Seahawks Niners rivalry????

[253hawk]

In 6 games, 3 home games for each team, Seattle is 4-2 with the two losses coming by a combined 8 points. Seattle is plus 69, for an average margin of victory of 11.5 pts

And the head-to-head scores aren't even close, despite Seattle having a slim 17 W - 15 L lead in the series. +153 (753 points to SF's 600) in 32 games. No one else in the Super Bowl era has such a differential against them; you have to go back to the 50's/60's Baltimore Colts with +174 in 43 games.

 

[rideaducati]

In theory our games should be very competitive and good. But ever since Kaepernick became the starter, you guys have had our number. While I'm not a big fan of Alex, I think if he were still our QB our recent matchups would have been much closer. You guys are in Kaepernick's head.

Right now I believe Harbaugh and PC are split ever since JH came to the league.

2011, SF sweep Seattle

2012, split, 3-1 SF lead

2013 regular season, split 4-2 SF

2013 post season, seattle win in seattle. Series of PC VS JH @ 4-3 in favor of JH.

2014, seattle has won the first game, likely to win the second game in seattle.

So far we've split our games since JH took over with both JH and PC having a record of 4-4 against each other (as far as seattle vs SF). Considering this, it's more even than you think.

When it's all said in done, PC would've had the better record at 5-4 vs 4-5 of JH after the season when Harbaugh is likely gone.

Another tidbit, 3 of the wins have come with Alex as our QB and only one win has come from Kaepernick (in the JH VS PC era). It shows how much Kap blows against Seattle.

The niner wins with Alex came when Seattle had a very depleted roster. Once Pete had time to get the roster into shape, the Seahawks took over. It was fun to watch Pete and John build this team into a winner in only two years. It's almost as fun watching Baalke and Harbaugh drive their team into the ground after they were handed a damn good team.

 

[rideaducati]

The damn curly horned goats just piss me off. They play great against the Seahawks and then lay eggs against teams we would like to see them beat. They only win against the Seahawks because they keep running fluky fake punts and field goals and getting away with them. They're just irritating right now.

The curly horned goats are a team that finishes below .500 every year and once Fisher gets a real QB, the goats will be a perennial 8-8 powerhouse. Fisher, when given a lot of talent, can win half of his games.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Rams beat the Hawks almost once yearly cuz Pete Carroll keeps forgetting that Jeff Fisher loves to do trick shit against Seattle and thus our team is not ready for the inevitable.

........2011, SF sweep Seattle........

Pre-Russell Wilson so doesn't matter to us. But hey, if it gives you and your team that split between Carroll and Hardouche that you apparently want quite badly, by all means feel free to count it.

 

[RationalNiner]

The niner wins with Alex came when Seattle had a very depleted roster. Once Pete had time to get the roster into shape, the Seahawks took over. It was fun to watch Pete and John build this team into a winner in only two years. It's almost as fun watching Baalke and Harbaugh drive their team into the ground after they were handed a damn good team.

One of the wins with Alex was in 2012, though in the first half of the season. You guys definitely improved in the second half of that season. I'm not doubting the Hawks improved their roster since 2011. RW alone made a big difference. And I'm not doubting that the Hawks are currently a better coached team with similar talent levels, but I do think historically Alex has played Seattle much better than Kaepernick and I do think if Alex was the QB the more recent games would've been closer. Keep in mind you guys recently lost to Alex and KC a few weeks ago. For whatever reason, Alex has had more success against you guys when it comes to winning games. Kaepernick has played like complete crap against you guys and I don't think we'll ever have much success against Seattle until Kaepernick gets over his seattle fear or is replaced.

Pre-Russell Wilson so doesn't matter to us. But hey, if it gives you and your team that split between Carroll and Hardouche that you apparently want quite badly, by all means feel free to count it.

That doesn't matter too much to me. I just included it because that's when the rivalry really started to take form. If you remember, Scott Mccloughan said the hawks were going to beat the hell out of us in our december game of 2011 up in Seattle. Scott had recently been let go or fired by the Niners because of alcohol problems or something and had just joined Seattle. The niner players took this personally, and I believe Anthony Davis told Scott to eat shit over twitter after they had won in Seattle. Also the PC vs JH rivalry carried over from college into the NFL and it really helped spark the intense rivalry/hate between the two teams in 2011 when he got here. I remember fellow Niner fans in 2011 constantly making fun of PC, saying Harbaugh owned PC. Now the situation has reversed and Niner fans weren't expecting it. At the time most Niner fans thought we would control the West for the foreseeable future under Harbaugh but it only lasted 2 years and Niner fans have trouble coping.

