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Who was that, with a game-winning-drive opportunity, down by just three late in the fourth quarter, going off-script and fumbling away the game?

I can't wait for some of the Russellettes around here to explain to us how this fourth-quarter choke-ola with the game on the line is Pete Carroll's fault.
 

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As "Low-budget Jake Heaps" (our old pal @John63, a.k.a. Deandc on the Broncos board) pointed out in his desperation to blame everyone on the NFL team R. Wilson himself said he wouldn't "need to carry," R. Wilson had a pretty high passer rating for the game - 103.7. But passer rating doesn't take into account things like sacks, fumbles, throwing distance, and game situation, while QBR does. QBR also takes into account scrambles and designed runs, which used to help R. Wilson.
Anyway, R. Wilson's QBR for yesterday's game was 19.6. A hypothetical QB who in a hypothetical game takes the hypothetical snaps and hypothetically spikes the hypothetical ball into the hypothetical turf on every hypothetical play would end up with a QBR of 39. Yes, Russell Wilson's performance would have been twice as good by QBR if he'd just spiked the ball on every play.

R. Wilson may or may not have figured out that he still has the skills to end up with a high passer rating even if he isn't helping his team win, giving himself and Team 3 a way to argue, as always, that all R-Wilson failures are somebody else's fault.

The absolute best part of this is that as badly as R. Wilson is playing, and as outrageously large a chunk of the Broncos cap he's using for such crap performance, the real cap hits from the stupid, stupid extension the Broncos gave R. Wilson before he'd played a snap for them (a.k.a. "the gift that keeps on giving" for those of us who dislike the Broncos) haven't even kicked in yet. This year, R. Wilson's two-pronged attack (one prong on the field, the other on the salary cap) on any chance the Broncos might have had at contending for titles is more subpar performance at a cap hit of "just" $22M. Next year his cap hit jumps to $35.4M. If the Broncos decide to get out after this season, they do so with $85M of dead cap. If he's still around in 2025 (oh please oh please!), his cap hit jumps to $55.4M. Even if they bail at that point, it'll be with $49.6M of dead money.

For those keeping score, so far this season, R. Wilson has been out-quarterbacked by Tagovailoa (no shame in that), Mike White after Tagovailoa was pulled with the game in hand, Garoppolo, Sam Howell, and Justin Fields (despite the game-losing screwup). He and Z. Wilson basically battled to a draw in the Who's-the-Worst-QB-in-the-League-with-the-Last-Name-Wilson Bowl. Of course, Z. Wilson's team won when R. Wilson fumbled away the game when down by just three points with plenty of time to at least get into field-goal range, so it seems like there's a clear "winner" here.

Oh yeah... one more detail. Before the season, Sean Payton had a lot to say about Nathaniel Hackett's performance as Broncos head coach last year. Not only did Hackett and Z. Wilson beat Payton and the guy whose $#!+ty 2022 performance Payton was blaming on Hackett (and they beat 'em in Denver!!), but the Payton Broncos actually look noticeably worse than the Hackett Broncos did a year ago. Remember, by this time last year, Hackett's Broncos had beaten the Santa Clara Gold Diggers, one of the top teams in the league.

The only way this could possibly be funnier for me would be if The Teeth were still in charge in Denver.

Even without that, I'm gonna end up fat from all the carbohydrates in popcorn.
 

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As "Low-budget Jake Heaps" (our old pal @John63, a.k.a. Deandc on the Broncos board) pointed out in his desperation to blame everyone on the NFL team R. Wilson himself said he wouldn't "need to carry," R. Wilson had a pretty high passer rating for the game - 103.7. But passer rating doesn't take into account things like sacks, fumbles, throwing distance, and game situation, while QBR does. QBR also takes into account scrambles and designed runs, which used to help R. Wilson.
Anyway, R. Wilson's QBR for yesterday's game was 19.6. A hypothetical QB who in a hypothetical game takes the hypothetical snaps and hypothetically spikes the hypothetical ball into the hypothetical turf on every hypothetical play would end up with a QBR of 39. Yes, Russell Wilson's performance would have been twice as good by QBR if he'd just spiked the ball on every play.

