The LOB of coaching staffs?

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Now don't get me wrong. This staff hasn't proven anything and there's much they'll have to live up to for this team to be successful.

But...

When I see the group Schneider and MacDonald are putting together, it's reminiscent of the way in which the group of players that eventually became known as the LOB came together.

They were all young. All unproven. Hidden talents that were mostly overlooked by other teams. Yet the thing that bonded them and drove them was the fact that they all came in together. THEY created the identity. THEY paved their own way. They set a standard, created and then owned an approach to going about how they did things and then relished in the notoriety they achieved in their success.

It's been talked about a lot since those days, but the defining factor, in my opinion, for that era and those men is that they collectively owned something that they could claim they created. And they dominated the league with it. That kind of bond and commitment to team and teammate is unique, and the success that can come from it, self-perpetuating.

Much like those players, when this staff closes the door behind them and gets to the work of building the identity of this Seahawks team, they have the motivation of knowing that what they build is their own... and a result of the ingenuity, hard work, and talent of the men in that room.

It is incredibly motivating to step into a situation where you are part of a select group of people entrusted with not just succeeding, but creating a collective way of success that is unique to them. And that you all come in together for that express purpose. No pre existing politics. No power structure to push through. Everything they do is theirs. They own it. They build it in their own image.

Much like the LOB, this staff steps into the ring, unproven, but as a group of men assembled for the common way in which they see the game, their individual talent, and the potential they have exhibited in their respective prior posts.

And helping gel it all is the sage old veteran assistant HC; there to lend wisdom in moments when experience might be the only thing lacking. Reminds me of the role Lawyer Millot played in the early LoB days. Give the young pups the mentoring they need to elevate, quietly and from the shadows.

Sure. The whole thing could fail miserably. But it certainly doesn't have the feeling that it will. Quite the contrary, actually when you look beyond the names and observe the formula being used to put this things together.

As with the last 13 years, despite the downs and frustrations at times, the ups have been far more frequent, and incredibly satisfying. Watching how this franchise works and goes about the business of building a winner is just Cool as F.

Happy to have been born into this 'football family ' that is the Seattle Seahawks. And thankful for the opportunity to debate the game with you all. Like family, we can fight occasionally, but we are all part of the fabric of this ... 'thing', that is the Seattle Seahawks. What a gift to have been given the experience this team has provided over its existence, and especially over the last 25 years. And to now see this next generation of coaches and staff take shape behind the unique approach that has been developed here.


Like I said. Just cool as F. I'll leave it at that for now.
 

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It's looking good so far. I'll start to get really excited when I see them bring some guys in to compliment Witherspoon (Seattle's highest rated defender by PFF). When they force us to find a new nickname because they're playing so well I'll be giddy. LOB really started with Bam Bam Kam, so I'd really like to see them get a guy like that to strike fear in their opponents.
 

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It's looking good so far. I'll start to get really excited when I see them bring some guys in to compliment Witherspoon (Seattle's highest rated defender by PFF). When they force us to find a new nickname because they're playing so well I'll be giddy. LOB really started with Bam Bam Kam, so I'd really like to see them get a guy like that to strike fear in their opponents.
Kam and Browner
 

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Kam and Browner
Browner came here in 2011 and stayed for just over 2 years. Chancellor came here in 2010 and stayed his whole 9 year career. Bam Bam Kam embodied the LOB more than any of the other member of that secondary. The ferocity, the nastiness. So I'm sticking with my original statement.
 

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You ever heard the expression, “modern problems require modern solutions?”

I think this has largely been Seattle’s issue under Pete Carroll….

I’m so glad Jody Allen recognized this and made the call to move on.

It was the right time and many including myself would say it was way past long overdue!

This move has restored my confidence and hope the Seattle Seahawks can return to greatness again!

I fully believe this coaching staff they have now is very capable and ultimately very talented themselves and can restore the organization to an elite team in this league again.

Let’s gooooooo!!!!
 

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Carroll seemed to be under the assumption that they were "close" but everything we saw as fans said otherwise. 10 years later ownership made the tough decision to move on from the man who gave Seattle football it's only championship.

It's a good feeling to know they're going into the next era . It was time.
 

