Passing Game now that Harvin is gone

[Seahaaaawks]

Dudes... I get that PH hasn't caught for many yards... And that Lynch averaged 6 YPC against Dallas... But Bevell is a retard and couldn't figure out how to utilize him. Lynch averaged 6 YPC because he had that huge gain. Other that that run, he was snuffed at the line. I'm bummed Percy is gone, but Sunday will show what we are made of. We need Baldwin, Kerse, our TE Willson, and the rookie Richardson all to show up. Rams have always played us tuff, and we will have to wait and see Sunday. Go Hawks. Btw Bevell, pull ur head out of your ass and LETS GO! D needs to step up on 3rd down as well! SEA-HAWWWWWWKS!

 

[James in PA]

Just give Bryan Walters the damn ball and everything will take care of itself.

 

[Hawknballs]

Ug. All the silver lining posts are great and all but here are some facts:

1. Richardson and Norwood haven't been sitting on the sideline in close games because they are so great we just didn't want to show our hand til we could find a buyer for percy.

2. Harvin's cap number didn't just cost us Tate; it cost us money we could have used on the D-line either keeping guys like Bryant and Clemons or taking a shot at guys like Ware who obviously has a little left in the tank.

3. Our offensive woes are because our O-line is bad and our play calling is bad. Not becuase Percy Harvin is bad at football.

4. If you buy the idea that we've been struggling offensively because harvin just isn't a good fit, then that speaks volumes for how much worse we can possibly be without him on the team.

5. if Harvin really is so awful of a teammate that the Seahawks are willing to part with him for what could be a 4th round pick after loading him up with cash and cap, it's a huge mark against everything we've believed about Carroll and Shneider and their ability to assess talent and character.


Maybe this was the best decision and in all likelihood I'm almost sure it was, but everyone trying to dress it up as not a huge deal, or thinks that we're somehow going to be offensively better, at least in the time it's going to take to get in good playoff position, without Harvin is crazy. Whatever kind of locker room cancer he is has nothing to do with his on-field ability when it comes to comparing your roster with and without him.

 

[chris98251]

Anthony Simmons situation again.

 

[Seahaaaawks]

Ug. All the silver lining posts are great and all but here are some facts:

1. Richardson and Norwood haven't been sitting on the sideline in close games because they are so great we just didn't want to show our hand til we could find a buyer for percy.

2. Harvin's cap number didn't just cost us Tate; it cost us money we could have used on the D-line either keeping guys like Bryant and Clemons or taking a shot at guys like Ware who obviously has a little left in the tank.

3. Our offensive woes are because our O-line is bad and our play calling is bad. Not becuase Percy Harvin is bad at football.

4. If you buy the idea that we've been struggling offensively because harvin just isn't a good fit, then that speaks volumes for how much worse we can possibly be without him on the team.

5. if Harvin really is so awful of a teammate that the Seahawks are willing to part with him for what could be a 4th round pick after loading him up with cash and cap, it's a huge mark against everything we've believed about Carroll and Shneider and their ability to assess talent and character.


Maybe this was the best decision and in all likelihood I'm almost sure it was, but everyone trying to dress it up as not a huge deal, or thinks that we're somehow going to be offensively better, at least in the time it's going to take to get in good playoff position, without Harvin is crazy. Whatever kind of locker room cancer he is has nothing to do with his on-field ability when it comes to comparing your roster with and without him.

^^This!!! And if PH was such a problem and we knew we wanted to get rid of him, why let Tate walk?

 

[Mick063]

Last summer......

"Oh my God. How stupid is Chip Kelley for releasing Desean Jackson? He doesn't have any receivers now."

Present times..........

"Eagles are looking like a real contender and that rookie Jordan Mathews can really play!"




Across the league, rookies like Sammy Watkins, Kelvin Benjamin, Brandon Cooks, etc. are showing up.

The Eagles 4-1 without Jackson regardless that McCoy is not having a stellar year. Still getting it done. Who would have thunk it?

Addition by subtraction. Put in the rooks.

 

[Mick063]

>>"Our passing game will become similar to last year, minus Tate, but will improve over what we have seen.

Our running game will become a real one without Harvin being force fed the ball when it wasn't even working anyway.

Overall we will see marked improvement all around and get back to what worked for this team."<<

Eight D in the box and single coverage for the second-raters [or gulp!, third-raters].

