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Congrats, Alice. Rams are killing it right now.
hawknation2018":3jgsezd0 said:Congrats, Alice. Rams are killing it right now.
Popeyejones":3j81qvtx said:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.
And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.
The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.
Ramfan128":3pyt7y36 said:This team will be around for a long time.
RedAlice":27xiu6ws said:SkyHawks16":27xiu6ws said:Problem is, if they don't win now, they are screwed long term.mrt144":27xiu6ws said:SkyHawks16":27xiu6ws said:That it folks, it is over, no need to play rest of the games, the Rams are the 2019 Superbowl winners, all because they are undefeated in week 9 :roll: .
They don't even need to win a SB for these moves to be a rational risk/reward push towards winning the SB. Are you just categorically against a team sacrificing long term stability for short term reward because you think that's 'the wrong way' to do things?
Again, respectfully disagree. Rams are built for the long term.
Ramfan128":hm0ib5s3 said:Popeyejones":hm0ib5s3 said:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.
And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.
The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.
I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".
Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.
IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.
McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.
We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.
Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.
This team will be around for a long time.
Marvin49":1y263ngd said:Ramfan128":1y263ngd said:Popeyejones":1y263ngd said:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.
And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.
The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.
I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".
Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.
IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.
McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.
We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.
Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.
This team will be around for a long time.
Here's the thing tho....
....you are in that awesome spot where you have your QB playing really well on his rookie deal. Take advantage of it while it lasts because as soon as he's due for that MONSTER extension, things will change.
Thats not to say "BANG" you start losing. It just means you won't be able to afford some other stuff and as a result the team isn't as deep.
Niners will never get that option with Garoppolo, but they did front load the hell out of his contract to give them leverage in future years.
That spot you are in is the zone all teams WANT to be in. Young QB playing great and under their control for a few years before they really have to pay him. That's not criticism. That's reality. Enjoy it.
I mean the CBA doesn't even give him an option to hold out. That's the perfect spot. Its part of the reason I have no issues with these trades. Go get it.
Ramfan128":20w6sdzb said:Marvin49":20w6sdzb said:Ramfan128":20w6sdzb said:Popeyejones":20w6sdzb said:Really well said. And the way they've set it up I don't even think the price of failure is that steep. Beyond the Cooks contract they haven't given any of these guys anything long term, and as of now they've lost what, a 2nd, a 3rd and some late round picks and they have two thirds coming back to them? For the chance to push all in that's a GREAT deal, in my opinion.
And they still have their first next year that they can spend on Edge in a ridiculously Edge rich year, if they don't want to bring Fowler back.
The Cooks trade and contact is really the only thing they've done that I don't like, but I also kinda get it because the WR market was just dumb all around last offseason.
I keep hearing "all in" and "mortgage the future".
Most people are not fully grasping what the Rams are doing.
IMO the key to longterm success is putting a system in place that you can switch out players and keep going; your franchise QB becoming elite to justify that pay increase; and drafting well.
McVay has the system - our offensive line features the oldest OL in the league, a good but not elite player in Saffold, a castoff old center in Sullivan, a late round pick that was cut by the COLTS in Blythe, and a RT in Havenstein that was considered a reach when we drafted him in the 2nd round - and he didn't play particularly well before McVay. Last year we went OL heavy in the draft to get Whitworth and Sullivan's replacements - they're currently our only two backup offensive linemen. Based on what we've gotten out of Blythe, I think these guys will be good. Saffold is the only one not under contract next year, but has already said he wants to stay.
We will be letting Joyner go and could potentially cut Mark Barron to save almost $10 million. That will allow us to keep the rest of the team together and sign a FA or two.
Between FA and the draft we'd be looking for Edge, ILB and S - but we could also retain Fowler.
This team will be around for a long time.
Here's the thing tho....
....you are in that awesome spot where you have your QB playing really well on his rookie deal. Take advantage of it while it lasts because as soon as he's due for that MONSTER extension, things will change.
Thats not to say "BANG" you start losing. It just means you won't be able to afford some other stuff and as a result the team isn't as deep.
Niners will never get that option with Garoppolo, but they did front load the hell out of his contract to give them leverage in future years.
That spot you are in is the zone all teams WANT to be in. Young QB playing great and under their control for a few years before they really have to pay him. That's not criticism. That's reality. Enjoy it.
I mean the CBA doesn't even give him an option to hold out. That's the perfect spot. Its part of the reason I have no issues with these trades. Go get it.
I totally get it. I just think people overstate this.
Example: take away Lamarcus Joyner and Mark Barron's salaries and give them to Goff - that would put him near the $25-$30 million range - and replace them with rookies (given time to draft them as the Rams will be able to do) - Joyner has been a massive disappointment after last year and Barron is playing now but was injured and missed the first 4 games.
The Vikings were able to fully load their team - and then pay out a crazy QB contract.
It will hurt the flexibility, of course. But I think people really overstate this.
Marvin49":jgkrilbl said:I totally get it. I just think people overstate this.
Example: take away Lamarcus Joyner and Mark Barron's salaries and give them to Goff - that would put him near the $25-$30 million range - and replace them with rookies (given time to draft them as the Rams will be able to do) - Joyner has been a massive disappointment after last year and Barron is playing now but was injured and missed the first 4 games.
The Vikings were able to fully load their team - and then pay out a crazy QB contract.
It will hurt the flexibility, of course. But I think people really overstate this.
MD5eahawks":3v1he8r7 said:Wasn't there a big 'shock' reaction to them signing Suh? I remember thinking how bad ass that D was gonna look. But it didn't seem to work out that way cuz now they've gone and picked up someone to help. I have to, at this point, wait and see if this really makes the difference it should.
There are many recipes to build a Championship team. The Rams are most certainly going all in by trading away lots of draft picks for rentals.