Which WRs Do We Keep?

[seahawk12thman]

Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.

Lockette is going to make the team, not sure why this is in doubt. We should trade Kearse and keep Mathews ASSUMING he has reliable hands. Baldwin and Norwood has the same skill set as Kearse.
Harvin Yes
Richardson Yes
Norwood Yes
Baldwin Yes
Lockette Yes
Mathews or Rice Yes

Practice squad
Arceto Clark

 

[Perfundle]

Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.

It's simply lunacy to think that they'll get much for Kearse. He barely has 500 yards in two years, and that's counting postseason. As for Baldwin, why would they trade away a player they just signed?

Even if the rookies or Matthews step up, they would only be stepping up in training camp or preseason, which is a far cry from the regular season. Trading away fairly cheap, young and proven talent (despite what I said about Kearse above, he's infinitely more proven than the other three) for mere potential is simply crazy. Green Bay had a far more talented receiving corps after they won the Super Bowl. They had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Driver, Finley and the rookie Cobb, and they didn't trade anybody away. It's not like Seattle will be short on draft picks considering all the compensatory picks they'll be getting.

 

[Perfundle]

Lockette is going to make the team, not sure why this is in doubt.

Why wouldn't it be in doubt? How many yards did he save by making those special team tackles? Considering that he incurred a 15-yard penalty in the Super Bowl, I'm going to guess that he was actually a net negative overall. If Carroll keeps having Ryan intentionally not punt it very far so that the punts are easier to cover, there are plenty of several other players who could take his place without too much dropoff.

 

[Anthony!]

To me its going to be

1) Percy Harvin
2) Doug Baldwin
3) Paul Richardson
4) Jermaine Kearse
5) Kevin Norwood
6) Matthews

Rice on Pup

I think Lockette is by by, only way he stays is injury or Matthews is a bust, whish all accounts he is not.

 

[Hawks46]

ST value breaks ties; it doesn't get you on by itself at the receiver position. Lockette and Rice are not comparable in receiver skill. As purely a receiver, Lockette is a fringe NFL talent and ain't no offensive player making this team as a gunner specialist. In theory, Richardson, Norwood, even KPL or any number of rookies could fill out the gunner spot opposite Lane. Lockette still has a good a shot as most, but his two ST plays from last year aren't going to guarantee him anything. IMO, he's probably at around his ceiling as a receiver. The dude has been in the NFL for three seasons now.

That's assuming that players peak in year 3 and don't improve. If that were the case, Tate wouldn't have had the year he had last year.

Lockette was considered raw coming out of college. So was Tate to a certain degree. Thing is, if Lockette was considered the least bit polished, he never would've went undrafted with his physical skills, Keep in mind, he's still the fastest guy on the team (faster posted 40 time than Richards) and he's 6'2" and 215 pounds, which is about as large as Norwood...with Olympic class speed.

Lock hasn't been asked to win jump balls because of his skill set, but there's no reason to think he can't, or can't work on and improve that part of his game. The truth is, we only know what we see on TV and hear in the media., We can only guess as to the potential of any of these guys, how they progress, and how much they improve during practices and TC.

I know Lockette is one of the best guys on ST's, which Carroll places a large emphasis on. After that, I can't tell you how good he's getting as he's buried on the depth chart and Wilson isn't Kaepernick: he spreads the ball around. Kearse had a whopping 4 TD's in the regular season but it's all we talk about is how much he's improved (which he has). Baldwin had, what...5 ? Lockette is also a damned good downfield blocker. You're not going to get stats in this offense and I don't watch every route Lock runs, so I won't make those assumptions.

 

[Perfundle]

ST value breaks ties; it doesn't get you on by itself at the receiver position. Lockette and Rice are not comparable in receiver skill. As purely a receiver, Lockette is a fringe NFL talent and ain't no offensive player making this team as a gunner specialist. In theory, Richardson, Norwood, even KPL or any number of rookies could fill out the gunner spot opposite Lane. Lockette still has a good a shot as most, but his two ST plays from last year aren't going to guarantee him anything. IMO, he's probably at around his ceiling as a receiver. The dude has been in the NFL for three seasons now.

