Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...getnasty":1g08n2py said:If any other team hired BS all of .net would be laughing their ass off at this grade, but because he's ours we need to hold off judgement.
DJrmb":2c7yrz2p said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...getnasty":2c7yrz2p said:If any other team hired BS all of .net would be laughing their ass off at this grade, but because he's ours we need to hold off judgement.
Pete was not successful in the NFL. You have to remember this was not too long after Saban got laughed out of the NFL back to college and the popular opinion was that college coaches couldn't really succeed in the NFL. It was not a popular hire at all. Don't you remember that?getnasty":3s2rgqen said:DJrmb":3s2rgqen said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...getnasty":3s2rgqen said:If any other team hired BS all of .net would be laughing their ass off at this grade, but because he's ours we need to hold off judgement.
Except that Pete was successful and BS has never shown to be anything other then mediocre at best.
getnasty":1700pxki said:DJrmb":1700pxki said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...getnasty":1700pxki said:If any other team hired BS all of .net would be laughing their ass off at this grade, but because he's ours we need to hold off judgement.
Except that Pete was successful and BS has never shown to be anything other then mediocre at best.
DJrmb":2a27ww9m said:Pete was not successful in the NFL. You have to remember this was not too long after Saban got laughed out of the NFL back to college and the popular opinion was that college coaches couldn't really succeed in the NFL. It was not a popular hire at all. Don't you remember that?getnasty":2a27ww9m said:DJrmb":2a27ww9m said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...getnasty":2a27ww9m said:If any other team hired BS all of .net would be laughing their ass off at this grade, but because he's ours we need to hold off judgement.
Except that Pete was successful and BS has never shown to be anything other then mediocre at best.
DJrmb":1pqcnaav said:Pete was not successful in the NFL. You have to remember this was not too long after Saban got laughed out of the NFL back to college and the popular opinion was that college coaches couldn't really succeed in the NFL. It was not a popular hire at all. Don't you remember that?getnasty":1pqcnaav said:DJrmb":1pqcnaav said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...getnasty":1pqcnaav said:If any other team hired BS all of .net would be laughing their ass off at this grade, but because he's ours we need to hold off judgement.
Except that Pete was successful and BS has never shown to be anything other then mediocre at best.
Scorpion05":tnax6b96 said:DJrmb":tnax6b96 said:Pete was not successful in the NFL. You have to remember this was not too long after Saban got laughed out of the NFL back to college and the popular opinion was that college coaches couldn't really succeed in the NFL. It was not a popular hire at all. Don't you remember that?getnasty":tnax6b96 said:DJrmb":tnax6b96 said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...
Except that Pete was successful and BS has never shown to be anything other then mediocre at best.
This is a gross exaggeration
Pete had one really bad season to start his head coaching career. Then, he led the Patriots to a division title one year, and made the playoffs the following year. His last season with the Patriots the next year was 8-8.
Then Pete went to USC, succeeded, came back, succeeded with the Hawks. He got lucky with Russell Wilson, but without him I still believes he leads us to a few division titles. He was also revered as a really good CB coach
So at the very least, Pete showed SOME glimmer of success. I don't think it's fair to say people are being unfair to Schotty. To believe in him you need blind faith. I will say, looking back at some his games he really did call some good games. I think of the Jets-Lions overtime game, or the Jets-Chargers playoff game. Both were pretty well called by Schotty. He's had some really good wins. I think Pete is betting that not only has Schotty grown, but Russell Wilson will be the most consistent QB he's ever had
Pete Carroll was also a really effective defensive coordinator in the NFL, as well as a revered DB coach. Carroll at least had a history of success in the NFL, and in the NCAA he also built one of the strongest college programs. In the NFL he was around a .500 coach before he came to the Seahawks.Scorpion05":ym9hrd2o said:DJrmb":ym9hrd2o said:Pete was not successful in the NFL. You have to remember this was not too long after Saban got laughed out of the NFL back to college and the popular opinion was that college coaches couldn't really succeed in the NFL. It was not a popular hire at all. Don't you remember that?getnasty":ym9hrd2o said:DJrmb":ym9hrd2o said:Could have said the same thing about Pete when he was hired. As a matter of fact a lot here said he was just running from the USC investigations/sanctions as did the media. I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do or think, but if you learn anything from recent history it would say not to go with the popular opinion when it comes to this team...
Except that Pete was successful and BS has never shown to be anything other then mediocre at best.
This is a gross exaggeration
Pete had one really bad season to start his head coaching career. Then, he led the Patriots to a division title one year, and made the playoffs the following year. His last season with the Patriots the next year was 8-8.
Then Pete went to USC, succeeded, came back, succeeded with the Hawks. He got lucky with Russell Wilson, but without him I still believes he leads us to a few division titles. He was also revered as a really good CB coach
So at the very least, Pete showed SOME glimmer of success. I don't think it's fair to say people are being unfair to Schotty. To believe in him you need blind faith. I will say, looking back at some his games he really did call some good games. I think of the Jets-Lions overtime game, or the Jets-Chargers playoff game. Both were pretty well called by Schotty. He's had some really good wins. I think Pete is betting that not only has Schotty grown, but Russell Wilson will be the most consistent QB he's ever had
Ditto that, what he said. Your post makes more sence than anything else I've read on this matter to date.Trrrroy said:ivotuk said:Is this the same site that"gave Seattle my worst draft grade ever!"?
And who says Russell Wilson was a bad pick?
You're quoting them? :34853_doh:
Yep. Walter also panned the Lynch trade because Lynch was "lazy" and "just not that good." Also thought the Pete Carroll hire was awful if memory serves.
So in summary he gave one of the best drafts in NFL history an F, one of the best trades in history an F, and one of the best coaching hires in history an F. If anything his hatred of this hire is a good omen.