Norwood's injury (now being reported as a bone spur)

[themunn]

Seems to me we won the Superbowl with:

Harvin
Baldwin
Tate
Kearse
Walters
Lockette

5 of those WRs are still with the team.

Harvin taking Tate's reps is an upgrade in my book.

Rice was on the team and contributed If your going to make a post like this at least be accurate .

That's not what people were saying last year, I mean he was the team's 7th leading receiver with Tate, Baldwin, Kearse, Lynch, Miller and Willson ahead of him. I'm sure his 231 yards and 3 TDs (of which 79 yards and 2 TDs came against Jacksonville) should be replaced by one of the other players on the team

 

[Tokadub]

You're just blinded by Tate:

I'll just repost this for everyone's amusement...

Long, Winded Post: Replacing Golden Tate

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91750

Specifically This,

But then the counter argument becomes: How can the Seahawks depend on Percy Harvin, the glass WR, when Tate has been so durable?

Well, counter counter argument, the surface is shallow, dig deeper for better resul.

Can Percy Harvin really be considered injury prone?

1. Sure he has an injury history in college but..
2. He was relatively healthy in his 4 seasons missing only 3 games to Migraine issues until...
3. Week 9 of 2012 where he tore a ligament in his ankle against a very, physical Seahawks D. His injury was a 4-6 week recovery that in the worst would have returned in the last game but the Vikings decided to shut him down. It marked the first and only time Percy Harvin would miss a game(s) due to an injury he sustained on the field.
4. Then his hip surgery of last year that took him out of 17 of the possible 19 games played. But after coming across this USAToday article:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...31/percy-harvin-seahawks-hip-surgery/2605795/

I felt much better knowing that this was probably a pre-existing ailment and that the Seahawks knew the risks involved.

Which leads me to believe that Percy Harvin can finally put this hip thing behind him and without that, he's not as injury proned as many people like to say he is. And thus bring us to the 2nd part of this argument:

Is Golden Tate really as durable as many would like to believe or even just compared to Harvin?

I'll let you decide for your self:

Percy Harvin
55 Games, 43 Starts
281 Catches, 3319 Yards, 20 TDs
107 Rushes, 683 Yards, 4 TDs
115 Returns, 3241 Yards, 5 TDs

For A Total Of:
503 Touches, 7243 Yards, 29 TDs

Golden Tate
58 Games, 33 Starts
165 Catches, 2195 Yards, 15 TDs
13 Rushes, 39 Yards
72 Returns, 854 Yards

For A Total Of:
250 Touches, 3118 Yards, 15 TDs

Its no argument that Tate's been very durable missing what only 1 game in his career? But Harvin's missed time gave them a comparable of amount of games played Tate's 58 to Harvin's 55. But would Tate be able maintain said durability if he had as many touches as Harvin had in 3 less games. We are talking a big difference, Harvin has had twice amount of touches (503) than Tate has (250). And I'm willing to bet Harvin has seen even more targets than Tate has. So, Harvin has been putting his body out there much much more than Tate has...

Use that information however you'd like but I have a feeling many of you will continue to bash Harvin's health, nonetheless. Which is fine, its your opinion..I'll just conclude this part since we have the Tate/Harvin argument going on is that Harvin is not only a more explosive and agile version of Tate, he's also bigger (in ways), faster, and stronger.

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Harvin is going to be a stud, he'll likely be the healthiest he's been in years rejuvenated by playing 3 games in a 20 month span, and he'll be better than Tate.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

You are just totally obsessed with hypothetical statistics. You think just because Harvin had the ball in his hands more than Tate thus far in their careers that is a reasonable explanation why Harvin get's rocked like a porcelein baby doll and misses pretty much entire seasons.

Tate on the other hand rarely gets hurt and when he does he continues to play, Harvin sits out entire months at a time.

It is absolutely INSANE for you to suggest that Harvin is more durable than Tate. Harvin will continue to miss tons of games for the rest of his career, pretty sure Tate is about as healthy a wide receiver you will find for his entire career, but that's yet to be seen.

And this post has NOTHING TO DO WITH TATE... so I'm not sure why you're even bringing that up? This has everything to do with Harvin being a baby glass miniature porcelein doll doused in liquid nitrogen and then thrown through a nuclear explosion onto titanium alloy at over 4,000 MPH.

And quit assuming I'm hating on Harvin because of Tate this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I did save my forum post proving that you are very contradictory and change your opinion all the time and make wild statements 1 week and then a few weeks later flip 180 degrees and bash people. You were a huge Tate supporter Pandion, why you trying to make this about ME liking Tate???

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68515&p=940726#p940726

As long as Tate and Harvin stay healthy, you really don't have any need for Baldwin, both Tate and Harvin can switch off in the split-end and slot roles, IF Baldwin sticks he will most likely be reduced 1-2 targets a game for 15-20 catches a year.