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Most of the fans that felt we weren't close believed that Me3 was a hall of famer that Carroll was holding back and would have been perfectly content gving him the contract he wanted and the keys to the kingdom. Most of them are still clamoring to upgrade the offense despite the defense being THE problem for the better part of a decade. Perhaps they should not be taking victory laps.
 

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Most of the fans that felt we weren't close believed that Me3 was a hall of famer that Carroll was holding back and would have been perfectly content gving him the contract he wanted and the keys to the kingdom. Most of them are still clamoring to upgrade the offense despite the defense being THE problem for the better part of a decade. Perhaps they should not be taking victory laps.

Wilson wasn't the problem, but he sure did mask a lot of them. And the people who are clamoring to upgrade the offense are mostly talking about the line because it's a legit issue. Another issue is the team has no QBOTF yet and fans are getting anxious to get one. The defense being an issue for the better part of a decade is true, but who's fault is that? I mean the head coach was supposed to be a specialist in defense and failed miserably trying to rebuild one. Does he get a pass for that?

All things said, you seem like you want Pete Carroll to still be the coach and my only question is,,,,why?
 

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Carroll seemed to be under the assumption that they were "close" but everything we saw as fans said otherwise. 10 years later ownership made the tough decision to move on from the man who gave Seattle football it's only championship.

It's a good feeling to know they're going into the next era . It was time.
Yep. The last time Pete was actually "close", along came "The Play". The rest is history.
 

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Wilson wasn't the problem, but he sure did mask a lot of them. And the people who are clamoring to upgrade the offense are mostly talking about the line because it's a legit issue. Another issue is the team has no QBOTF yet and fans are getting anxious to get one. The defense being an issue for the better part of a decade is true, but who's fault is that? I mean the head coach was supposed to be a specialist in defense and failed miserably trying to rebuild one. Does he get a pass for that?

All things said, you seem like you want Pete Carroll to still be the coach and my only question is,,,,why?
Me3 did mask a number of problems... until he got paid and became the problem. Beastmode and the read-option also masked many problems by forcing opponents to defend more things at the same time. Jeff Fisher's Rams figured out Russell very early. They knew where Russell would and wouldn't throw. So many things came together at the right time for the successes of 2012-2013-2014 to occur. Then those advantages evaporated one-by-one, rule changes, Russell's bag impacting salary cap and team overall talent level, other veterans wanting their bag, Russell wanting to "cook" and being much less of a running threat, Pete Carroll failing to adjust, etc.
 

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Kam and Browner
Yup. To me it's pointless to argue "it was all Kam". If Hawks had kept Browner, SB49 would've likely been a W. Just go watch Browner's highlight reel and enjoy the mayhem. A couple of my favorites... 1) Browner destroys like 7 guys on a punt return (vs Cards IIRC) 2) Browner destroys Patriots' Wes Welker after a short reception. Welker gets up, but you can see how hard he's fighting to not show how destructive that hit really was.

Kam's highlight reel faves... 1) Destroying Vernon Davis in that game vs the 49ers with a LEGAL hit that got flagged; 2) Smacking down Denver's pass-catcher on a pass over the middle in SB48 that set the tone where Denver's receivers didn't want to run routes over the middle anymore.

Yes, Kam actually played in playoffs and SB48, Browner didn't, suspended or whatever, so the overall greatness nod goes to Kam, no contest, but both set the tone for the LOB during the first couple years.
 

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Who would be considered the Earl Thomas of the coaching staff? Would probably have to be MacDonald. After all, Earl was an All American his last year at Texas and tore it up that college season. He was the highest regarded LOB member before the pros and it's not even close.
 

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If the talent is anything like the lob the coaches will be gone with promotions by the time the roster is reshaped to fully capitalize on it.

In two years Canales went from our qb coach of geno's rise from the ashes, to OC for the bucs then HC of the Panthers despite never being a coordinator before.

Point being, if these guys are anything like the level of hype you're attributing, I'd prepare to have feelings hurt very quickly.

Macdonald is really the only one who matters, argument can be made for Grubb since he's likely very highly paid for a coordinator, but he might not be here long either.

You can't compare players to coaches, apples and oranges for contract stipulations.

LOB never happens if other teams could promote/pay guys on our defense more either.
 

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It's looking good so far. I'll start to get really excited when I see them bring some guys in to compliment Witherspoon (Seattle's highest rated defender by PFF).

