Norwood's injury (now being reported as a bone spur)

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ZagHawk":20m7sdzx said:
Pandion Haliaetus":20m7sdzx said:
Seems to me we won the Superbowl with:

Harvin
Baldwin
Tate
Kearse
Walters
Lockette

5 of those WRs are still with the team.

Harvin taking Tate's reps is an upgrade in my book.


I agree, IF Harvin can stay on the field. With Tate every time he took a big hit, I wasn't too worried about him not getting up. With Harvin...well was the SB the only game he played that he didn't leave injured? that's 1/3.

True but for the most part Harvin is a warrior the guy can take hits, it just unfortuante that the Saints were obviously head hunting and he was far from in season form.

As I proved in earlier discussions, Tate and Havin have played in virtually the same amount of games but Harvin as twice the amount of touches with twice the amount of production.

503 touches to Tate's 250. And with those 253 more touches comes with more opportunity to get hit and injured, not to mention Harvin usually as a gang of guys covering him. The only significant injury Harvin has suffered on the field of play during a game was a sprained ankle via Browner and the Seahawks in 2012. His migraines don't count as physically induced and his hip ailment pre-existed since college.

For what Harvin has done in this league, and the things the Vikings asked him to do in their offense, the guy has been a tank and he's stronger and more durable than people want to give him credit for.
 

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Anyone wonder why Norwood was used sparingly at Alabama?

The productivity of these kids out of Alabama has been rather limited.

I can not help but question if there is something to be reviewed and learned there.
 

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Pandion Haliaetus":4439kr4w said:
ZagHawk":4439kr4w said:
Pandion Haliaetus":4439kr4w said:
Seems to me we won the Superbowl with:

Harvin
Baldwin
Tate
Kearse
Walters
Lockette

5 of those WRs are still with the team.

Harvin taking Tate's reps is an upgrade in my book.


I agree, IF Harvin can stay on the field. With Tate every time he took a big hit, I wasn't too worried about him not getting up. With Harvin...well was the SB the only game he played that he didn't leave injured? that's 1/3.

True but for the most part Harvin is a warrior the guy can take hits, it just unfortuante that the Saints were obviously head hunting and he was far from in season form.

As I proved in earlier discussions, Tate and Havin have played in virtually the same amount of games but Harvin as twice the amount of touches with twice the amount of production.

503 touches to Tate's 250. And with those 253 more touches comes with more opportunity to get hit and injured, not to mention Harvin usually as a gang of guys covering him. The only significant injury Harvin has suffered on the field of play during a game was a sprained ankle via Browner and the Seahawks in 2012. His migraines don't count as physically induced and his hip ailment pre-existed since college.

For what Harvin has done in this league, and the things the Vikings asked him to do in their offense, the guy has been a tank and he's stronger and more durable than people want to give him credit for.

I agree 100%. I live in Michigan, and have watched Harvin tear up the NFC North. I have always felt he was tough as nails for what the Vikings were asking him to do. I am not worried at all about Harvin this season.
 

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Smelly McUgly":32raydyb said:
Man, I thought that of our two rookie WRs, Norwood was most ready to contribute right now. I sure hope the news about his injury is better than it sounds.

Agreed. I thought he was going to be our 3rd down specialist, red zone improvment, bailing Wilson out of trouble option this year.
 

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Dang when you guys said Norwood would replace Rice I thought you meant on the field not the IR! What already injured guys are we going to pick up next?
 

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This is a bummer but we'd likely have to cut either Bates or Lockette for Norwood to make the 53-man roster since I highly doubt he'd clear waivers to stay on the practice squad.
 

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Hopefully Norwood doesn't hit IR, our 6th WR is usually an inactive so the team can stash him for a while if they feel they need to, though obviously you hate to lose all those preseason reps as a rookie.

The following is not meant as an "I told you so." I was surprised when Seattle let Tate walk for $6 million per. Among the many reasons he provided value, he missed just one game the past 3 seasons. Teams are trying to be fake tough guys against our offense, which means more dirty hits and more WR injuries. Playing against the LOB in practices in scrimmages probably takes a toll as well. Having a proven durable WR in our system has a lot of value. I hope this is something the FO properly considers when evaluating WRs going forward.
 

