Sports Hernia
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If I'm not mistaken Howard Lincoln wasn't in the position of power that he current holds, until 2001ish......
Sports Hernia":1ihjmld0 said:If I'm not mistaken Howard Lincoln wasn't in the position of power that he current holds, until 2001ish......
chris98251":1xe2kzay said:Pat Gillick and Lou got us those wins, Lou and Pat had historic clashes with Armstrong and Lincoln but winning kept a lot under wraps, Pat and Lou both left becasue of Lincoln and Armstrong.
Uncle Si":21mamzgf said:Sports Hernia":21mamzgf said:If I'm not mistaken Howard Lincoln wasn't in the position of power that he current holds, until 2001ish......
He and Armstrong have pretty much run the show since 1993... I think he became ultimate leader in 2003?
Scottemojo":36stuwc2 said:This is an awesome expose.
Jack's moves have reeked of old baseball thinking combined with desperation. The M's have rushed players to the bigs, then punished those same players for not producing. The ignoring of advanced metrics while in the same division as the A's is such a contrast in thinking.
Happypuppy":3evl9jwu said:Scottemojo":3evl9jwu said:This is an awesome expose.
Jack's moves have reeked of old baseball thinking combined with desperation. The M's have rushed players to the bigs, then punished those same players for not producing. The ignoring of advanced metrics while in the same division as the A's is such a contrast in thinking.
Excellent post. It is the best piece of Sports investigative journalism in a long time in our area. Remember" in Jack we trust" ?
I would not sign anyone else until first we get the best GM we can so we don't get saddled with a bunch of bad deals.
Uncle Si":7sulp3pe said:A contrast that the Rangers and Angels have used to get to World Series...(just saying advanced metrics has its place in different organizations, and very rarely is it used to win championships)
I'm all for change, and running an organization like the A's (or Rays, or even the Cardinals). But we just committed to 240$ (million) in one player. As much as we want change in Jack Z, he is doing the bidding of Lincoln, who is going nowhere. Do we really want that change now?
The team needs atleast 2 more additions to compliment Cano.
Happypuppy":15wr3zos said:Uncle Si":15wr3zos said:A contrast that the Rangers and Angels have used to get to World Series...(just saying advanced metrics has its place in different organizations, and very rarely is it used to win championships)
I'm all for change, and running an organization like the A's (or Rays, or even the Cardinals). But we just committed to 240$ (million) in one player. As much as we want change in Jack Z, he is doing the bidding of Lincoln, who is going nowhere. Do we really want that change now?
The team needs atleast 2 more additions to compliment Cano.
How about this. If it does not show incompetence I do not not what does.
"By mid-day Friday, Seattle had heard that some team bid nine years and $225 million for Robinson Cano, so the Mariners upped their bid to $240 million and 10 years before apparently realizing the initial bid had come from themselves, too."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas- ... urking.ece
Uncle Si":2fp9m1un said:Happypuppy":2fp9m1un said:Scottemojo":2fp9m1un said:This is an awesome expose.
Jack's moves have reeked of old baseball thinking combined with desperation. The M's have rushed players to the bigs, then punished those same players for not producing. The ignoring of advanced metrics while in the same division as the A's is such a contrast in thinking.
Excellent post. It is the best piece of Sports investigative journalism in a long time in our area. Remember" in Jack we trust" ?
I would not sign anyone else until first we get the best GM we can so we don't get saddled with a bunch of bad deals.
A contrast that the Rangers and Angels have used to get to World Series...(just saying advanced metrics has its place in different organizations, and very rarely is it used to win championships)
I'm all for change, and running an organization like the A's (or Rays, or even the Cardinals). But we just committed to 240$ (million) in one player. As much as we want change in Jack Z, he is doing the bidding of Lincoln, who is going nowhere. Do we really want that change now?
The team needs atleast 2 more additions to compliment Cano.
Scottemojo":1vthm56d said:Uncle Si":1vthm56d said:Happypuppy":1vthm56d said:Scottemojo":1vthm56d said:This is an awesome expose.
Jack's moves have reeked of old baseball thinking combined with desperation. The M's have rushed players to the bigs, then punished those same players for not producing. The ignoring of advanced metrics while in the same division as the A's is such a contrast in thinking.
Excellent post. It is the best piece of Sports investigative journalism in a long time in our area. Remember" in Jack we trust" ?
I would not sign anyone else until first we get the best GM we can so we don't get saddled with a bunch of bad deals.
A contrast that the Rangers and Angels have used to get to World Series...(just saying advanced metrics has its place in different organizations, and very rarely is it used to win championships)
I'm all for change, and running an organization like the A's (or Rays, or even the Cardinals). But we just committed to 240$ (million) in one player. As much as we want change in Jack Z, he is doing the bidding of Lincoln, who is going nowhere. Do we really want that change now?
The team needs atleast 2 more additions to compliment Cano.
I thought they needed 2 RH bats more than anything. Cano does nothing to change that.
Personally, I think it is a mistake to assume advanced metrics is exclusive to low payroll. Boston, anyone?
But far beyond those philisophical directions, if it's true that Seattle has a culture of no dissension from the lower ranks combined with a couple of guys who micromanage the manager, there will NEVER be success in Seattle.
The Cano signing isn't the mistake, it's just a single piece of evidence that these guys are idiots. If they actually did outbid themselves, it takes on a whole new layer of ineptitude, because that would be a mistake made exclusively out of fear.
Scottemojo":3cvqvl7e said:It doesn't mean they are idiots. To my eye, it means they are desperate. If they accidentally outbid themselves, then they are idiots.
But mostly, it just appears that intellectual dishonest, and in the case of the guy accused of rape, actual dishonesty, is part of the way they do business. So thinking that the Cano move may be undone by some other crappy move is both kneejerk, but still likely accurate.
Uncle Si":4m1ws4ir said:Smelly McUgly":4m1ws4ir said:I believe that most of this is true. There is smoke here about, for example, the shift to acquiring players that hit dingers. Also, Chuck and Howard have long been incompetent in GM and managerial hires.
And the sheer number of screwups in the Josh Lueke mold set a pattern of inability to properly GM for Jack Z.
Its not a shift...these guys ran the team when we had 3 guys of 30+ and led the lead in homers (Tino junior and bones..with Edgar close)...they were running the show when we won 116. They bought Sexson and Beltre. The last ten years have been about diminishing return. Last three years about trusting the kids (and failing to offer appropriate support)
They like big hitting and pitching. They've tried to get a big hitter in here for three years and Now they have.
Key will be what's next. I'd love to see them gone. But let's not be so forgetful of who these guys are
Seriously Ms fans...