The massively underappreciated Brian Schottenheimer

[King Dog]

Go, go, go, go go, go, go, Schotty

Call a run play,

we gon' draft guys who play like All Day

we gon' go I-double tight,

run counter treys

And you know Russ don't give a damn

If it's a good play!

You can run on 1st and ten,

Rough up the defense,

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again.

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again.

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan.

When I pull out my plays, you see fullbacks on rubs.

When I roll out my left, it's receivers running bubbs.

Coaches heard I mess with Rex, now they want to show me love

When you win without QBs, and the media want to snub

But game ain't really changed, first downs, move up

I see Belichick with a strut that cheater get Tom prenups

If you watch how I coach you'll mistake me for a genius or hack

Been hit wit a few teams but they still want me back

In the league then the owners saying "Schotty you're dropped"

They want me, I want them to keep me like they kept Pop

And holla in New York them Jets fans'll tell ya I'm loco

And the plan is to put the rap game in a choke hold

But damn it ain't my fault when Mark Sanchez buttfumbled

I'm feelin' focused man, my money on my mind

I got 4 years on the deal and I'm still on the grind

Now Carroll said he feeling my style, he feeling my flow

Bring back the power block scheme and we're ready to go.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man, if you follow my gameplan

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan

My plays, my ways taught me the game

That bought me all the way to here

My runs, my traps, my counters, my draws

Look I got hired and I'm going nowhere

And you should love it, way more then you hate it

Why are you mad? I thought that you'd be happy we run it

I'm that spark that's gonna protect Russ for his next life

You that backseat Twitter trying to coach without insight

The game's on the line and we need a lead? It's on

I wink my eye at Chris and pretend he's Marshawn

If we're down by twenty, then continue the churn

If you're talking about scoring homie, I ain't concerned

I'm a tell you what Jeff told me cause go 'head switch the style up

If the fans wanna hate then let 'em hate

Watch the wins pile up

Or we go total sandbox and let Russ be Russ

You know where we all should be.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man

if you follow my gameplan

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan

Don't try to act like you ain't know where we been either, playa!

Establish the run all the time, playa, so it's a problem pop off, playa, Beast Mode!

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Go, go, go, go go, go, go, Schotty

Call a run play,

we gon' draft guys who play like All Day

we gon' go I-double tight,

run counter treys

And you know Russ don't give a damn

If it's a good play!

You can run on 1st and ten,

Rough up the defense,

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again.

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again.

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan.

When I pull out my plays, you see fullbacks on rubs.

When I roll out my left, it's receivers running bubbs.

Coaches heard I mess with Rex, now they want to show me love

When you win without QBs, and the media want to snub

But game ain't really changed, first downs, move up

I see Belichick with a strut that cheater get Tom prenups

If you watch how I coach you'll mistake me for a genius or hack

Been hit wit a few teams but they still want me back

In the league then the owners saying "Schotty you're dropped"

They want me, I want them to keep me like they kept Pop

And holla in New York them Jets fans'll tell ya I'm loco

And the plan is to put the rap game in a choke hold

But damn it ain't my fault when Mark Sanchez buttfumbled

I'm feelin' focused man, my money on my mind

I got 4 years on the deal and I'm still on the grind

Now Carroll said he feeling my style, he feeling my flow

Bring back the power block scheme and we're ready to go.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man, if you follow my gameplan

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan

My plays, my ways taught me the game

That bought me all the way to here

My runs, my traps, my counters, my draws

Look I got hired and I'm going nowhere

And you should love it, way more then you hate it

Why are you mad? I thought that you'd be happy we run it

I'm that spark that's gonna protect Russ for his next life

You that backseat Twitter trying to coach without insight

The game's on the line and we need a lead? It's on

I wink my eye at Chris and pretend he's Marshawn

If we're down by twenty, then continue the churn

If you're talking about scoring homie, I ain't concerned

I'm a tell you what Jeff told me cause go 'head switch the style up

If the fans wanna hate then let 'em hate

Watch the wins pile up

Or we go total sandbox and let Russ be Russ

You know where we all should be.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man

if you follow my gameplan

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan

Don't try to act like you ain't know where we been either, playa!

Establish the run all the time, playa, so it's a problem pop off, playa, Beast Mode!

wtf

 

[King Dog]

Go, go, go, go go, go, go, Schotty

Call a run play,

we gon' draft guys who play like All Day

we gon' go I-double tight,

run counter treys

And you know Russ don't give a damn

If it's a good play!

You can run on 1st and ten,

Rough up the defense,

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again.

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again.

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan.

When I pull out my plays, you see fullbacks on rubs.

When I roll out my left, it's receivers running bubbs.