That's assuming that players peak in year 3 and don't improve. If that were the case, Tate wouldn't have had the year he had last year.

Lockette was considered raw coming out of college. So was Tate to a certain degree. Thing is, if Lockette was considered the least bit polished, he never would've went undrafted with his physical skills, Keep in mind, he's still the fastest guy on the team (faster posted 40 time than Richards) and he's 6'2" and 215 pounds, which is about as large as Norwood...with Olympic class speed.

Lock hasn't been asked to win jump balls because of his skill set, but there's no reason to think he can't, or can't work on and improve that part of his game. The truth is, we only know what we see on TV and hear in the media., We can only guess as to the potential of any of these guys, how they progress, and how much they improve during practices and TC.

I know Lockette is one of the best guys on ST's, which Carroll places a large emphasis on. After that, I can't tell you how good he's getting as he's buried on the depth chart and Wilson isn't Kaepernick: he spreads the ball around. Kearse had a whopping 4 TD's in the regular season but it's all we talk about is how much he's improved (which he has). Baldwin had, what...5 ? Lockette is also a damned good downfield blocker. You're not going to get stats in this offense and I don't watch every route Lock runs, so I won't make those assumptions.

You're seriously far too enthralled with pure speed. Don't you think the fact that he's the fastest receiver on the team and still couldn't manage more than 8.6% of the snaps and 5 receptions on a team that had depth issues with their WR corps raises a massive red flag on the other parts of his game? Carroll is clearly someone who will let anyone have playing time, regardless of their draft position, so the fact that he still can't get any three years in except in 5-wide sets is very telling.

 

[chris98251]

Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.

It's simply lunacy to think that they'll get much for Kearse. He barely has 500 yards in two years, and that's counting postseason. As for Baldwin, why would they trade away a player they just signed?

Even if the rookies or Matthews step up, they would only be stepping up in training camp or preseason, which is a far cry from the regular season. Trading away fairly cheap, young and proven talent (despite what I said about Kearse above, he's infinitely more proven than the other three) for mere potential is simply crazy. Green Bay had a far more talented receiving corps after they won the Super Bowl. They had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Driver, Finley and the rookie Cobb, and they didn't trade anybody away. It's not like Seattle will be short on draft picks considering all the compensatory picks they'll be getting.

Kearse has stepped up and made big plays in critical times, he was the safety net in the event Rice was injured and stepped up big, given we have Norwood and Rice Kearse has more value, Rice if healthy can give us a year while Norwood proves himself. There are plenty of teams that would value a Super Bowl impact WR and one that has had to work to get his share of minutes. We spread the ball around and run the ball, none of our receivers are 1000 yard guys so throw the 500 yds out the window. It's clutch time we ask these guys to step up and the big play. Kearse has shown the ability to do both.

Kearse was a UDFA, getting anything close to mid round and up is making bank.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Lockette would have no problem making it if he could catch the ball consistently. It's kinda important when you are a wide receiver.

 

[Perfundle]

Kearse has stepped up and made big plays in critical times, he was the safety net in the event Rice was injured and stepped up big, given we have Norwood and Rice Kearse has more value, Rice if healthy can give us a year while Norwood proves himself.

No one knows how healthy RIce will be, or Harvin for that matter.

There are plenty of teams that would value a Super Bowl impact WR and one that has had to work to get his share of minutes.

Given how poor Denver's pass defense was, there are quite a lot of receivers that could have made an impact. His contributions mainly occurred after the game as out of hand, in any case, and he couldn't hang on to a touchdown when the game was still close. As for working for his share of the minutes, that's not how other teams will see it. They'll see a player put into service mainly because of the lack of depth on Seattle. They'll take note of the fact that when Harvin came back in the Super Bowl, Kearse only received one third of the snaps.

We spread the ball around and run the ball, none of our receivers are 1000 yard guys so throw the 500 yds out the window. It's clutch time we ask these guys to step up and the big play. Kearse has shown the ability to do both.

Kearse was a UDFA, getting anything close to mid round and up is making bank.

Baldwin has shown the ability to do both much better than Kearse did, and for three straight years. No one even showed n interest in offering a second round pick for him. The team that values him the most is the Seahawks themselves.

