Vikings got Sheldon

[King Dog]

Thanks McDowell

 

[Seymour]

What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.

FO flipped out on the Malik Injury, we would have been fine.

Yep. It comes full circle back to the McDowell and taking risks on red flag morons effect. Lose McDowell, lose Kearse, Lose Richardson, lose another 2nd, miss the playoffs, blow up the team and coaching staff.

This whole mess is all tied heavily to the McDowell pick / reach / blunder.

 

[JimmyG]

$11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.

Also, on this topic...

... every time we trade away a pick, there's always marginalizing of what we gave up. "Well, our first round pick is so late in the first, it's basically a second. When you think about that, it's not so bad."

But then when we talk about compensation picks -- despite the fact that they come super late, e.g. last year a 3rd round comp pick was as late as pick #107 in the draft, a 4th round comp pick was as late as #144 -- we assert that round like it's super valuable.

Lots of flip-flopping to minimize what we gave up.

Not impressed with this trade by Schneider.

 

[hawknation2018]

Graham and S. Richardson should each net 4th round comp picks (at a minimum). P. Richardson should net a 5th or 6th.

Dickson's contract is probably structured in such a way that it won't cancel out any of the three comp picks, ie. he is valued as a 7th and only cancels out one of our other free agents (Shead, Willson, Joeckel, Aboushi, Lacy, etc.)

Shead signed a deal for $3,350,000, which is on par with Dickson's deal.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/974741755101831168[/tweet]

It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.

What hurts?

The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

 

[vin.couve12]

It's not on McDowell or the McDowell pick. The FO behaved like a desparate divorcee. This is on them.

 

[vin.couve12]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/974741755101831168[/tweet]

It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.

What hurts?

The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

This too. There's a whole lot of chance involved.

 

[jammerhawk]

Doubt that Schneider was the driving force wanting the trade for Richardson to happen, this is Harvinesque and has Pete’s Big Balls prints all over it. They traded a 2nd for a possible 4th and one year of Sheldon at $8 mil./year. Seems like a bad deal created by critical need.

It’s done, time to move on..

 

[fridayfrenzy]

What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.

I honestly don't see how its a terrible trade.

 

[Seymour]

What an awful trade. 2nd round plus 8m for marginal impact. Now we will be lucky to even net a 4th round comp.

I honestly don't see how its a terrible trade.

Can you see the rainbow in your avatar?

 

[Kinger95]

McDowell has actually caused a chain reaction of complete garbage. Let’s say we had picked LT Cam Robinson at 34 instead of moving down 1 spot just so we could pick up mike Tyson. We wouldn’t have had to traded a 2nd and 3rd for Duane brown. We would have had like 6 mill more cap space that we could have spent on defense and we wouldn’t have likely made the trade for Sheldon

McDowell obviously wasn’t hurt when we drafted him and I don’t blame him or the front office I’m just saying it’s crazy how that pick altered everything

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/974741755101831168[/tweet]

It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.

What hurts?

The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

It hurts because the whole Richardson trade was a reaction for Malik getting hurt and wanting to get rid of Kearse. The FO wanted to go all in in 2017 for a deep playoff hunt but didn't even make it in the first place.

 

[Seymour]

Doubt that Schneider was the driving force wanting the trade for Richardson to happen, this is Harvinesque and has Pete’s Big Balls prints all over it. They traded a 2nd for a possible 4th and one year of Sheldon at $8 mil./year. Seems like a bad deal created by critical need.

It’s done, time to move on..

Exactly. This is a BBP cruise missile pointed directly at Pauls submarine.

 

[KitsapGuy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/974745313285042176[/tweet]

 

[fridayfrenzy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/974741755101831168[/tweet]

It hurts even more when you say it out aloud.

What hurts?

The Hawks get a comp pick which is conveniently left out of this analysis. Kearse wasn't very good, and not sure how Paul Richardson leaving in free agency is even relevant.

