Petes Cryptic Message

[nanomoz]

Russ is gone, people.

I'm not happy about it. We're going to have to suffer through Andy Dalton or something next year.

But he's gone. As soon as the coaching carousel settles, things will heat up. And maybe sooner. With a team like Denver, that seems to have made a great hire.

 

[James in PA]

I think it's at least 50/50 that we have seen the last of Russ as a Seahawk. Too much from both sides kicking the tires on other options. It will all depend on what they can get for him. Someone would still have to blow them away with an offer. They are not going to settle for lowball offers. They can't afford to after the disastrous Jamal Adams trade.


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[NINEster]

Right now, the number one factor that determines the success or failure of a team is the quality of the QB.

By a mile.

In fact, the QB might be the only position that is almost significantly responsible for team success despite all else.

So if the QB is this significant a factor, wouldn't passing be fairly important?

Yes, you can win a lot with great D and run game, but there is little to no correlation between those elements and consistently being in the playoffs + consistent playoff success. Meanwhile, if you have a great passing offense, the correlation is almost linear to how you are ranked in TDs passing.

It certainly seems defenses are forced to play with one hand behind their back and most passing offenses are built to take advantage of that now.

Jimmy G, powered 9ers into NFC championship game, by a mile.

LOl really let's see
He threw the ball 19 times, he completed 57% of his passes He has a 57 Passer rating and 11 QBR and 106 yards and an INT. really that's powered? If that was Wilson you would be saying the run game and defense won it and Wilson got lucky. It amazes me the hypocritical nature of some on this board.

Well, that's how Wilson metaphorically won in the early years.

But because he could make 2 sick throws a game nobody batted an eye.

BTW, how did Wilson do in Green Bay this year under normal temperatures?

What are his lifetime stats against Green Bay versus SF QBs?

 

[Maelstrom787]

As to the cryptic PC ting.

We will find out soon enough

Maybe Wilson knew something when he made his comment about wanting to stay here but if the Hawks wanted to trade him.


we will see.

Funny. You'd be frothing at the mouth and slapping your keyboard if this were about the quarterback.

 

[John63]

Right now, the number one factor that determines the success or failure of a team is the quality of the QB.

By a mile.

In fact, the QB might be the only position that is almost significantly responsible for team success despite all else.

So if the QB is this significant a factor, wouldn't passing be fairly important?

Yes, you can win a lot with great D and run game, but there is little to no correlation between those elements and consistently being in the playoffs + consistent playoff success. Meanwhile, if you have a great passing offense, the correlation is almost linear to how you are ranked in TDs passing.

It certainly seems defenses are forced to play with one hand behind their back and most passing offenses are built to take advantage of that now.

Jimmy G, powered 9ers into NFC championship game, by a mile.

LOl really let's see
He threw the ball 19 times, he completed 57% of his passes He has a 57 Passer rating and 11 QBR and 106 yards and an INT. really that's powered? If that was Wilson you would be saying the run game and defense won it and Wilson got lucky. It amazes me the hypocritical nature of some on this board.

Well, that's how Wilson metaphorically won in the early years.

But because he could make 2 sick throws a game nobody batted an eye.

BTW, how did Wilson do in Green Bay this year under normal temperatures?

What are his lifetime stats against Green Bay versus SF QBs?

You mean in his first game back from a serious injury we now know he was not ready for. As to the Gb VS Sf you want to know do the work. Noe of that changes the fact Jimmy G did little and was far from Powering.

 

[chris98251]

We have not even finished the season and we have cryptic comments from Pete and Russell already, I think that's a pretty damn good sign that The Who's are not all happy in Whoville.

Who is the Grinch going to be though............

 

[Seymour]

Good luck building another Elite D.

But the question is, if we do rebuild and build another exceptionally good D and a great run game - does that actually help us have any kind of expectation we can reach the playoffs more or have greater playoff success than recently?

Because the Bengals have an iffy line, OK defense, mediocre run game, and are advancing. Meanwhile, the Ravens are at home with a great run game and very good, if not great defense.

You can counter with the 49ers. Conceded.

But it sure looks like offense is at least 1.x more important than defense in today's NFL.

It's the NFL, it's all important. Balance, that's the key.

What's the old saying, your strengths get you to the playoffs, and your weaknesses is why you lose.

Look no further than GB, their Achilles heal all year was their terrible special teams, and that was their downfall in their loss to the Niners.

So it all matters.

My point is there has to be a part of Pete who would love to trade Russell and see if he and John can build another SB contender. The other part of Pete knows without Russell he probably would have got fired 4-5 years ago. So there's that.

Pete flat out admitted on record saying Russell is the reason he's lasted this long. He's irritating at times but not stupid!

 

[xray]

Did Wilson give a cryptic message about his ' glee ' for Carroll staying on as HC ? Did I miss that ? The Wilson / Carroll
drama is tiresome and damaging to the Hawks organization . They can both go away as far as I care , and good riddance . IMO

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Almost as tiring as hearing you whine about it xray.

 

[scutterhawk]

Good luck building another Elite D.

But the question is, if we do rebuild and build another exceptionally good D and a great run game - does that actually help us have any kind of expectation we can reach the playoffs more or have greater playoff success than recently?

Because the Bengals have an iffy line, OK defense, mediocre run game, and are advancing. Meanwhile, the Ravens are at home with a great run game and very good, if not great defense.

You can counter with the 49ers. Conceded.

But it sure looks like offense is at least 1.x more important than defense in today's NFL.

It's the NFL, it's all important. Balance, that's the key.

What's the old saying, your strengths get you to the playoffs, and your weaknesses is why you lose.

Look no further than GB, their Achilles heal all year was their terrible special teams, and that was their downfall in their loss to the Niners.