 

[chris98251]

Kearse has stepped up and made big plays in critical times, he was the safety net in the event Rice was injured and stepped up big, given we have Norwood and Rice Kearse has more value, Rice if healthy can give us a year while Norwood proves himself.

No one knows how healthy RIce will be, or Harvin for that matter.

There are plenty of teams that would value a Super Bowl impact WR and one that has had to work to get his share of minutes.

Given how poor Denver's pass defense was, there are quite a lot of receivers that could have made an impact. His contributions mainly occurred after the game as out of hand, in any case, and he couldn't hang on to a touchdown when the game was still close. As for working for his share of the minutes, that's not how other teams will see it. They'll see a player put into service mainly because of the lack of depth on Seattle. They'll take note of the fact that when Harvin came back in the Super Bowl, Kearse only received one third of the snaps.

We spread the ball around and run the ball, none of our receivers are 1000 yard guys so throw the 500 yds out the window. It's clutch time we ask these guys to step up and the big play. Kearse has shown the ability to do both.

Kearse was a UDFA, getting anything close to mid round and up is making bank.

Baldwin has shown the ability to do both much better than Kearse did, and for three straight years. No one even showed n interest in offering a second round pick for him. The team that values him the most is the Seahawks themselves.

Where did I say second round, I said Mid Round, and we rotate our receivers a lot, with depth it would seem you would just cut him and get nothing when there is a market for a receiver that can run, catch balls in traffic and go after jump balls, he is only going to improve as well.

Baldwin was offered a second round tender to keep him, there was interest but not at the cost of a second rounder. This draft class was deep at WR as well.

My point was mostly that we have a depth of receivers that could contribute to other teams and once things begin to shake out there is a possibility of getting something for a couple versus letting them just walk. There are still teams that need WR help andwe have two that have shown ability to make a difference that are young and have proven themselves in game, playoff, championship situations.

Oh and the game was out of hand by the end of the 1st quarter, so using your logic nothing any player did after means anything?

 

[rideaducati]

I bet there will be a trade of one of the receivers. I think they may try to get trade value out of Kearse.

I could see it. The Browns may be desperate to get a receiver.

I think Rice ends up with either Cleveland or Carolina.

 

[12thManNorth]

I think Norwood will make it too but don't forget it was just last year that we cut a 4th round WR, so it's not unfathomable if at least 2 of the 3 of Matthews/Rice/Lockette have super solid camps & preseason games

 

[Subzero717]

I think Norwood will make it too but don't forget it was just last year that we cut a 4th round WR, so it's not unfathomable if at least 2 of the 3 of Matthews/Rice/Lockette have super solid camps & preseason games

He sucked. Norwood makes the team.

 

[Perfundle]

Where did I say second round, I said Mid Round, and we rotate our receivers a lot, with depth it would seem you would just cut him and get nothing when there is a market for a receiver that can run, catch balls in traffic and go after jump balls, he is only going to improve as well.

I know you said mid-round. Baldwin is worth several rounds more than Kearse, so I'm extrapolating Kearse's trade value. If no one wants Baldwin for a 2nd they're not going to want Kearse for a 5th.

My point was mostly that we have a depth of receivers that could contribute to other teams and once things begin to shake out there is a possibility of getting something for a couple versus letting them just walk. There are still teams that need WR help andwe have two that have shown ability to make a difference that are young and have proven themselves in game, playoff, championship situations.

Yes, and the Seahawks are among them. And Seattle will get something for them even if they do let them walk: compensatory picks, like the one they'll get for Tate.

Oh and the game was out of hand by the end of the 1st quarter, so using your logic nothing any player did after means anything?

Um, no it wasn't. The score was 8-0 at that time. The game was out of hand after Harvin scored his TD. My point is that Super Bowl-impact wide receiver doesn't mean as much when it's a blowout. You can't just wave that phrase and pretend it means the same thing in all circumstances. That's why Wilson didn't win Super Bowl MVP despite his stats, because he did most of his damage after the game was out of hand.