We will rank in the bottom 5 in pass offense.

Gonna be a tough year.

This is on Wilson. The top quarterbacks pray for single coverage. Wilson can't make a living waiting for players to come wide open. It just doesn't happen enough to sustain drives. It is why Arron Rogers throws the back shoulder fade to covered receivers. To sustain drives. Rogers has the gonads to pull the trigger and the confidence to fit it in the window. Rogers still gets his share of mini scrambles for the big play. He just doesn't do it on every passing down.

Wilson is the anti-Farve and Farve is a Hall of Famer. Wilson has got to pull the trigger when the receivers are singled up. It is a dis to them when he doesn't give them a chance to make a play. It is the difference between great Sydney Rice (Farve) and good Sydney Rice (Wilson). Rice didn't change. His quarterback did. If the receivers can't win the one on one matchups, then on to the next receivers. The time has come to expose them as either good enough or not good enough. We will never know if Wilson doesn't consistently pull the trigger.

Lockette made a 14 point swing against Denver by first playing defensive back and then grabbing a touchdown against Aqib Talib . Wilson gave him a chance and Lockette won the isolation matchup twice with both plays tightly contested. Russell has demonstrated he can have confidence in a receiver. Why can't he do it all of the time?

The thing is, I still very much want Wilson as the quarterback well into the future. I think his potential is off the charts. He is extremely cool under pressure. I'm a huge fan. I have his jersey. He just needs to grow a pair and stick the ball in there when the receiver is singled up.

 

[kmedic]

The Percy Harvin trade will improve our passing game not worsen it in my opinion. The Hawks get back to their identity on offense: run the ball and pass deep off of play action. The short passing game with Harvin was a great fit for Harvin but no one else: not the rest of our WRs, not our offensive linemen, and most importantly not our prized QB. Our coaching staff and player personnel were not built for the short passing game. Losing Harvin gets our players playing back to their strengths. I think this will make an immediate impact, starting this Sunday.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

And if PH was such a problem and we knew we wanted to get rid of him, why let Tate walk?

We let Tate walk before additional problems began surfacing this year. Maybe they weren't bad enough to think it would negatively affect the team to the point where getting rid of him in spite of his talent was the best route to take.

We can't just play time lord here and say "geez, we shouldn't have gotten rid of Tate last spring because we saw Harvin had some serious issues this fall."

 

[DJrmb]

Ug. All the silver lining posts are great and all but here are some facts:

1. Richardson and Norwood haven't been sitting on the sideline in close games because they are so great we just didn't want to show our hand til we could find a buyer for percy.

2. Harvin's cap number didn't just cost us Tate; it cost us money we could have used on the D-line either keeping guys like Bryant and Clemons or taking a shot at guys like Ware who obviously has a little left in the tank.

3. Our offensive woes are because our O-line is bad and our play calling is bad. Not becuase Percy Harvin is bad at football.

4. If you buy the idea that we've been struggling offensively because harvin just isn't a good fit, then that speaks volumes for how much worse we can possibly be without him on the team.

5. if Harvin really is so awful of a teammate that the Seahawks are willing to part with him for what could be a 4th round pick after loading him up with cash and cap, it's a huge mark against everything we've believed about Carroll and Shneider and their ability to assess talent and character.


Maybe this was the best decision and in all likelihood I'm almost sure it was, but everyone trying to dress it up as not a huge deal, or thinks that we're somehow going to be offensively better, at least in the time it's going to take to get in good playoff position, without Harvin is crazy. Whatever kind of locker room cancer he is has nothing to do with his on-field ability when it comes to comparing your roster with and without him.

1. All true, I don't think Pete believes either Richardson or Norwood are ready for prime time roles (and for good reason, history shows WR's take 3 years to become what they will be in the NFL). However, we don't need them to be prime time players yet. Baldwin and Kearse need to step up and drop less balls, and be the players they were last year and the talents that they truly already are!

2. We could have kept Tate either way if he was that important to us...

3. Yes, you and I agree 100% here. However, that doesn't mean Percy was right for this team...

4. If you can't look at the stats and see that the offense performed better without Harvin in it then you are clearly missing something. Wilson had a Total QBR of 45.3 with Harvin on the field this season, and 71.0 without him in the game.