R. Wilson may or may not have figured out that he still has the skills to end up with a high passer rating even if he isn't helping his team win, giving himself and Team 3 a way to argue, as always, that all R-Wilson failures are somebody else's fault.

The absolute best part of this is that as badly as R. Wilson is playing, and as outrageously large a chunk of the Broncos cap he's using for such crap performance, the real cap hits from the stupid, stupid extension the Broncos gave R. Wilson before he'd played a snap for them (a.k.a. "the gift that keeps on giving" for those of us who dislike the Broncos) haven't even kicked in yet. This year, R. Wilson's two-pronged attack (one prong on the field, the other on the salary cap) on any chance the Broncos might have had at contending for titles is more subpar performance at a cap hit of "just" $22M. Next year his cap hit jumps to $35.4M. If the Broncos decide to get out after this season, they do so with $85M of dead cap. If he's still around in 2025 (oh please oh please!), his cap hit jumps to $55.4M. Even if they bail at that point, it'll be with $49.6M of dead money.

For those keeping score, so far this season, R. Wilson has been out-quarterbacked by Tagovailoa (no shame in that), Mike White after Tagovailoa was pulled with the game in hand, Garoppolo, Sam Howell, and Justin Fields (despite the game-losing screwup). He and Z. Wilson basically battled to a draw in the Who's-the-Worst-QB-in-the-League-with-the-Last-Name-Wilson Bowl. Of course, Z. Wilson's team won when R. Wilson fumbled away the game when down by just three points with plenty of time to at least get into field-goal range, so it seems like there's a clear "winner" here.

Oh yeah... one more detail. Before the season, Sean Payton had a lot to say about Nathaniel Hackett's performance as Broncos head coach last year. Not only did Hackett and Z. Wilson beat Payton and the guy whose $#!+ty 2022 performance Payton was blaming on Hackett (and they beat 'em in Denver!!), but the Payton Broncos actually look noticeably worse than the Hackett Broncos did a year ago. Remember, by this time last year, Hackett's Broncos had beaten the Santa Clara Gold Diggers, one of the top teams in the league.

The only way this could possibly be funnier for me would be if The Teeth were still in charge in Denver.

Even without that, I'm gonna end up fat from all the carbohydrates in popcorn.

The best part about it for me is that over the last 4 years now he's literally been tying his own noose. Pete gave him control (the rope) and he has completely gone full Russell. First coming off of a 2019 that was actually the best our offense had looked under Russ. He then blew the whole thing up in 2020 after that horrible stretch when Pete took the ball from him. BTW, how does that move look now, in hindsight? PC literally saved our season and got us to 12-4 when we were staring in the face the Russ that is the disaster he's been in Denver now for 2 years. Pete knew it was coming. So did John. But Pete couldn't save us in the playoffs against a stout Rams defense anymore than Payton could save Denver from the Jets on Sunday. The end was near.

So Russ throws a tantrum leading to Schotty's departure and asks for a new OC. Pete obliges and brings in the closest thing he can find to the mind of McVay. S Waldron

What does Russ do? 2021 he gives us the prequel to Denver Russ... bombs away, looking explosive for a qrtr or 2 and then crickets when defenses adjusted. Not too unlike his 2 yards passing for 2 qtrs on Sunday. Then he gets injured and that was the proverbial curtain being pulled up. Geno jumps in and the O looks completely different. And... Russ jumps back in to take the spotlight away before any other teams can figure out who he really was.

And it worked perfectly.
He gets traded. Cashes in, but then in a scenario that is classic 'poetic justice' gets to work first with Aaron Rodgers OC, a player who he for years matched himself against and without a doubt, lobbied to have an offense similar too. What happens? He shows himself to be who he is on his worst performance in the pros by far.

Then, he gets matched with the coach he always wanted... the guy who called plays for his hero, Drew Brees. And what happens? Well, that's still a work in progress but it certainly is entertaining to see.