Coaches heard I mess with Rex, now they want to show me love

When you win without QBs, and the media want to snub

But game ain't really changed, first downs, move up

I see Belichick with a strut that cheater get Tom prenups

If you watch how I coach you'll mistake me for a genius or hack

Been hit wit a few teams but they still want me back

In the league then the owners saying "Schotty you're dropped"

They want me, I want them to keep me like they kept Pop

And holla in New York them Jets fans'll tell ya I'm loco

And the plan is to put the rap game in a choke hold

But damn it ain't my fault when Mark Sanchez buttfumbled

I'm feelin' focused man, my money on my mind

I got 4 years on the deal and I'm still on the grind

Now Carroll said he feeling my style, he feeling my flow

Bring back the power block scheme and we're ready to go.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man, if you follow my gameplan

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll, I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan

My plays, my ways taught me the game

That bought me all the way to here

My runs, my traps, my counters, my draws

Look I got hired and I'm going nowhere

And you should love it, way more then you hate it

Why are you mad? I thought that you'd be happy we run it

I'm that spark that's gonna protect Russ for his next life

You that backseat Twitter trying to coach without insight

The game's on the line and we need a lead? It's on

I wink my eye at Chris and pretend he's Marshawn

If we're down by twenty, then continue the churn

If you're talking about scoring homie, I ain't concerned

I'm a tell you what Jeff told me cause go 'head switch the style up

If the fans wanna hate then let 'em hate

Watch the wins pile up

Or we go total sandbox and let Russ be Russ

You know where we all should be.

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man

if you follow my gameplan

You can run on 1st and ten

Rough up the defense

Look Carroll I moved the sticks when I hit them there again,

I'm into clock control,

I ain't into sequences,

So bring up an eighth man if you follow my gameplan

Don't try to act like you ain't know where we been either, playa!

Establish the run all the time, playa, so it's a problem pop off, playa, Beast Mode!

wtf

lol

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/category/ ... +and+Moore

 

[flv]

Poor netiquette to post like that. It's only 1 step better than posting longswords.

 

[flv]

I'm not a big Brian Schottenheimer fan but I was a lot kinder about his time with the Jets and Rams than other fans of those teams were after his time with them. Scottenheimer has flaws which he can't or won't address. He sticks to a game plan even if it isn't working and time remaining dictates he should change. He also has some plays in his playbook that wouldn't work at any level of football. That said he also has major strengths. He won't overlook his team's strengths or his opponent's weaknesses when it comes to planning. If your team's strength is running inside and the opponent's weakness is out-pattern passes to the TE you're going to see a lot of inside runs and out pattern passes to the TE.

As an OC he'll get you closer to 100% of what is achievable in terms of yards than coaches who want to run their own scheme regardless of personnel, or coaches who play hunches. He can keep you in games when you probably aren't good enough or shouldn't be in that game on that given Sunday. Ultimately though his flaws are a killer and in close games he'll be a sub .400 OC.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I will never be happy until the Seahawks have the #1 passing offense and #1 rushing offense.

Don't forget the #1 defense at the same time, as well. That's the only way to be happy, right there.

 

[Seanhawk]

Poor netiquette to post like that. It's only 1 step better than posting longswords.

 

[MD5eahawks]

This article was written Oct 4, 2018. Nevertheless it seems pretty spot on when it comes to Shotty.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...o-teams-keep-hiring-brian-schottenheimer/amp/

Through his career as an NFL offensive coordinator, his teams have never finished in the top 10 in total yards, and only once—with the 2008 Jets—in the top 10 in total points. More often, his offenses will finish in the bottom third of the NFL in both categories, and the passing offenses have lagged severely behind.

The top 10 in points has now happened twice in his career when including the 2018 Hawks. I don't think it's a coincidence that both of those teams featured a dynamic QB. Favre and Wilson. So there's that.

 

[Jville]

This article was written Oct 4, 2018. Nevertheless it seems pretty spot on when it comes to Shotty.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...o-teams-keep-hiring-brian-schottenheimer/amp/

Through his career as an NFL offensive coordinator, his teams have never finished in the top 10 in total yards, and only once—with the 2008 Jets—in the top 10 in total points. More often, his offenses will finish in the bottom third of the NFL in both categories, and the passing offenses have lagged severely behind.

The top 10 in points has now happened twice in his career when including the 2018 Hawks. I don't think it's a coincidence that both of those teams featured a dynamic QB. Favre and Wilson. So there's that.

Always appreciate links.

I would only point out, that the October article was but a review of play thru September with a new offensive line coach, coordinator and offensive. Much of September was spent sorting out the offense. What followed September was a much more complete insight into things to come from Schottenheimer and Carroll working together.

 

[flv]

[/quote]
lol. I was referring to ascii longswords. I've seen them thousands of lines long. Absolute thread killers.

