Steelers vs Browns: TNF

[chris98251]

Look, I get that Rudolph is not blameless here.

But how is three games justified? He was on his back clawing at MG's helmet but not removing it. Once helmetless, he got up and talked s to MG.

I can see one game, but three seems excessive.

Well if he would not have tried to remove Garretts Helmet maybe Garrett would not have removed his, that's kind of what started it wasn't it and the attempt to kick him in the nuts, that's two attempts by Rudolph to do something. So really he should have the same suspension as Garrett since his action instigated the whole fracas.

Garrett gets blamed for Successfully taking off his helmet and using it, but I don't think he goes there without Rudolph attempting to rip off his.

 

[RolandDeschain]

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Look, I get that Rudolph is not blameless here.

But how is three games justified? He was on his back clawing at MG's helmet but not removing it. Once helmetless, he got up and talked s to MG.

I can see one game, but three seems excessive.

Well if he would not have tried to remove Garretts Helmet maybe Garrett would not have removed his, that's kind of what started it wasn't it and the attempt to kick him in the nuts, that's two attempts by Rudolph to do something. So really he should have the same suspension as Garrett since his action instigated the whole fracas.

Garrett gets blamed for Successfully taking off his helmet and using it, but I don't think he goes there without Rudolph attempting to rip off his.

The "nut meme" keeps coming up all over Twitter.

But it's very difficult to say whether MR in fact even touched the specific area let alone whether he intended to target that area. For much of that, MR's vision was obstructed.

It's equally plausible that MR was reacting blindsided to being hauled up by the helmet. It's impossible to say whether it was a deliberate act.

MR's attempt to remove MG's helmet, though--that was deliberately dangerous. And that's pretty much the only obvious and egregious rule violation here unlike the alleged s-talk and kick-balls.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

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[5_Golden_Rings]

I think it's funny how people are saying "why tackle him like that up 14 points with 10 seconds left to play" when basically the exact same argument can be made to question why the Steelers were throwing the ball if the game was over.

Rudolph instigated it by yanking on Garrett's helmet and supposedly trying to kick him in the nuts. Garrett took it too far when he had the helmet in his hand and tried to bash Rudolph when he rushed him (why he decided to rush him with no helmet on is beyond me, maybe because he felt safe with his linemen holding Garrett?). That's it, though, they're both in the wrong. Both of them being at fault doesn't absolve the other of what they did.

Glad to see the suspensions handed out, but IMO Rudolph should be suspended at least a game or two. Dude's an idiot.

Garrett instigated it my suplexing Rudolph. A simple tackle would be fine. WWE? Not so much.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

I think it's funny how people are saying "why tackle him like that up 14 points with 10 seconds left to play" when basically the exact same argument can be made to question why the Steelers were throwing the ball if the game was over.

Rudolph instigated it by yanking on Garrett's helmet and supposedly trying to kick him in the nuts. Garrett took it too far when he had the helmet in his hand and tried to bash Rudolph when he rushed him (why he decided to rush him with no helmet on is beyond me, maybe because he felt safe with his linemen holding Garrett?). That's it, though, they're both in the wrong. Both of them being at fault doesn't absolve the other of what they did.

Glad to see the suspensions handed out, but IMO Rudolph should be suspended at least a game or two. Dude's an idiot.

It's not about who started it, it's about what each player actually did.

Whether Rudolph (pulling on MG's helmet) or Garrett (late hit) "started it," if it'd ended there, no one would be suspended.

Actually, if MG had just stripped the helmet, possibly still just fines.

But then MG beans Rudolph in the head with his own helmet. No matter who started it, no matter what fighting words may or may not have been uttered, no matter that MG was being restrained by DeCastro, MR was not a physical threat at that point.

I could see one game for Rudolph, but saying what he did is equivalent to MG's actions is ludicrous.

Who said they were equivalent?

 

[JGfromtheNW]

I think it's funny how people are saying "why tackle him like that up 14 points with 10 seconds left to play" when basically the exact same argument can be made to question why the Steelers were throwing the ball if the game was over.

Rudolph instigated it by yanking on Garrett's helmet and supposedly trying to kick him in the nuts. Garrett took it too far when he had the helmet in his hand and tried to bash Rudolph when he rushed him (why he decided to rush him with no helmet on is beyond me, maybe because he felt safe with his linemen holding Garrett?). That's it, though, they're both in the wrong. Both of them being at fault doesn't absolve the other of what they did.

Glad to see the suspensions handed out, but IMO Rudolph should be suspended at least a game or two. Dude's an idiot.

Garrett instigated it my suplexing Rudolph. A simple tackle would be fine. WWE? Not so much.

Garrett suplexed Rudolph? In what world? He hits him initially right after the ball is released, he doesn't know it's been released, and then he twists him down to the ground. Suplexing is picking someone up and then burying them. Rudolph was extremely frustrated and then went after Garrett, aka instigating the whole fiasco. Then apparently he tried to hit him in the nuts. Then he goes after Garrett as he's being "escorted" away by Steelers linemen.