And I wouldn't put Woolen out to pasture just yet (not saying you are, just in general). I 100% feel he never fully recovered from injuries and he played tentative all season which makes fans think you suddenly suck. He doesn't. He's human and was afraid to compound his injuries which made him look soft and a poor tackler and so on. I think with a full offseason to heal, we are going to see Woolen look closer to his rookie season than he did in his sophomore season and if I am right, that is going to be one hell of a compliment to Spoon.
 

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And I wouldn't put Woolen out to pasture just yet (not saying you are, just in general). I 100% feel he never fully recovered from injuries and he played tentative all season which makes fans think you suddenly suck. He doesn't. He's human and was afraid to compound his injuries which made him look soft and a poor tackler and so on. I think with a full offseason to heal, we are going to see Woolen look closer to his rookie season than he did in his sophomore season and if I am right, that is going to be one hell of a compliment to Spoon.
Woolen missed a bunch of tackles his rookie year as well, not particularly surprising since that was his biggest criticism coming into the league.

He's NEVER going to be sherman in that regard, but he was out of position more often than his rookie campaign.

Sophomore slump is a term for a reason, motivation is real and he might have taken the rookie hype too confidantly.

Not worried at all (not saying you are, just in general) atm, if he starts the year slow or there are concerns in camp I'll start sweating.
 

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Woolen missed a bunch of tackles his rookie year as well, not particularly surprising since that was his biggest criticism coming into the league.

He's NEVER going to be sherman in that regard, but he was out of position more often than his rookie campaign.

Sophomore slump is a term for a reason, motivation is real and he might have taken the rookie hype too confidantly.

Not worried at all (not saying you are, just in general) atm, if he starts the year slow or there are concerns in camp I'll start sweating.
There is also a lot more film on them from their rookie season, so teams know how to attack them.
 

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If the talent is anything like the lob the coaches will be gone with promotions by the time the roster is reshaped to fully capitalize on it.

In two years Canales went from our qb coach of geno's rise from the ashes, to OC for the bucs then HC of the Panthers despite never being a coordinator before.

Point being, if these guys are anything like the level of hype you're attributing, I'd prepare to have feelings hurt very quickly.

Macdonald is really the only one who matters, argument can be made for Grubb since he's likely very highly paid for a coordinator, but he might not be here long either.

You can't compare players to coaches, apples and oranges for contract stipulations.

LOB never happens if other teams could promote/pay guys on our defense more either.
Do not overlook that Canales became our passing game coordinator for Wilson's best statistical season. Seeing him drop like a rock after losing Canales' influence had a lot of people in the league take notice of Canales. I would say that, more than the success with Geno, was the ,"Hey, this guy has potential," moment.
 

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And I wouldn't put Woolen out to pasture just yet (not saying you are, just in general). I 100% feel he never fully recovered from injuries and he played tentative all season which makes fans think you suddenly suck. He doesn't. He's human and was afraid to compound his injuries which made him look soft and a poor tackler and so on. I think with a full offseason to heal, we are going to see Woolen look closer to his rookie season than he did in his sophomore season and if I am right, that is going to be one hell of a compliment to Spoon.
I hope you're right but there are reasons to be skeptical, his PFF grade this year was a 67.1 which puts him #52 of 127. Not terrible but not nearly good enough. His coverage skills are good but he struggles in run defense and pass rush. Trouble is his previous season he was 69.1 for #34 of 118. That's a 3% change which is pretty minimal. So my concern is that he may only get incrementally better next year since he's been in the high 60's for both seasons and that's just not good enough.

Spoon is top 10, we can't have our other corner be #34 or #52 or they'll be targeted mercilessly every week. I'm willing to give Woolen one more year but it's make or break. MJ put up better numbers last season with a PFF grade of 77 which puts him at #20 of 127 so hopefully that continues and I wouldn't be opposed to JS taking a CB on day two of the draft.
 

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To me it's pointless to argue "it was all Kam".
That's not what I said. I said he started it all. No slight to Browner, Thomas, Sherman, Maxwell or Thurmond. They all added their skill and swagger to make the LOB what it was. But in my mind it all began with Chancellor.

If Hawks had kept Browner, SB49 would've likely been a W.
That's quite the statement and of course there's no way for anyone to be sure of it.
 
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