I personally would like JH fired because the offense is terrible and we need a new coaching staff there.

 

[RedAlice]

Rams will be legit next year. The past few years everyone's been smelling their mule in the preseason...and only one person has been saying "no, the Cardinals are the other threat". Oh, that one person was me, btw.

Rams are bonafide now, IMO. I'm keeping an eye out for a veteran QB to be cut who may fit their bill. There's a shot Ben could get cut, at least their was at the beginning of the year. Or they could trade for a Mike Glennon? Jay Cutler? Someone...

They need a vet to tutor the "goofus" version of Fisher's new McNair, Jameis Winston. Fisher IS drafting him.

Meh, the Rams are the 49ers before Harbaugh always being picked to win yet always finding a way to lose and get high draft pick after high draft pick which somehow never quite play up to their potential.

Totally agree. But, I think that's changed. They're ready.

I will need more convincing but I can see why you might feel that way. It just seems they should be contenders but something ALWAYS happens. It's similar to how we never won on the road until we did.

UNTIL being the important word here.

Something seems to have changed in the way they play over the course of this season. Only Vikes and KC were the kind of losses that were routine the last few years, and they have yet to implode into childish thugs the way they did v Hawks game 17 or Panthers game 6. None of that has been here this year.

I'm still skeptical, but am becoming more hopeful that they are only a QB away. Need to see how they play v Skins and Giants. These two games say more imo than game 17 will. The significance of the Raider win is that they played the way a good team should v a bad one - not two bad ones battling it out.

 

[HawkWow]

So it cracks me up that all off season, all we heard about was the 49ers and Seahawks, and how dominant those two are. And don't get me wrong, I know there is some hatred there.

And then how they've supplanted Pittsburgh and Baltimore as the best NFL rivalry.

But if you actually look at the results, Seattle has completely dominated SF....

Point differentials in order beginning in Russel Wilson's rookie year:

SF by 6 (in SF)

SEA by 29 (in SEA)

SEA by 26 (in SEA)

SF by 2 (in SF)

SEA by 6 (In SEA - playoffs)

SEA by 16 (in SF)


With the 7th meeting in three years coming in 9 days....in Seattle....after they already beat down the Niners in SF this year.

In 6 games, 3 home games for each team, Seattle is 4-2 with the two losses coming by a combined 8 points. Seattle is plus 69, for an average margin of victory of 11.5 pts


Long story short, the Niners are not on Seattle's level. Not even close. By comparison, let's see how my Rams have done against Wilson and the Seahawks. Point differentials for Rams/Seahawks beginning Russel Wilson's rookie year:

STL by 6 (STL)

SEA by 7 (SEA)

SEA by 5 (STL)

SEA by 18 (SEA)

STL by 2 (STL)


It's important to note that three of these games were played by Kellen Clemens/Austin Davis. Anyway, through 5 contests thus far, SEA is plus 22, for an average margin of victory of 5.4 pts


I'll even go on to guess that Niners lose in Seattle worse than we will in week 17.

Kaepernick looks bad, Harbaugh is all but out the door.

And while we're on the topic of the NFC West, I have never seen Arizona as a credible threat. Arians has done a good job, but I see the Rams and Seahawks as the teams at the top after this year.

Spot on.

I was posting this same thing, though less detailed, last week. Going so far as to suggest SF may be better off with Gabbert at the Clink. I predict the Niners are about to take a whupping of epic proportions, even if Pete tries to sit on a lead or even if he tries to keep the score down.

When we return from Philly (healthy) a real line should look like Hawks -13. BUT...I think it will open at Hawks -6.5 / 7. SF, for several reasons, blindly draws a ton of weekly action. And that's wonderful. Hawk bettors. couldn't ask for a better situation. Typical, heavy betting on SF will keep the line deflated but I won't be surprised if the big money drives it to Hawks -10 by game time, and even then, that will still be solid value, imo.

IF Pete takes the reigns off, I predict a 3 TD win and quite possibly the (temporary) end to this "fierce rivalry". I mean no disrespect to our Niner posters here, but SF has been reduced to a middle of the road team and with so much at stake, we won't be played tight by some middle of the road team. Like Sherm once so eloquently stated: "Mismatch".

 

[rlkats]

So it cracks me up that all off season, all we heard about was the 49ers and Seahawks, and how dominant those two are. And don't get me wrong, I know there is some hatred there.

And then how they've supplanted Pittsburgh and Baltimore as the best NFL rivalry.

But if you actually look at the results, Seattle has completely dominated SF....