Vindication doesn't begin to define what Pete and the 2012 - 14 crew likely feel. To have had their legacy stolen by a player with an overinflated sense of self, who refused to improve at their expense, and who, with the help of his coach in Seattle, created a mystique around himself that obscured all of his warts and flaws. For the charade to finally come crashing down by the hand of the man who helped create it, when for almost a decade, they remained silent about what REALLY happened and the truth...

Shakespeare couldn't have written it any better.
 

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It feels good to have been right all along on Wilson (over a decade, not over the last 12 months), yet I was highly resisted on here.

Rival fans can provide the insight we often don't like to hear. Seahawk fans dismissed Kaepernick's career essentially from the very minute he took over, which wasn't a fun thing to have to listen to, but he only had 1 win over the Seahawks I think and every single game was a struggle. He made Garoppolo and Alex Smith look like Marino and Montana by comparison.

But getting back to Wilson, the clues were always there.

Almost every single Rams game of the Fisher era.

The 2016 game against the Bucs. Every Packer game since the 2014 NFCC. Miami season opener 2016. Most games versus the Panthers.

You can dress up September success (i.e., 2019) any way you want, but the end result (January) always was the same.

Props for Seattle/Carroll building the right kind of monster and coaching it the right way to get 1 almost 2 chips.

Can't do that anymore after Peyton's last hurrah.....defense carrying the QB to a Lombardi.

Wilson has needed a super top roster his entire career to win championships, and now needs that just to win games.
 

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It feels good to have been right all along on Wilson (over a decade, not over the last 12 months), yet I was highly resisted on here.

Rival fans can provide the insight we often don't like to hear. Seahawk fans dismissed Kaepernick's career essentially from the very minute he took over, which wasn't a fun thing to have to listen to, but he only had 1 win over the Seahawks I think and every single game was a struggle. He made Garoppolo and Alex Smith look like Marino and Montana by comparison.

But getting back to Wilson, the clues were always there.

Almost every single Rams game of the Fisher era.

The 2016 game against the Bucs. Every Packer game since the 2014 NFCC. Miami season opener 2016. Most games versus the Panthers.

You can dress up September success (i.e., 2019) any way you want, but the end result (January) always was the same.

Props for Seattle/Carroll building the right kind of monster and coaching it the right way to get 1 almost 2 chips.

Can't do that anymore after Peyton's last hurrah.....defense carrying the QB to a Lombardi.

Wilson has needed a super top roster his entire career to win championships, and now needs that just to win games.
It's definitely your time use it wisely because even now we aren't shitty. After the stomp job you guys did on Dallas I'm confident we can beat them as possibly go 10-7 maybe 11-6 if we get healthy.
 
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The best part about it for me is that over the last 4 years now he's literally been tying his own noose. Pete gave him control (the rope) and he has completely gone full Russell. First coming off of a 2019 that was actually the best our offense had looked under Russ. He then blew the whole thing up in 2020 after that horrible stretch when Pete took the ball from him. BTW, how does that move look now, in hindsight? PC literally saved our season and got us to 12-4 when we were staring in the face the Russ that is the disaster he's been in Denver now for 2 years. Pete knew it was coming. So did John. But Pete couldn't save us in the playoffs against a stout Rams defense anymore than Payton could save Denver from the Jets on Sunday. The end was near.

So Russ throws a tantrum leading to Schotty's departure and asks for a new OC. Pete obliges and brings in the closest thing he can find to the mind of McVay. S Waldron

What does Russ do? 2021 he gives us the prequel to Denver Russ... bombs away, looking explosive for a qrtr or 2 and then crickets when defenses adjusted. Not too unlike his 2 yards passing for 2 qtrs on Sunday. Then he gets injured and that was the proverbial curtain being pulled up. Geno jumps in and the O looks completely different. And... Russ jumps back in to take the spotlight away before any other teams can figure out who he really was.

