Oh no, one of your star players left and won a championship somewhere else. That's so much worse than having your team stolen and becoming a conference powerhouse while every other fan in the league taunts you about it every single year.
Uncle Si":1b5vxs4a said:KD... what a player.
Lebron too. Gets a lot of shit for not being MJ. I watched the MJ era and he's still the best for me. But Lebron is right there.
Love this rivalry.
austinslater25":dxt6l8u9 said:Grew up idolizing Jordan but to me LeBron is the just the better all around player and who I would call the greatest of all time. People get romanticized by Jordan because we grew up with him but I still give a slight nod to James. Regardless its a fun debate and just glad I got a chance to watch both.
You forget there was Magic who played all 5 and did all well in his prime.Sgt. Largent":3qk9qifr said:austinslater25":3qk9qifr said:Grew up idolizing Jordan but to me LeBron is the just the better all around player and who I would call the greatest of all time. People get romanticized by Jordan because we grew up with him but I still give a slight nod to James. Regardless its a fun debate and just glad I got a chance to watch both.
I agree.
If you're comparing the two players in a vacuum, only one player revolutionized the sport, James. He can literally play all five positions on the floor, sometimes rotating from one position to the other in the same game.
Yes Jordan won six rings, but he also had a far superior coach and supporting cast. Can't hold that against Lebron.
Sgt. Largent":1ua4fddo said:austinslater25":1ua4fddo said:Grew up idolizing Jordan but to me LeBron is the just the better all around player and who I would call the greatest of all time. People get romanticized by Jordan because we grew up with him but I still give a slight nod to James. Regardless its a fun debate and just glad I got a chance to watch both.
I agree.
If you're comparing the two players in a vacuum, only one player revolutionized the sport, James. He can literally play all five positions on the floor, sometimes rotating from one position to the other in the same game.
Yes Jordan won six rings, but he also had a far superior coach and supporting cast. Can't hold that against Lebron.
austinslater25":b3zbocmj said:I will say I think Lebron would of destroyed that era. He's bigger then most big men outside of the centers of that era. He's literally bigger than Barkley was and can do it while playing like a point guard. He would of been unstoppable in that era regardless of how hard they played because he is just so much bigger, faster and stronger then the biggest players of that era.
IndyHawk":254osxfv said:You forget there was Magic who played all 5 and did all well in his prime.Sgt. Largent":254osxfv said:austinslater25":254osxfv said:Grew up idolizing Jordan but to me LeBron is the just the better all around player and who I would call the greatest of all time. People get romanticized by Jordan because we grew up with him but I still give a slight nod to James. Regardless its a fun debate and just glad I got a chance to watch both.
I agree.
If you're comparing the two players in a vacuum, only one player revolutionized the sport, James. He can literally play all five positions on the floor, sometimes rotating from one position to the other in the same game.
Yes Jordan won six rings, but he also had a far superior coach and supporting cast. Can't hold that against Lebron.
Lebron is great in his era which is not MJ's era or Magic's and that is obvious.
The game these days with the soft D and 3 point shootouts is just nothing to me.
You say MJ had a far superior coach/cast?He would have won with Doug Collins.
The cast he had for the first Three Peat and second is Pippen The others were not the same players.
You look at the Cavs/GS they have 3 superstars so I don't see how you can use that.
The one fact you will find is Jordan/Pippen were named on the all defensive team multiple times.
I watched most of the Bulls games for the last 10 years of MJ's time.
There is nobody that I have seen that comes close to him when it came to winning.
He had the ability to channel his will on others on the team to win.
No matter who they try to replace him with.
You will never see the likes of him again.
Sgt. Largent":3b6gvmsc said:Listen, this is a fun debate, and it's VERY close for me. Jordan is THE MAN, but if you forced me to choose GOAT? I'm going with Lebron, because he's the most well rounded versatile player in the history of the sport. He can do everything.
Uncle Si":1foq3r9j said:Sgt. Largent":1foq3r9j said:Listen, this is a fun debate, and it's VERY close for me. Jordan is THE MAN, but if you forced me to choose GOAT? I'm going with Lebron, because he's the most well rounded versatile player in the history of the sport. He can do everything.
Except defend and then have to play offense.
I love Lebron. We exaggerate his abilities because it's so damn easy in this iteration of the NBA.
Sgt. Largent":3l1oo9g5 said:Uncle Si":3l1oo9g5 said:Sgt. Largent":3l1oo9g5 said:Listen, this is a fun debate, and it's VERY close for me. Jordan is THE MAN, but if you forced me to choose GOAT? I'm going with Lebron, because he's the most well rounded versatile player in the history of the sport. He can do everything.
Except defend and then have to play offense.
I love Lebron. We exaggerate his abilities because it's so damn easy in this iteration of the NBA.
Up until 2014 Lebron made 5 straight 1st team all defense.
We can debate intangibles like is Lebron clutch like MJ, is he a good team leader, does he make players better around him, etc. Those are real conversations when comparing him to MJ. But saying he's not a good defender is flat out incorrect, he's one of the best in the league.
Uncle Si":1e6ju8hj said:Sgt. Largent":1e6ju8hj said:Uncle Si":1e6ju8hj said:Sgt. Largent":1e6ju8hj said:Listen, this is a fun debate, and it's VERY close for me. Jordan is THE MAN, but if you forced me to choose GOAT? I'm going with Lebron, because he's the most well rounded versatile player in the history of the sport. He can do everything.
Except defend and then have to play offense.
I love Lebron. We exaggerate his abilities because it's so damn easy in this iteration of the NBA.
Up until 2014 Lebron made 5 straight 1st team all defense.
We can debate intangibles like is Lebron clutch like MJ, is he a good team leader, does he make players better around him, etc. Those are real conversations when comparing him to MJ. But saying he's not a good defender is flat out incorrect, he's one of the best in the league.
So, clutch is an intangible we can debate, but being a good (best?) defender in a league where the standard of defense is far less is not? I mean going on facts alone you could poke a number of holes in that. However, intangibly speaking, being on a first team defense with the likes of Serge Ibaka, Marc Gasol, and Tyson Chandler should be subjected to alot of debate about its merit in contrast to Dennis Rodman, Gary Payton and David Robinson.
Again, Lebron is fantastic. I don't think he reaches the same status he has now playing in the Jordan era.