Point differentials in order beginning in Russel Wilson's rookie year:

SF by 6 (in SF)

SEA by 29 (in SEA)

SEA by 26 (in SEA)

SF by 2 (in SF)

SEA by 6 (In SEA - playoffs)

SEA by 16 (in SF)


With the 7th meeting in three years coming in 9 days....in Seattle....after they already beat down the Niners in SF this year.

In 6 games, 3 home games for each team, Seattle is 4-2 with the two losses coming by a combined 8 points. Seattle is plus 69, for an average margin of victory of 11.5 pts


Long story short, the Niners are not on Seattle's level. Not even close. By comparison, let's see how my Rams have done against Wilson and the Seahawks. Point differentials for Rams/Seahawks beginning Russel Wilson's rookie year:

STL by 6 (STL)

SEA by 7 (SEA)

SEA by 5 (STL)

SEA by 18 (SEA)

STL by 2 (STL)


It's important to note that three of these games were played by Kellen Clemens/Austin Davis. Anyway, through 5 contests thus far, SEA is plus 22, for an average margin of victory of 5.4 pts


I'll even go on to guess that Niners lose in Seattle worse than we will in week 17.

Kaepernick looks bad, Harbaugh is all but out the door.

And while we're on the topic of the NFC West, I have never seen Arizona as a credible threat. Arians has done a good job, but I see the Rams and Seahawks as the teams at the top after this year.

Spot on.

I was posting this same thing, though less detailed, last week. Going so far as to suggest SF may be better off with Gabbert at the Clink. I predict the Niners are about to take a whupping of epic proportions, even if Pete tries to sit on a lead or even if he tries to keep the score down.

When we return from Philly (healthy) a real line should look like Hawks -13. BUT...I think it will open at Hawks -6.5 / 7. SF, for several reasons, blindly draws a ton of weekly action. And that's wonderful. Hawk bettors. couldn't ask for a better situation. Typical, heavy betting on SF will keep the line deflated but I won't be surprised if the big money drives it to Hawks -10 by game time, and even then, that will still be solid value, imo.

IF Pete takes the reigns off, I predict a 3 TD win and quite possibly the (temporary) end to this "fierce rivalry". I mean no disrespect to our Niner posters here, but SF has been reduced to a middle of the road team and with so much at stake, we won't be played tight by some middle of the road team. Like Sherm once so eloquently stated: "Mismatch".

Haha ok where to start.

A rivalry yes i feel its always a rivalry between NFCW teams. News flash none of them exactly like each other.
My Niners are the Hawks Bitches as of now. No changing that.

Middle of the road team.
Sad to say yes. And i see a waaay worse score when the Seattle San Fran game hits soon.

I see a healthy hungry seahawk team that will jot be stopped. The offense does not have to be perfect because they play like a team not a bunch of individuals. Ya you Kap.

So all in all great win ramfan beating the hawks. Big props to a win against a super bowl caliber team using trick plays and good D.

I wish my team could do 2 to 4 trick plays a game and win. Maybe then we would have a better record.

 

[rideaducati]

The niner wins with Alex came when Seattle had a very depleted roster. Once Pete had time to get the roster into shape, the Seahawks took over. It was fun to watch Pete and John build this team into a winner in only two years. It's almost as fun watching Baalke and Harbaugh drive their team into the ground after they were handed a damn good team.

One of the wins with Alex was in 2012, though in the first half of the season. You guys definitely improved in the second half of that season. I'm not doubting the Hawks improved their roster since 2011. RW alone made a big difference. And I'm not doubting that the Hawks are currently a better coached team with similar talent levels, but I do think historically Alex has played Seattle much better than Kaepernick and I do think if Alex was the QB the more recent games would've been closer. Keep in mind you guys recently lost to Alex and KC a few weeks ago. For whatever reason, Alex has had more success against you guys when it comes to winning games. Kaepernick has played like complete crap against you guys and I don't think we'll ever have much success against Seattle until Kaepernick gets over his seattle fear or is replaced.

Pre-Russell Wilson so doesn't matter to us. But hey, if it gives you and your team that split between Carroll and Hardouche that you apparently want quite badly, by all means feel free to count it.

That doesn't matter too much to me. I just included it because that's when the rivalry really started to take form. If you remember, Scott Mccloughan said the hawks were going to beat the hell out of us in our december game of 2011 up in Seattle. Scott had recently been let go or fired by the Niners because of alcohol problems or something and had just joined Seattle. The niner players took this personally, and I believe Anthony Davis told Scott to eat shit over twitter after they had won in Seattle. Also the PC vs JH rivalry carried over from college into the NFL and it really helped spark the intense rivalry/hate between the two teams in 2011 when he got here. I remember fellow Niner fans in 2011 constantly making fun of PC, saying Harbaugh owned PC. Now the situation has reversed and Niner fans weren't expecting it. At the time most Niner fans thought we would control the West for the foreseeable future under Harbaugh but it only lasted 2 years and Niner fans have trouble coping.