At least Williams has the value of backing up Rice, as well as, making him expendable in 2014. I have nothing against Baldwin, he just offers little in versatility as well as future value. However, while I would like the Seahawks to keep him, I just think he'll be the odd man out if they only keep 5 WRs.

Honestly, I hate to say it but looking at our current list of WRs, it wouldn't surprise me if DOUG BALDWIN is the odd-man out of the group.

I feel like the locks are Rice, Tate, Harvin, and Harper.

So that will leave the only question left, do the Seahawks carry 5 or 6 WRs. If its 5, then most likely Baldwin and Stephen Williams will battle for that last spot.

Baldwin's case is that he was magical as an undrafted F/A in 2011, but does he offer any other value than a glorified slot WR? Seahawks chugged along last season while he was injured, and being a run-heavy offense the slot position was a slightly undervalued and diminished role in our Offense. Wilson didn’t use Baldwin

And what makes matter worse for Baldwin’s case is the Seahawks heavily invested in Percy Harvin, who will mostly line-up at Split-End and Slot in 3 WRs sets. There is no doubt Harvin is the better of the two.

Then lets talk about Golden Tate, the guy has legitimate talent, he can score Touchdowns, which is one of Baldwin’s strength as well, but Tate offers three things Baldwin doesn’t excel in as much compared to our other diminutive WRs… Yards After Catch, Yards after Contact, and great Special Team value as Returners. Both Tate and Harvin with the ball in their hands can consistently make people miss or run through tackles something the Seahawks value in their offense. While Harvin is more dynamic than Tate, they are practically interchangeable. Baldwin doesn't offer those skills or thier versatility as much in comparison.

We'll see... but I think in the end in terms of keeping 5 WRs... Stephen Williams is more valuable that Doug Baldwin. Chris Harper is more valuable than Doug Baldwin.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

How about this?

Tical gets $5 for every game Harvin starts.

Tokadub gets $5 for every game Harvin doesn't start.

+$20 dollars for Norwood starting more games than Harvin.

+$20 dollars fo Harvin starting more games than Norwood.

That's a horrible bet for me. Even if Norwood starts more games than Harvin.

There is $95 on the line for Harvin starting (5 x 19 = 95) this is assuming we get back to Super Bowl.

If Harvin starts at least 12 games out of 19 (19 games assuming we reach Super Bowl), Harvin could play just a pathetic 63.16% of our games and you would still win the bet even if Norwood starts every game...

12 (games Harvin plays) x $5 = $60 for you

7 (games Harvin misses) x $5 = $35 + $20 (Norwood starts more games) = $50 for me

So basically you are saying Harvin could miss 7 games and you'd still win the bet. 7 Games REALLY? That's pretty horrendous, worst than any of our O-Line starters last season if I'm not mistaken, or at least pretty dang close.

The bet I would go for is simply Norwood plays in more games than Harvin, not that Harvin can miss a ton of games and you still win

EDIT: OK maybe Okung and Giacomini missed even more than 7 games (they both missed more than 7 if the stats I saw included the playoffs, who knows)... they are pathetic too. I don't care how pathetic our O-Line is Harvin should be able to play more than 63% of our games.

Yeah but what do you really have to lose?

Harvin is going to get injured the moment he steps out on the field, right?

At most you're looking at a $110 payout.

And youre whole bet is premised on Norwood actually making the team, actually being in a position to start. Right? Which right now seems rather low.

Or how bout this forget Norwood.

If Harvin starts less 8 games you'd get the $50. If its 4 or less games, you get $100.

If Harvin starts more than 10 games, Tical gets $50, if its 16 games he gets $100.

Seems fair enough.

 

[Snakeeyes007]

Dang when you guys said Norwood would replace Rice I thought you meant on the field not the IR! What already injured guys are we going to pick up next?

That gave me a nice chuckle on an otherwise gloomy report. Thanks. :th2thumbs:

 

[Basis4day]

Why do people still respond to Tokadub's posts as if they're serious?

 

[Hasselbeck]

The only way Norwood starts a game this year is if we morph back into the 2008 Seahawks where we were so desperate for WR's that we brought Koren Robinson back.

Norwood being on IR would be unfortunate but far from an injury that makes or breaks our season.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Unfortunately I saw this coming

You didn't 'see it coming.' Hearing about an ailment, assuming the worst, then having that come true doesn't make one a psychic. [emoji19]

Jealous much? Lingering injuries that haven't healed since high school tend not to fully mend. This surgery was in his high school days and has never fully healed. I am sorry if you can't fully comprehend that.

'Jealous' of doom and gloom predictions? Do you get out much?