 

[chris98251]

[/quote]
lol. I was referring to ascii longswords. I've seen them thousands of lines long. Absolute thread killers.[/quote]

Yes but that Long Sword can kill more then just a thread :)

 

[John63]

I'm not a big Brian Schottenheimer fan but I was a lot kinder about his time with the Jets and Rams than other fans of those teams were after his time with them. Scottenheimer has flaws which he can't or won't address. He sticks to a game plan even if it isn't working and time remaining dictates he should change. He also has some plays in his playbook that wouldn't work at any level of football. That said he also has major strengths. He won't overlook his team's strengths or his opponent's weaknesses when it comes to planning. If your team's strength is running inside and the opponent's weakness is out-pattern passes to the TE you're going to see a lot of inside runs and out pattern passes to the TE.

As an OC he'll get you closer to 100% of what is achievable in terms of yards than coaches who want to run their own scheme regardless of personnel, or coaches who play hunches. He can keep you in games when you probably aren't good enough or shouldn't be in that game on that given Sunday. Ultimately though his flaws are a killer and in close games he'll be a sub .400 OC.

Not sure in close games he will be .400 here. In the end the one thing we do know about PC is if it is close he will take the leash of Wilson, and with no leash Wilson will win more than he will loose. The problem is we don't need to be playing as many close games as we do, if they just removed the leash from the beginning of the game.

 

[John63]

This article was written Oct 4, 2018. Nevertheless it seems pretty spot on when it comes to Shotty.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...o-teams-keep-hiring-brian-schottenheimer/amp/

Through his career as an NFL offensive coordinator, his teams have never finished in the top 10 in total yards, and only once—with the 2008 Jets—in the top 10 in total points. More often, his offenses will finish in the bottom third of the NFL in both categories, and the passing offenses have lagged severely behind.

The top 10 in points has now happened twice in his career when including the 2018 Hawks. I don't think it's a coincidence that both of those teams featured a dynamic QB. Favre and Wilson. So there's that.

Proving he needs a great QB to even fun an okay offense.

 

[MD5eahawks]

This article was written Oct 4, 2018. Nevertheless it seems pretty spot on when it comes to Shotty.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/...o-teams-keep-hiring-brian-schottenheimer/amp/

Through his career as an NFL offensive coordinator, his teams have never finished in the top 10 in total yards, and only once—with the 2008 Jets—in the top 10 in total points. More often, his offenses will finish in the bottom third of the NFL in both categories, and the passing offenses have lagged severely behind.

The top 10 in points has now happened twice in his career when including the 2018 Hawks. I don't think it's a coincidence that both of those teams featured a dynamic QB. Favre and Wilson. So there's that.

Proving he needs a great QB to even fun an okay offense.

Simple and obvious. Sometimes people can't see what's in front of their face. I think the "his offenses will finish in the bottom third of the NFL in both categories, and the passing offenses have lagged severely behind" portion should be what raises the eyebrows.

 

[flv]

Scottenheimer's record in close games, (games decided by 8 points or less), is far better than I thought it was. He was 25-22 with the Jets during their 51-45 overall record, and he was 8-10-1 with the Rams during their 20-27-1 overall record. I can't say it was his offense or the team's defense that was ultimately responsible, and i'm still not a big fan, but labelling him as a sub .400 coach is close games is unjustified.

...even if the Seahawks were 5-6 in 1-score games last year.

 

[Smellyman]

He is below average.

Bev+Solari is probably better than Schotty+Solari

Solari is the real hero.

If Schotty's name was John Smith he'd be coaching at some directional school by now.

 

[3Girls'HawkDad]

agreed.

It's not like the guy got his job due to nepotism.

When I think under appreciated, the name Schottenheimer is right at the top of the list. List also includes Freddie Prinze, Jr. Think of what they have brought to the world

 

[RolandDeschain]

Bev+Solari is probably better than Schotty+Solari

Absolutely not.

 

[Fade]

He Marty ball'd the Seahawks right out of the playoffs, there is nothing to appreciate. He is still better than Bevell, but that isn't saying much.

OP should be praising Mike Solari instead. He is the biggest reason why they improved.


@Tical.

Russell Wilson doesn't need an elite running game to be an elite PA passer. He was better in 2016 with an anemic running game.

Wilson is a beast that props up the under performers around him, he has been doing it his whole career. You should apreciate that more.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF_Seahawks/status/1141450260218204160[/tweet]




Sam Gold recently did a breakdown on Luck vs Wilson as pure passers, factoring in scheme.Sam Gold pointed out how their inefficient scheme puts Wilson in constant 3rd and longs, and then Wilson bails them out.

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Wilson consistently has less open receivers, worse O-Line, and unoptimal play calling.

Wilson is by no means perfect, he has his flaws, as every elite QB does. But make no mistake, Wilson last year propped up a 5-11 type of offense and made it a respectable 10-6 type of offense.

The defense is going to have to win the championships, as Pete has too tight of a leash on the O, for them to ever maximize their true ceiling.

That is where everyone's energy needs to lie. Getting the defense to an elite level again. That will be the difference if the Seahawks ever become a dominant team again. It has to happen on defense.

 

[Smellyman]

Great video.

Can we trade for Reich? schotty is an unimaginative turd. Spot on at the beginning, 'wasting Wilson's talents.'