I personally would like JH fired because the offense is terrible and we need a new coaching staff there.

Alex Smith and his 11 completions had very little to do with the Chiefs winning the game. Alex Smith is RARELY a reason his teams win.

 

[Scottemojo]

Translation: They beats us less bads than they beats U!

 

[RationalNiner]

Alex Smith and his 11 completions had very little to do with the Chiefs winning the game. Alex Smith is RARELY a reason his teams win.

For the most part, yes, but he's had some decent games against Seattle. I still remember the 06 season when Alex won in Seattle after breaking a possible sack and hitting Gore for a td pass. I believe he also rushed for a TD in the game. I just think he does a better job of not losing the game with dumb turnovers, especially against Seattle cause he doesn't make dumb decisions.

Either way, yes, very limited QB. Not sure we would've won with Alex at QB anyway during the 2012-13 season but I don't think the games up in Seattle during the regular season would've been as bad.

 

[oldhawkfan]

After a decade of multiple 1st round pics the Rams are poised for a run, but are short in QB talent.

One could argue that the Seahawks are also short in QB talent.

 

[Ramfan128]

So it cracks me up that all off season, all we heard about was the 49ers and Seahawks, and how dominant those two are. And don't get me wrong, I know there is some hatred there.

And then how they've supplanted Pittsburgh and Baltimore as the best NFL rivalry.

But if you actually look at the results, Seattle has completely dominated SF....

Point differentials in order beginning in Russel Wilson's rookie year:

SF by 6 (in SF)

SEA by 29 (in SEA)

SEA by 26 (in SEA)

SF by 2 (in SF)

SEA by 6 (In SEA - playoffs)

SEA by 16 (in SF)


With the 7th meeting in three years coming in 9 days....in Seattle....after they already beat down the Niners in SF this year.

In 6 games, 3 home games for each team, Seattle is 4-2 with the two losses coming by a combined 8 points. Seattle is plus 69, for an average margin of victory of 11.5 pts


Long story short, the Niners are not on Seattle's level. Not even close. By comparison, let's see how my Rams have done against Wilson and the Seahawks. Point differentials for Rams/Seahawks beginning Russel Wilson's rookie year:

STL by 6 (STL)

SEA by 7 (SEA)

SEA by 5 (STL)

SEA by 18 (SEA)

STL by 2 (STL)


It's important to note that three of these games were played by Kellen Clemens/Austin Davis. Anyway, through 5 contests thus far, SEA is plus 22, for an average margin of victory of 5.4 pts


I'll even go on to guess that Niners lose in Seattle worse than we will in week 17.

Kaepernick looks bad, Harbaugh is all but out the door.

And while we're on the topic of the NFC West, I have never seen Arizona as a credible threat. Arians has done a good job, but I see the Rams and Seahawks as the teams at the top after this year.

Spot on.

I was posting this same thing, though less detailed, last week. Going so far as to suggest SF may be better off with Gabbert at the Clink. I predict the Niners are about to take a whupping of epic proportions, even if Pete tries to sit on a lead or even if he tries to keep the score down.

When we return from Philly (healthy) a real line should look like Hawks -13. BUT...I think it will open at Hawks -6.5 / 7. SF, for several reasons, blindly draws a ton of weekly action. And that's wonderful. Hawk bettors. couldn't ask for a better situation. Typical, heavy betting on SF will keep the line deflated but I won't be surprised if the big money drives it to Hawks -10 by game time, and even then, that will still be solid value, imo.

IF Pete takes the reigns off, I predict a 3 TD win and quite possibly the (temporary) end to this "fierce rivalry". I mean no disrespect to our Niner posters here, but SF has been reduced to a middle of the road team and with so much at stake, we won't be played tight by some middle of the road team. Like Sherm once so eloquently stated: "Mismatch".

Haha ok where to start.

A rivalry yes i feel its always a rivalry between NFCW teams. News flash none of them exactly like each other.
My Niners are the Hawks Bitches as of now. No changing that.

Middle of the road team.
Sad to say yes. And i see a waaay worse score when the Seattle San Fran game hits soon.

I see a healthy hungry seahawk team that will jot be stopped. The offense does not have to be perfect because they play like a team not a bunch of individuals. Ya you Kap.

