SoulfishHawk
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I'm amazed at how spoiled this fan base has become. How quickly they forget the numerous years of mediocre play.
SoulfishHawk":l75gcn21 said:I'm amazed at how spoiled this fan base has become. How quickly they forget the numerous years of mediocre play.
SoulfishHawk":102czutq said:I'm amazed at how spoiled this fan base has become. How quickly they forget the numerous years of mediocre play.
SoulfishHawk":1rvbge0y said:I'm amazed at how spoiled this fan base has become. How quickly they forget the numerous years of mediocre play.
Joshoeuh":3dqnr1i4 said:SoulfishHawk":3dqnr1i4 said:I'm amazed at how spoiled this fan base has become. How quickly they forget the numerous years of mediocre play.
I think most remember, and don’t want it to happen again.
It amazes me that we aren’t allowed to question anything, apparently.
Uncle Si":1uhg8p70 said:This league is about winning, winning immediately. PC did that. If his approach isn't sustainable its hypocritical to ask him to change when it works. What he needed to do was change the players. What do you think Belichek's approach will be when Brady leaves?
Sgt. Largent":30khmmcg said:Uncle Si":30khmmcg said:This league is about winning, winning immediately. PC did that. If his approach isn't sustainable its hypocritical to ask him to change when it works. What he needed to do was change the players. What do you think Belichek's approach will be when Brady leaves?
I think he leaves too, or maybe sooner if the Pats start to unravel a little this year.
But that's my point, I think Pete and John learned through the last couple of years that it's impossible to keep a core group of players around with Pete's coaching style.
You either have to be 100% cutthroat like Belichick, or turn the roster over and over drafting and acquiring new moldable players that will buy into what Pete's preaching.
Seymour":di6byt06 said:Me thinks that some here confuse people that are unhappy with an outstanding roster that under performed, and being spoiled.
Uncle Si":1cufbfe6 said:Seymour":1cufbfe6 said:Me thinks that some here confuse people that are unhappy with an outstanding roster that under performed, and being spoiled.
thank goodness we have people on here willing to point all this out
Sgt. Largent":loclwzov said:Uncle Si":loclwzov said:This league is about winning, winning immediately. PC did that. If his approach isn't sustainable its hypocritical to ask him to change when it works. What he needed to do was change the players. What do you think Belichek's approach will be when Brady leaves?
I think he leaves too, or maybe sooner if the Pats start to unravel a little this year.
But that's my point, I think Pete and John learned through the last couple of years that it's impossible to keep a core group of players around with Pete's coaching style.
You either have to be 100% cutthroat like Belichick, or turn the roster over and over drafting and acquiring new moldable players that will buy into what Pete's preaching.
mrt144":1amtslde said:Sgt. Largent":1amtslde said:Uncle Si":1amtslde said:This league is about winning, winning immediately. PC did that. If his approach isn't sustainable its hypocritical to ask him to change when it works. What he needed to do was change the players. What do you think Belichek's approach will be when Brady leaves?
I think he leaves too, or maybe sooner if the Pats start to unravel a little this year.
But that's my point, I think Pete and John learned through the last couple of years that it's impossible to keep a core group of players around with Pete's coaching style.
You either have to be 100% cutthroat like Belichick, or turn the roster over and over drafting and acquiring new moldable players that will buy into what Pete's preaching.
Perhaps Pete's relative experience with the NFL shaded his impression of what he could accomplish long term - whereas the NCAA put in structural limits to player tenure, in the NFL it comes down to a value judgment from the coaching/FO apparatus. Perhaps Pete wanted to have it all for as long as he could with the players he knew were performers, even if there were diminishing returns on buy in by those same players over time.
hawknation2018":1x2jb1on said:Fade":1x2jb1on said:I would love to see Pete removed from the offensive side of the ball.
The offensive side of the ball is already the area where Carroll has asserted the least influence. All he wants is for the offense to be good at both running and throwing the ball. Unfortunately, the previous offensive coordinator just wasn't any good. The one thing I will say about Schottenheimer is that his style of play is a lot more physical, much less finesse than the previous regime.