So it all matters.

My point is there has to be a part of Pete who would love to trade Russell and see if he and John can build another SB contender. The other part of Pete knows without Russell he probably would have got fired 4-5 years ago. So there's that.

Well, truth be told GB Rodgers was a bad period. I mean the supposed MVP did little. It was not just their special teams it was their whole offense and the defensive way the offense played. They pled not to lose and they lost.

That was MVP minded Mr. Rodgers himself being focused more on his Legacy than stepping up his game, and just slinging the damned ball.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Lord Rodgers is 7-9 since 2010 and ZERO trips to the Super Bowl. He has a legacy of being a damn good player. But he's not nearly as clutch as people make him out to be. And he's an all time great imo.

 

[xray]

Almost as tiring as hearing you whine about it xray.

^
Crawl back into your replica sleeping bag of Wilson's jock homerboy .

 

[Appyhawk]

Russ is gone, people.

I'm not happy about it. We're going to have to suffer through Andy Dalton or something next year.

But he's gone. As soon as the coaching carousel settles, things will heat up. And maybe sooner. With a team like Denver, that seems to have made a great hire.

With Denver hiring A. Roger's coach from Green Bay, the guy who coached Rogers during his 3 most productive years, what QB do you think that guy will be after to get things rolling as Broncos?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ok xray, you go ahead and crawl back to your basement and get in your Trump PJ's you miserable old buzzard. You're a whiner. Pure and simple.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Russ is gone, people.

I'm not happy about it. We're going to have to suffer through Andy Dalton or something next year.

But he's gone. As soon as the coaching carousel settles, things will heat up. And maybe sooner. With a team like Denver, that seems to have made a great hire.

Wilson has two years left on his deal, so he's not going anywhere unless Pete and John decide it's the best decision for the organization.

Russ has no leverage this year. Now next year? That's a different story, he'll have all the leverage he needs to force a trade because he'll tell the team he's not going to sign an extension and wants out.

But this year? Nope. If Pete and John want him here, he's stuck.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good points ^
Next year, it could get very interesting. We also have heard that "he's gone" the last 2 off seasons, and we're gonna' hear it for yet another this year. Could it happen? Sure. But it's not cut and dry either way.
Unless a team just offers up some ridiculous offer, totally different story.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Well, let us hope that Pete's ego does not get in the way of Pete realizing that he could not succeed without Wilson.

Unless the plan is to be terrible for 1-2 years to get a coveted high draft pick to potentially get a top QB (or trade for a high draft pick the next year) - it would make no sense.

Pete does not have time to rebuild this team.

This is going to be like when we traded Randy Johnson away because he was 'too old', 'cranky', 'hurt'.

Sure the Mariners got some pieces back, but Randy went to win a World Series and the Mariners never really were a playoff threat again. With Randy, they were.

If a player is a key reason you are a playoff threat, and you trade that player - then expect your ability to continue to be a playoff threat will significantly diminish if not disappear altogether.

Top QBs, for the most part, get in the playoffs consistently. Because the rules are all canted to benefit the passing team offenses and limit the defenses' ability to stop same.

Take away all those games we won by those Wilson 4 qtr comebacks and you get a .500 team...if that.

Let's not pretend that Pete could do the same thing with another QB that we could reasonably get. (Unless we trade Wilson to the 49ers for Jimmy G and their rookie QB)

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Pete does not have time to rebuild this team.

People keep saying this, but it doesn't make sense.

Pete and John have three years left on their deal, plenty of time to rebuild if that's the way they want to go. It's done all the time, look at what NE did, cleared their cap space, went hard after free agents and found their next young QB.

We did it 10 years ago, took 2-3 years to build the SB champs.

That's what makes the NFL the greatest league on the planet, there are no haves and have nots perennially. With revenue sharing any organization if ran properly, drafts well and makes good free agent and personnel decisions can win it all.

Now are Pete and John the right coach and GM to pull off another rebuild? That's another conversation. But to say there's no time? That's not correct at all.

 

[GaiusMarius]

Pete does not have time to rebuild this team.

People keep saying this, but it doesn't make sense.

Pete and John have three years left on their deal, plenty of time to rebuild if that's the way they want to go. It's done all the time, look at what NE did, cleared their cap space, went hard after free agents and found their next young QB.

We did it 10 years ago, took 2-3 years to build the SB champs.

That's what makes the NFL the greatest league on the planet, there are no haves and have nots perennially. With revenue sharing any organization if ran properly, drafts well and makes good free agent and personnel decisions can win it all.

Now are Pete and John the right coach and GM to pull off another rebuild? That's another conversation. But to say there's no time? That's not correct at all.

How old is Pete?

Realize he may not be as patient as you to sniff success again.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Pete does not have time to rebuild this team.

People keep saying this, but it doesn't make sense.

Pete and John have three years left on their deal, plenty of time to rebuild if that's the way they want to go. It's done all the time, look at what NE did, cleared their cap space, went hard after free agents and found their next young QB.

We did it 10 years ago, took 2-3 years to build the SB champs.

That's what makes the NFL the greatest league on the planet, there are no haves and have nots perennially. With revenue sharing any organization if ran properly, drafts well and makes good free agent and personnel decisions can win it all.

Now are Pete and John the right coach and GM to pull off another rebuild? That's another conversation. But to say there's no time? That's not correct at all.

How old is Pete?

Realize he may not be as patient as you to sniff success again.

Pete's 70. Belichick's 69 and just went through a roster overhaul.

Guarantee you Pete's age is not a factor in this conversation. Pretty sure he also isn't interested in being the 3rd or 4th best team in his own division for the rest of his contract either.