5. If you expect John and Pete to be 100% perfect with zero mistakes you're fooling yourself. They are going to make mistakes, and they have made quite a few already. Percy will be a black mark on the resume. However, having the balls to admit when you were wrong and cutting ties as soon as you know it, is a plus, so I guess those would even out to an equal wash... Unless you think that Tim Ruskell was smarter by keeping a player like Deion Branch that you knew he screwed up on.... If it's a mistake have the balls to correct it like John and Pete!

 

[hoxrox]

It'll be interesting to see which one, if either, of the rookie receivers will be active this Sunday.

Looking forward to seeing what they can do.

 

[bjornanderson21]

Ug. All the silver lining posts are great and all but here are some facts:

1. Richardson and Norwood haven't been sitting on the sideline in close games because they are so great we just didn't want to show our hand til we could find a buyer for percy.

2. Harvin's cap number didn't just cost us Tate; it cost us money we could have used on the D-line either keeping guys like Bryant and Clemons or taking a shot at guys like Ware who obviously has a little left in the tank.

3. Our offensive woes are because our O-line is bad and our play calling is bad. Not becuase Percy Harvin is bad at football.

4. If you buy the idea that we've been struggling offensively because harvin just isn't a good fit, then that speaks volumes for how much worse we can possibly be without him on the team.

5. if Harvin really is so awful of a teammate that the Seahawks are willing to part with him for what could be a 4th round pick after loading him up with cash and cap, it's a huge mark against everything we've believed about Carroll and Shneider and their ability to assess talent and character.


Maybe this was the best decision and in all likelihood I'm almost sure it was, but everyone trying to dress it up as not a huge deal, or thinks that we're somehow going to be offensively better, at least in the time it's going to take to get in good playoff position, without Harvin is crazy. Whatever kind of locker room cancer he is has nothing to do with his on-field ability when it comes to comparing your roster with and without him.

You were wrong when you thought trading for Harvin would make us better, so why are you so sure you're not wrong now?

He certainly wasn't putting up good numbers, and he didn't make much of a decoy since our other guys aren't putting up numbers.

Just like how people are surprised that adding harvin didn't make us better, you guys will be surprised that getting rid of him will.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

5. If you expect John and Pete to be 100% perfect with zero mistakes you're fooling yourself. They are going to make mistakes, and they have made quite a few already. Percy will be a black mark on the resume. However, having the balls to admit when you were wrong and cutting ties as soon as you know it, is a plus, so I guess those would even out to an equal wash... Unless you think that Tim Ruskell was smarter by keeping a player like Deion Branch that you knew he screwed up on.... If it's a mistake have the balls to correct it like John and Pete!

Agree 100%.

No GM is psychic, but it's widely agreed that the better ones in the league roger up to a mistake and take action to cut losses rather than paralyzing their self and team -by taking no action- for fear of looking bad.

 

[bmorepunk]

The passing game probably can't get substantially worse than it has been. Harvin had an impact in the Green Bay game but hasn't been highly successful since then (Washington would count if his plays counted). The potential for him to do amazing things was there, but it's not like we got to see a lot of it so far.

The upcoming stretch has several games where the competition won't be so fierce and there's a lack of division games. If they're going to get it together with the young guys (and Lockette being in the top 3) this is probably the best time to do it. It could get a lot better, but the kinds of things that guys like Rice and Tate contributed last year are going to have to be picked up by someone. Baldwin can't do it all, especially since he'll get a lot of attention.

Fortunately the two primary players that make this offense successful enough the last couple of years (Wilson, Lynch) still are on the team.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

5. If you expect John and Pete to be 100% perfect with zero mistakes you're fooling yourself. They are going to make mistakes, and they have made quite a few already. Percy will be a black mark on the resume. However, having the balls to admit when you were wrong and cutting ties as soon as you know it, is a plus, so I guess those would even out to an equal wash... Unless you think that Tim Ruskell was smarter by keeping a player like Deion Branch that you knew he screwed up on.... If it's a mistake have the balls to correct it like John and Pete!

Agree 100%.

No GM is psychic, but it's widely agreed that the better ones in the league roger up to a mistake and take action to cut losses rather than paralyzing their self and team -by taking no action- for fear of looking bad.

And another ditto from me. No Ruskell here.