Richardson and a 3rd/4th comp pick for a 2nd and Kearse.

Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

It hurts because the whole Richardson trade was a reaction for Malik getting hurt and wanting to get rid of Kearse. The FO wanted to go all in in 2017 for a deep playoff hunt but didn't even make it in the first place.

Disregarding the unfortunate injuries which was a big reason they didn't make a deep playoff hunt, what is bad about the trade?

In the deal they moved down from 2nd to the 3rd round in the draft (depending on comp pick) and lost Kearse a player who wasn't playing well at all and would probably have been cut this offseason anyways.

 

[JimmyG]

Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

Comp picks are fine, but fans exaggerate their value. First of all, they are at the very, very end of the round they are awarded in. Let's say it ends up being only a 4th round compensation pick (only 11 3rds were awarded last year so it's possible), it has very little value -- at that point, it's basically the equivalent of two six rounders (according to draft value chart). Hindsight or not, we're now without pick #49 overall.

Second of all, comp picks are not guaranteed. Sheldon Richardson is now gone and we don't have a replacement for him. Now the front office is handcuffed, because if they want to go and sign someone like Ndamukong Suh they're going to forfeit the compensation pick they would've received (i.e. compensation picks can be canceled out).

We don't even have a compensation pick for him yet and you're acting like it's in the bag already. People were acting like it was in the bag when this trade happened months ago. Stop minimizing what we gave up.

 

[hawknation2018]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/974740425142624256[/tweet]

So two 4th round comps for Jimmy/Sheldon and a possible 5th for Paul. Mingo should cancel out Shead. Not sure who Dickson would cancel out, yet.

I don't think chasing compensatory picks is normally the best way to improve a team, but those three picks could help a little in the future.

 

[DJrmb]

$11M for Sheldon means 4th rd not a 3rd compensatory. He basically chose the better team. He knows Hawks window has closed.

Also, on this topic...

... every time we trade away a pick, there's always marginalizing of what we gave up. "Well, our first round pick is so late in the first, it's basically a second. When you think about that, it's not so bad."

But then when we talk about compensation picks -- despite the fact that they come super late, e.g. last year a 3rd round comp pick was as late as pick #107 in the draft, a 4th round comp pick was as late as #144 -- we assert that round like it's super valuable.

Lots of flip-flopping to minimize what we gave up.

Not impressed with this trade by Schneider.

You've got "flip-flopping" on both sides. Everyone acting like Kearse was some valuable asset that we "lost" in the SR trade is just as guilty. Before the trade almost every person on here wanted Kearse cut if not traded.

The trade basically came down to swapping a 2nd round pick for a late 3rd/4th to rent Richardson for a year. That's not that bad a deal, especially when you factor in McDowell being lost to injury. If anything you should be more upset they were relying so much on one guy (McDowell) that when he went down they got desperate.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Hindsight is 20/20 but the front office couldn't predict the secondary being decimated with injuries.

We don't even have a compensation pick for him yet and you're acting like it's in the bag already. People were acting like it was in the bag when this trade happened months ago. Stop minimizing what we gave up.

Trades happen with the information you have at that moment. The trade happened and it was a slam dunk. The fact the Seahawks had injuries or played poorly afterwards is not a reflection on the trade itself.

If the Hawks won the Superbowl last year then people'e tune would be it was worth it to go for it. The FO made a choice to give them the best team last year and it didn't turn out. How the season actually ended has nothing to do with the trade.

 

[Kinger95]

To be fair the front office was expecting us to be picking around pick 55-60 in the second round this year and Sheldon is way better than anything there odds are( draft odds are all over the place) . Hurts because we missed the playoffs and we could use that pick to fill a lot of spots but if we won a playoff game it’s a different story. Heck we were 9-7 the same record the bills made the playoffs with so it wasn’t a disaster like it feels like. The bengals, bills, lions and browns haven’t won a playoff game in 200 years so taking risks to win isn’t all that bad