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seahawk12thman":3svmmjga said:
Unfortunately I saw this coming :(
You didn't 'see it coming.' Hearing about an ailment, assuming the worst, then having that come true doesn't make one a psychic. [emoji19]
 

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Jville":28otl0kp said:
Anyone wonder why Norwood was used sparingly at Alabama?

The productivity of these kids out of Alabama has been rather limited.

I can not help but question if there is something to be reviewed and learned there.
He was not 'used sparingly.' He was used according to plan, as Alabama is a run first offense similar to ours.
 

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Blitzer88":1nw6lrud said:
Well......this sucks.

It'll be okay, bud.
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HawKnPeppa":jfkr6ga1 said:
seahawk12thman":jfkr6ga1 said:
Unfortunately I saw this coming :(
You didn't 'see it coming.' Hearing about an ailment, assuming the worst, then having that come true doesn't make one a psychic. [emoji19]
Jealous much? Lingering injuries that haven't healed since high school tend not to fully mend. This surgery was in his high school days and has never fully healed. I am sorry if you can't fully comprehend that.
 

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So you guys are basing all this gloom and doom based off what Clayton said? No offense but he's wrong A LOT. Clayton says Harvin should not do Kick-Off returns because he's too valuable for this offense. He seems to ignore that Harvin's biggest offensive potential per play is on Kick Offs (just look at 2 he did for us last season). And Harvin is much more likely to get injured as a reciever because guys can give him concussions with minimal effort when he's going up for a ball, GOOD LUCK GETTING A CLEAN INJURY INFLICTING HIT ON HARVIN WHEN HE'S RUNNING IN OPEN FIELD FOR A KICK OFF RETURN... Harvin's injury weakness is when he puts eyes on the ball to make a catch... NOT WHEN HE'S RUNNING in open field.

The exception to this rule is when Earl Thomas snipes Harvin's knee cap (using his helmet as battering ram), with Bobby Wagner applying the additional force to Harvin's momentum. That must be awkward for Harvin when you got turned into an Icecream Sandwhich week 9 in 2012, got your ankle ligaments discombobulated by the Seahawks D and missed 1 1/2 seasons....

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...2000000106278/Percy-Harvin-out-for-the-season

Clayton has no inside connections with the team, his analysis is 100% based on quotes obtained from other sources than himself, his predictions are as good as a typical hardcore Seahawks fan.

Can someone link this quote where he says Norwood could be out the whole season?

I don't believe this for one second, Norwood just has a sore foot big F'N deal. Why waste his talents in the pre-season when he could rest and start against Green Bay week 1.

I really am not getting the impression that Norwood is seriously injured AT ALL, if someone has some sources and links which support this theory please link them. Right now you sound like a bunch of negative Nancys freaking out about speculation guess jokes.

I'm much more concerned about our O-Line and Harvin staying healthy. If Norwood is really significantly injured already this pick was a total bust and would explain why nobody else picked him up given how good he looks on the field.

I still think he's ok probably just a little swelling and sore, there's no reason to force him to play next practice.
 

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Seahwkgal":fpgw7awl said:
I agree 100%. I live in Michigan, and have watched Harvin tear up the NFC North. I have always felt he was tough as nails for what the Vikings were asking him to do. I am not worried at all about Harvin this season.

Umm anyone who's not worried about Harvin is nuts. He will get concussion with any legit hit. He also has a permanently damaged hip, one bad hit and he's out all season again.

I would probably put money on Norwood playing more games than Harvin this season based on the current evidence and history. If we hear in the next few days that Norwood is already out for the season, obviously I'd be wrong but I don't think that's the case.
 

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Tokadub":1pmu438i said:
Seahwkgal":1pmu438i said:
I agree 100%. I live in Michigan, and have watched Harvin tear up the NFC North. I have always felt he was tough as nails for what the Vikings were asking him to do. I am not worried at all about Harvin this season.

Umm anyone who's not worried about Harvin is nuts. He will get concussion with any legit hit. He also has a permanently damaged hip, one bad hit and he's out all season again.

I would probably put money on Norwood playing more games than Harvin this season based on the current evidence and history. If we hear in the next few days that Norwood is already out for the season, obviously I'd be wrong but I don't think that's the case.
Name your price.
 