So all in all great win ramfan beating the hawks. Big props to a win against a super bowl caliber team using trick plays and good D.

I wish my team could do 2 to 4 trick plays a game and win. Maybe then we would have a better record.

Well, I don't think we used any trick plays to win in SF this year

Hey, I'm not saying "The Rams are the best team in the NFCW!" - I am not delusional. Just wanted to point out that in the last six games, there have been as many blow outs as there have been close games between SF and SEA. When Pittsburgh and Baltimore were at the height up their rivalry, literally every game was decided by one possession.

And I guess if I'm being honest, I will always hate the Niners the most of any NFL team. We have played over 130 times, and I suppose this post was just a shot at the Niners.

 

[rlkats]

So it cracks me up that all off season, all we heard about was the 49ers and Seahawks, and how dominant those two are. And don't get me wrong, I know there is some hatred there.

And then how they've supplanted Pittsburgh and Baltimore as the best NFL rivalry.

But if you actually look at the results, Seattle has completely dominated SF....

Point differentials in order beginning in Russel Wilson's rookie year:

SF by 6 (in SF)

SEA by 29 (in SEA)

SEA by 26 (in SEA)

SF by 2 (in SF)

SEA by 6 (In SEA - playoffs)

SEA by 16 (in SF)


With the 7th meeting in three years coming in 9 days....in Seattle....after they already beat down the Niners in SF this year.

In 6 games, 3 home games for each team, Seattle is 4-2 with the two losses coming by a combined 8 points. Seattle is plus 69, for an average margin of victory of 11.5 pts


Long story short, the Niners are not on Seattle's level. Not even close. By comparison, let's see how my Rams have done against Wilson and the Seahawks. Point differentials for Rams/Seahawks beginning Russel Wilson's rookie year:

STL by 6 (STL)

SEA by 7 (SEA)

SEA by 5 (STL)

SEA by 18 (SEA)

STL by 2 (STL)


It's important to note that three of these games were played by Kellen Clemens/Austin Davis. Anyway, through 5 contests thus far, SEA is plus 22, for an average margin of victory of 5.4 pts


I'll even go on to guess that Niners lose in Seattle worse than we will in week 17.

Kaepernick looks bad, Harbaugh is all but out the door.

And while we're on the topic of the NFC West, I have never seen Arizona as a credible threat. Arians has done a good job, but I see the Rams and Seahawks as the teams at the top after this year.

Spot on.

I was posting this same thing, though less detailed, last week. Going so far as to suggest SF may be better off with Gabbert at the Clink. I predict the Niners are about to take a whupping of epic proportions, even if Pete tries to sit on a lead or even if he tries to keep the score down.

When we return from Philly (healthy) a real line should look like Hawks -13. BUT...I think it will open at Hawks -6.5 / 7. SF, for several reasons, blindly draws a ton of weekly action. And that's wonderful. Hawk bettors. couldn't ask for a better situation. Typical, heavy betting on SF will keep the line deflated but I won't be surprised if the big money drives it to Hawks -10 by game time, and even then, that will still be solid value, imo.

IF Pete takes the reigns off, I predict a 3 TD win and quite possibly the (temporary) end to this "fierce rivalry". I mean no disrespect to our Niner posters here, but SF has been reduced to a middle of the road team and with so much at stake, we won't be played tight by some middle of the road team. Like Sherm once so eloquently stated: "Mismatch".

Haha ok where to start.

A rivalry yes i feel its always a rivalry between NFCW teams. News flash none of them exactly like each other.
My Niners are the Hawks Bitches as of now. No changing that.

Middle of the road team.
Sad to say yes. And i see a waaay worse score when the Seattle San Fran game hits soon.

I see a healthy hungry seahawk team that will jot be stopped. The offense does not have to be perfect because they play like a team not a bunch of individuals. Ya you Kap.

So all in all great win ramfan beating the hawks. Big props to a win against a super bowl caliber team using trick plays and good D.

I wish my team could do 2 to 4 trick plays a game and win. Maybe then we would have a better record.

Well, I don't think we used any trick plays to win in SF this year

Hey, I'm not saying "The Rams are the best team in the NFCW!" - I am not delusional. Just wanted to point out that in the last six games, there have been as many blow outs as there have been close games between SF and SEA. When Pittsburgh and Baltimore were at the height up their rivalry, literally every game was decided by one possession.

And I guess if I'm being honest, I will always hate the Niners the most of any NFL team. We have played over 130 times, and I suppose this post was just a shot at the Niners.

All joking aside. The rams are a qb away from being scary.

My whole family are rams fans so im the only niners fan. Guess i was the smart one lol.