And it worked perfectly.
He gets traded. Cashes in, but then in a scenario that is classic 'poetic justice' gets to work first with Aaron Rodgers OC, a player who he for years matched himself against and without a doubt, lobbied to have an offense similar too. What happens? He shows himself to be who he is on his worst performance in the pros by far.

Then, he gets matched with the coach he always wanted... the guy who called plays for his hero, Drew Brees. And what happens? Well, that's still a work in progress but it certainly is entertaining to see.

Vindication doesn't begin to define what Pete and the 2012 - 14 crew likely feel. To have had their legacy stolen by a player with an overinflated sense of self, who refused to improve at their expense, and who, with the help of his coach in Seattle, created a mystique around himself that obscured all of his warts and flaws. For the charade to finally come crashing down by the hand of the man who helped create it, when for almost a decade, they remained silent about what REALLY happened and the truth...

Shakespeare couldn't have written it any better.
May not be by Shakespeare, but you just did a fine job.
 

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I'm looking forward to TNF this week. I hope the Donks lose by 2 TDs even though KC is under performing right now. The Donks are a get-right game for KC.
 

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I agree with him. Stats be damned. Peyton knows you cant win a game simply with stats like TDs and completion percentage.
Lol but Russell's stat padding is making it hard for him to do it because of public opinion. Also the fact that the defense looks horrible isnt helping either. I bet the rest of the team is playing uninspired because no matter what, they are going to get blamed more than russ because they are playing in Russell's system. The rest of the team has to adjust to his foolish offense.
 

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Lol but Russell's stat padding is making it hard for him to do it because of public opinion. Also the fact that the defense looks horrible isnt helping either. I bet the rest of the team is playing uninspired because no matter what, they are going to get blamed more than russ because they are playing in Russell's system. The rest of the team has to adjust to his foolish offense.

Very true.
 

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Russell's ego will not allow for him to continue this humiliation. A mysterious injury will soon surface which will force Russ to step aside for Stidham in relief for a few games. Once it is determined that the injury is more serious the originally thought, he will be forced to retire. The injury has been present for past two seasons but he bravely played through the pain like the hero and the team player he is, but he can no longer continue to hide the pain and the medical staff is forcing him to retire. The severe injury being the reason for his past two years performance. He will take his Colorado gold and retire to his 12 bathroom mansion and pick up a side job working for Subway just to keep busy. He is and will always remain, Mr. Unlimited"!!
 

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Division game Chiefs and Doinks, Chiefs use it to get things right, Broncos will be a slaughterhouse after the game.70 points may not be the most scored on them this season after this game if Reid just lets them play.

In fact this could be the game that Wilson gets benched especially after the game ending fumble this past week.
 

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Division game Chiefs and Doinks, Chiefs use it to get things right, Broncos will be a slaughterhouse after the game.70 points may not be the most scored on them this season after this game if Reid just lets them play.

In fact this could be the game that Wilson gets benched especially after the game ending fumble this past week.
I dont know, Kansas City hasnt been very impressive this season... I could see this being a struggle for them even with how bad the Broncos are.
 

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Russell's ego will not allow for him to continue this humiliation. A mysterious injury will soon surface which will force Russ to step aside for Stidham in relief for a few games. Once it is determined that the injury is more serious the originally thought, he will be forced to retire. The injury has been present for past two seasons but he bravely played through the pain like the hero and the team player he is, but he can no longer continue to hide the pain and the medical staff is forcing him to retire. The severe injury being the reason for his past two years performance. He will take his Colorado gold and retire to his 12 bathroom mansion and pick up a side job working for Subway just to keep busy. He is and will always remain, Mr. Unlimited"!!
Don't forget the fact that the mystery injury is going to require treatment in another city. That it removes him from the local media market is entirely coincidental.
 

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Don't forget the fact that the mystery injury is going to require treatment in another city. That it removes him from the local media market is entirely coincidental.
Is Ciara trying to get a gig in Vegas? Hear the Bubbly Water is good there and it may heal him faster.
 
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