If you think Garrett instigated it by the hit, maybe you're a contributing factor why this league is getting so soft.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Rudolph attempting to remove MG's helmet was on replay as clear and obvious as Garrett's removing Rudolph's.it's very possible that both Garrett and Rudolph would have been ejected and fined. Worst but unlikely case one game apiece.

That said, you still can't then take the helmet and swing it at someone's uncovered head. Not even if your nuts are kicked (which still isnt clear and obvious). Multiple sacks of nuts are getting kicked routinely when there's a pile for the ball, but there's not a cup-enforcement rule. It's not life-threatening.

You can't get away from the fact that this was.

Per reports, Garrett isn't planning to argue about his nuts--he's going to argue the CBA issue a finite suspension--but could end up with more games than if he'd to Goodell in the spring months later..

 

[253hawk]

Considering that Gronkowski only got a single game for power-bombing his elbow into the back of Tre'Davious White's head, 3 games seems a bit much. And neither Andre Johnson nor Cortland Finnegan got suspended for this: [youtube]Hc1vVnOPt8A[/youtube]

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Garrett, during his appeal hearing, now claiming Rudolph directed a racial slur at him.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/281 ... acial-slur


Is it just me or do you find it rather odd that he never said a word about this after the game with a hundred cameras in his face? Why do I get the feeling this is happening?..........

 

[Rat]

Garrett, during his appeal hearing, now claiming Rudolph directed a racial slur at him.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/281 ... acial-slur


Is it just me or do you find it rather odd that he never said a word about this after the game with a hundred cameras in his face? Why do I get the feeling this is happening?..........

I get that people get caught up in competition and do stupid crap, and in that sense, I had at least a tiny bit of sympathy for Garrett, but no more. He's a lowlife to be playing this card and attempting to destroy Rudolph. It just finally set in with him, after it had set in with the rest of the NFL-following population that he obliterated his wallet and legacy with one brainless swing of somebody else's helmet. His teammates have even sounded shocked to hear about this new development. It's an obvious hail mary.

Fortunately, it's 2019. Even if the mics didn't pick it up, cameras are ubiquitous and people who know how to read lips is a thing. It won't be long before everyone knows even further than Garrett is full of it.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Plus Garrett was surrounded by at least two Steelers linemen at the presumed time the slur would have been said (right before the helmet hit). And regardless, it is still a question of whether a verbal assault might have happened versus a physical assault that did.

Twitter storyline here: https://twitter.com/i/events/1197583216917401601

 

[kidhawk]

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Appeals rulings have come out.

In the end, the harsh punishment for the helmet swing stuck.

The NFL also announced appeals officer Derrick Brooks reduced the suspension of Maurkice Pouncey from three games to two games and upheld the $35,096 fine.

Earlier this week, the NFL confirmed the one-game suspension for Browns defensive lineman Larry Ogunjobi but rescinded his fine.

Other fines for the fight have yet to be handed down by the league office. NFL Network's Tom Pelissero previously reported that Rudolph is expected to be find for his role.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Garrett also got fined over $45,000 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... uspension/

Honestly the racial allegation just makes things worse. Some blue tick on Twitter is saying that all QBs are mic'd up and the slur was supposed to be before the helmet was removed. If so, the contents should be revealed.

 

[pmedic920]

Considering that Gronkowski only got a single game for power-bombing his elbow into the back of Tre'Davious White's head, 3 games seems a bit much. And neither Andre Johnson nor Cortland Finnegan got suspended for this: [youtube]Hc1vVnOPt8A[/youtube]

Because Andre gave him the beating he had coming.
Saw it live and was/is one of my all time non Seahawk football moments.

Finnegan is/was a POS imho.


Edit:
I actually have no clue why neither were suspended but it sure was satisfying to see.
Alway have admired AJ, and despised CF

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[SantaClaraHawk]

Mason Rudolph got fined $50K, more than his $38K game check.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/281 ... atform=amp

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

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Glad to see PIT Decastro not fined. He was the only adult here.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I still think Rudolph should get a suspension.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I still think Rudolph should get a suspension.

At this point, I've come to agree with you. Rudolph deserves at least one game for a) trying to pull Garrett's helmet off his head first and b)insisting on following Garrett yelling things.

I'm not gonna opine on if they were racial things. Whatever word was said still didn't merit Myles' response. But that said, it looks bad for the white instigator to not even get a game when three black players got suspended over it. Especially when the white guy clearly had a part in starting it, prolonging it and exacerbating it. That the NFL will most not do that leaves a lingering message. Not only race-related, but also "if you're a QB, you won't even get a game for this."

The message has to be sent that you don't try to mess with someone's helmet in a fight, whether you're a DE or OL or QB.