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seadoc30":1zojqj3g said:
Pete need a to reduce the tempo of practices a bit imo.
I thought that too, but then again, if you go half-assed in practice, then you risk undermining the conditioning of your players when the games go frenzy.
If I remember right, it's the players that dabble at intensity, and not go full bore, are usually the ones that wind up getting hurt, plus, most of these newbies want to stretch their limits, and prove that they can fill in without much of a drop off should there be an injury....Like Sherman, like Thurmond, like Maxwell Etc.
 

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Tical21":oixlafol said:
Name your price.

If Norwood starts week 1 vs Green Bay I'd bet 50 dollars that he plays more games than Harvin (including post season). If they play same amount of games nobody pays up.

I know 50 dollars is a weak bet but I'd feel confident to win this if Norwood starts week 1. Not willing to put money on the line until he's cleared to play this season, but I'd put pretty much EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON OUR TEAM ABOVE HARVIN IN LIKELY GAMES PLAYED (due to injuries not depth charts).
 

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Tokadub":1i7gvkjh said:
Seahwkgal":1i7gvkjh said:
I agree 100%. I live in Michigan, and have watched Harvin tear up the NFC North. I have always felt he was tough as nails for what the Vikings were asking him to do. I am not worried at all about Harvin this season.

Umm anyone who's not worried about Harvin is nuts. He will get concussion with any legit hit. He also has a permanently damaged hip, one bad hit and he's out all season again.

I would probably put money on Norwood playing more games than Harvin this season based on the current evidence and history. If we hear in the next few days that Norwood is already out for the season, obviously I'd be wrong but I don't think that's the case.

You're just blinded by Tate:

I'll just repost this for everyone's amusement...

Long, Winded Post: Replacing Golden Tate

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91750

Specifically This,

But then the counter argument becomes: How can the Seahawks depend on Percy Harvin, the glass WR, when Tate has been so durable?

Well, counter counter argument, the surface is shallow, dig deeper for better resul.

Can Percy Harvin really be considered injury prone?

1. Sure he has an injury history in college but..
2. He was relatively healthy in his 4 seasons missing only 3 games to Migraine issues until...
3. Week 9 of 2012 where he tore a ligament in his ankle against a very, physical Seahawks D. His injury was a 4-6 week recovery that in the worst would have returned in the last game but the Vikings decided to shut him down. It marked the first and only time Percy Harvin would miss a game(s) due to an injury he sustained on the field.
4. Then his hip surgery of last year that took him out of 17 of the possible 19 games played. But after coming across this USAToday article:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...31/percy-harvin-seahawks-hip-surgery/2605795/

I felt much better knowing that this was probably a pre-existing ailment and that the Seahawks knew the risks involved.

Harvin hadn't appeared on an injury report with a hip issue since Weeks 2 and 3 of the 2010 season. But every NFL team that examined Harvin at the 2009 scouting combine knew he had impingement and tightness in both hips as well as weak abductor muscles, two people with knowledge of those examinations told USA TODAY Sports. The people spoke on condition of anonymity since the results were not released.

A study published in January — co-authored by Vikings team physician Christopher Larson, Tennessee Titans team physician Thomas Byrd and hip specialist Bryan Kelly —suggests there is at least a 40% chance a player with those risk factors will eventually require hip surgery or other treatment for degenerative conditions.

Another player from the 2009 draft, Buffalo Bills safety Jairus Byrd, showed similar signs on X-rays at the combine and ended up missing the end of his rookie season to have surgery for a labral tear — the same type of injury Kelly is to fix for Harvin today in New York
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So I looked up Jairus Byrd, a safety, a player who players a more viotile position, and possibly a player who has to use his hips a lot more because of coverage than a WR might. Byrd, after having surgery in January returned for 2010 season and was available for all of the next 48 games while starting 45 of them. It wasn't until last year he missed 5 games because of Platar Faciaitis not a hip injury.

Which leads me to believe that Percy Harvin can finally put this hip thing behind him and without that, he's not as injury proned as many people like to say he is. And thus bring us to the 2nd part of this argument:

Is Golden Tate really as durable as many would like to believe or even just compared to Harvin?