 

[seahawk12thman]

Unfortunately I saw this coming

You didn't 'see it coming.' Hearing about an ailment, assuming the worst, then having that come true doesn't make one a psychic. [emoji19]

Jealous much? Lingering injuries that haven't healed since high school tend not to fully mend. This surgery was in his high school days and has never fully healed. I am sorry if you can't fully comprehend that.

'Jealous' of doom and gloom predictions? Do you get out much?

Not all predictions are necessarily positive. Are you nothing more than a critic or do you want to add content to the discussion?

 

[Tical21]

I agree 100%. I live in Michigan, and have watched Harvin tear up the NFC North. I have always felt he was tough as nails for what the Vikings were asking him to do. I am not worried at all about Harvin this season.

I would probably put money on Norwood playing more games than Harvin this season based on the current evidence and history.

From your reply, I'll take it to mean that you in fact would not put money on Norwood playing more games than Harvin this season based on the current evidence and history.

 

[sc85sis]

You want to know what happens when you don't practice at high tempo and hold off tackling because of injury fears?

USC 2012

 

[entropyrulesall]

I saw Norwood at Mondays practice. I first noticed him because he was limping noticibly with his foot and lower leg wrapped in black tight wrapping. He was catching a few passes from the QBs in warm-ups. No routes, just standing in the flats and catching slants and outs But even moving towards the ball a few feet caused him trouble and he could barely jog back in place without stopping for a moment. That was the extent of his participation. He can't plant and drive forward at this point without pain. My impression was that unless he heals quickly before the first cutdown, I think he's going on IR.

 

[KitsapGuy]

Stephen Cohen ‏@scohenPI 3m
WR Kevin Norwood had a bone spur removed from his foot yesterday. Could be back by end of camp. #Seahawks

 

[Shadowhawk]

Stephen Cohen ‏@scohenPI 3m
WR Kevin Norwood had a bone spur removed from his foot yesterday. Could be back by end of camp. #Seahawks

Great news! (Though now I'm kinda wishing he had never practiced at all this camp so we could have PUP-ped him if needs be. Now it's final roster or IR, and as much as I like Norwood I doubt they'd use their one IR-Designated to Return slot on a 4th or 5th WR.)

 

[hawk45]

The worry needle is well above zero with Harvin I don't care what the explanations are/were for past injuries. It's like when people act like Okung isn't a worry.

Take Baldwin for example, he's had injuries in the past, but those genuinely seemed like he had them, they were over with, he's a rock for an entire season. Or Chancellor, he's had owies and had hip surgery this offseason, but if he missed significant time we'd all be genuinely surprised.

Okung, Harvin, they have their injuries, and when they get over one (hip in Harvin's case, high ankle sprain in Okung's case) the next one comes along (concussion for Harvin, being rag-dolled and tearing a pec for Okung or this torn toe ligament from last year). Nobody I repeat nobody is going to fall over in shock if they miss huge chunks.

Good players, but the injury history is what it is. "More durable than what they get credit for" is garbage.

Please don't interpret this as hating either player, both have talent that outweighs injury history by far.

 

[Basis4day]

Stephen Cohen ‏@scohenPI 3m
WR Kevin Norwood had a bone spur removed from his foot yesterday. Could be back by end of camp. #Seahawks

Great news! (Though now I'm kinda wishing he had never practiced at all this camp so we could have PUP-ped him if needs be. Now it's final roster or IR, and as much as I like Norwood I doubt they'd use their one IR-Designated to Return slot on a 4th or 5th WR.)

REALLY hope this is the case. Agree the PUP option would have been ideal if necessary had he not practiced.

 

[Basis4day]

All the beat writers are confirming this information.

Exhale.

 

[Casino Blitz]

That is good news a bone spur should be an easy recovery but we won't get to see him this preseason and that's a bummer.

 

[Jville]

That's great news!

 

[Blitzer88]

Good news right there. Excited to see what he can once he gets on the field again.

 

[Anthony!]

The worry needle is well above zero with Harvin I don't care what the explanations are/were for past injuries. It's like when people act like Okung isn't a worry.

Take Baldwin for example, he's had injuries in the past, but those genuinely seemed like he had them, they were over with, he's a rock for an entire season. Or Chancellor, he's had owies and had hip surgery this offseason, but if he missed significant time we'd all be genuinely surprised.

Okung, Harvin, they have their injuries, and when they get over one (hip in Harvin's case, high ankle sprain in Okung's case) the next one comes along (concussion for Harvin, being rag-dolled and tearing a pec for Okung or this torn toe ligament from last year). Nobody I repeat nobody is going to fall over in shock if they miss huge chunks.

Good players, but the injury history is what it is. "More durable than what they get credit for" is garbage.

Please don't interpret this as hating either player, both have talent that outweighs injury history by far.

Hard not to since I do not believe I have ever read anything you posted that was not some doom and gloom.