I'll let you decide for your self:

Percy Harvin
55 Games, 43 Starts
281 Catches, 3319 Yards, 20 TDs
107 Rushes, 683 Yards, 4 TDs
115 Returns, 3241 Yards, 5 TDs

For A Total Of:
503 Touches, 7243 Yards, 29 TDs

Golden Tate
58 Games, 33 Starts
165 Catches, 2195 Yards, 15 TDs
13 Rushes, 39 Yards
72 Returns, 854 Yards

For A Total Of:
250 Touches, 3118 Yards, 15 TDs

Its no argument that Tate's been very durable missing what only 1 game in his career? But Harvin's missed time gave them a comparable of amount of games played Tate's 58 to Harvin's 55. But would Tate be able maintain said durability if he had as many touches as Harvin had in 3 less games. We are talking a big difference, Harvin has had twice amount of touches (503) than Tate has (250). And I'm willing to bet Harvin has seen even more targets than Tate has. So, Harvin has been putting his body out there much much more than Tate has...

Use that information however you'd like but I have a feeling many of you will continue to bash Harvin's health, nonetheless. Which is fine, its your opinion..I'll just conclude this part since we have the Tate/Harvin argument going on is that Harvin is not only a more explosive and agile version of Tate, he's also bigger (in ways), faster, and stronger.

GT: 5'10, 198, 4.42s Forty, 35.0 inch Vertical, 30 1/2 in Arm Length, 9 1/4 Hands, 17 reps
PH: 5'11, 192, 4.39s Forty, 37.5 inch Vertical, 31 5/8 in Arm Length, 9 3/8 Hands, 20 reps

From GT to PH you're looking at almost a +4 inches in total reach, so Percy Harvin is capable of being as much of a jump ball WR Golden was, however, since Percy Harvin can gain consistent seperation the jump ball skill isn't as important to Harvin as it is with Tate.

Harvin can also be a capable down-field blocker, while possibly not as punishing as Tate, still as effective considering more often than not, teams will shade an extra defender on Harvin
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Harvin is going to be a stud, he'll likely be the healthiest he's been in years rejuvenated by playing 3 games in a 20 month span, and he'll be better than Tate.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 

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Tokadub":36bijmev said:
Tical21":36bijmev said:
Name your price.

If Norwood starts week 1 vs Green Bay I'd bet 50 dollars that he plays more games than Harvin (including post season). If they play same amount of games nobody pays up.

I know 50 dollars is a weak bet but I'd feel confident to win this if Norwood starts week 1. Not willing to put money on the line until he's cleared to play this season, but I'd put pretty much EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON OUR TEAM ABOVE HARVIN IN LIKELY GAMES PLAYED (due to injuries not depth charts).

How about this?

Tical gets $5 for every game Harvin starts.

Tokadub gets $5 for every game Harvin doesn't start.

+$20 dollars for Norwood starting more games than Harvin.

+$20 dollars fo Harvin starting more games than Norwood.
 

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Pandion Haliaetus":fnmo1zdv said:
How about this?

Tical gets $5 for every game Harvin starts.

Tokadub gets $5 for every game Harvin doesn't start.

+$20 dollars for Norwood starting more games than Harvin.

+$20 dollars fo Harvin starting more games than Norwood.

That's a horrible bet for me. Even if Norwood starts more games than Harvin.

There is $95 on the line for Harvin starting (5 x 19 = 95) this is assuming we get back to Super Bowl.

If Harvin starts at least 12 games out of 19 (19 games assuming we reach Super Bowl), Harvin could play just a pathetic 63.16% of our games and you would still win the bet even if Norwood starts every game...

12 (games Harvin plays) x $5 = $60 for you

7 (games Harvin misses) x $5 = $35 + $20 (Norwood starts more games) = $50 for me

So basically you are saying Harvin could miss 7 games and you'd still win the bet. 7 Games REALLY? That's pretty horrendous, worst than any of our O-Line starters last season if I'm not mistaken, or at least pretty dang close.

The bet I would go for is simply Norwood plays in more games than Harvin, not that Harvin can miss a ton of games and you still win :)

EDIT: OK maybe Okung and Giacomini missed even more than 7 games (they both missed more than 7 if the stats I saw included the playoffs, who knows)... they are pathetic too. I don't care how pathetic our O-Line is Harvin should be able to play more than 63% of our games.
 
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