Wide receivers fetch much less in trades that you seem to think. DeSean Jackson was released. So was Steve Smith. If teams sense that you need to get rid of a receiver they will wait you out.

 

[chris98251]

Where did I say second round, I said Mid Round, and we rotate our receivers a lot, with depth it would seem you would just cut him and get nothing when there is a market for a receiver that can run, catch balls in traffic and go after jump balls, he is only going to improve as well.

I know you said mid-round. Baldwin is worth several rounds more than Kearse, so I'm extrapolating Kearse's trade value. If no one wants Baldwin for a 2nd they're not going to want Kearse for a 5th.

My point was mostly that we have a depth of receivers that could contribute to other teams and once things begin to shake out there is a possibility of getting something for a couple versus letting them just walk. There are still teams that need WR help andwe have two that have shown ability to make a difference that are young and have proven themselves in game, playoff, championship situations.

Yes, and the Seahawks are among them. And Seattle will get something for them even if they do let them walk: compensatory picks, like the one they'll get for Tate.

Oh and the game was out of hand by the end of the 1st quarter, so using your logic nothing any player did after means anything?

Um, no it wasn't. The score was 8-0 at that time. The game was out of hand after Harvin scored his TD. My point is that Super Bowl-impact wide receiver doesn't mean as much when it's a blowout. You can't just wave that phrase and pretend it means the same thing in all circumstances. That's why Wilson didn't win Super Bowl MVP despite his stats, because he did most of his damage after the game was out of hand.

Kearse's catch during Championship game for a Touchdown was nothing then as well, also they were undrafted so comp picks would be almost nothing since they were undrafted, why you put the tender on them when they become eligible to put a value there. Baldwins was set at a second round tender. Kearse we would get nothing for since he is still set as a UDFA.

 

[General Manager]

I think Lockette will be gone unless Rice is injured and Matthews sucks. The reason is if they were serious about playing Ricardo they should have started developing him last year and there not going to sacrifice the WR position for a special teams player and that's what Lockette is right now. I don't like it I think they could have developed him better but for one reason or another it just hasn't worked with Lockette at WR.

 

[umadbrolob]

1. Harvin
2. Baldwin
3. PRich
4. Kearse
5. Taylor Price
6. Lockette
Norwood ps, Rice PUP

 

[Anthony!]

Where did I say second round, I said Mid Round, and we rotate our receivers a lot, with depth it would seem you would just cut him and get nothing when there is a market for a receiver that can run, catch balls in traffic and go after jump balls, he is only going to improve as well.

I know you said mid-round. Baldwin is worth several rounds more than Kearse, so I'm extrapolating Kearse's trade value. If no one wants Baldwin for a 2nd they're not going to want Kearse for a 5th.

My point was mostly that we have a depth of receivers that could contribute to other teams and once things begin to shake out there is a possibility of getting something for a couple versus letting them just walk. There are still teams that need WR help andwe have two that have shown ability to make a difference that are young and have proven themselves in game, playoff, championship situations.

Yes, and the Seahawks are among them. And Seattle will get something for them even if they do let them walk: compensatory picks, like the one they'll get for Tate.

Oh and the game was out of hand by the end of the 1st quarter, so using your logic nothing any player did after means anything?

Um, no it wasn't. The score was 8-0 at that time. The game was out of hand after Harvin scored his TD. My point is that Super Bowl-impact wide receiver doesn't mean as much when it's a blowout. You can't just wave that phrase and pretend it means the same thing in all circumstances. That's why Wilson didn't win Super Bowl MVP despite his stats, because he did most of his damage after the game was out of hand.

Wide receivers fetch much less in trades that you seem to think. DeSean Jackson was released. So was Steve Smith. If teams sense that you need to get rid of a receiver they will wait you out.

Actually the statement that Rw did most of his damage after the game was out of hand is wrong. Being able to hold the ball for 10 minutes in the first qtr was huge allowed our defense to rest, it set just as much a tone as our defense, basically telling their defense you cannot stop us, forcing their offense to take chances they did not want to , example going for it on 4th, if their defense was stopping our offense they would have taken the points and new game. Rw did not get the MVP more because well the guy that got it played great too, and there were a lot of the analyst who disagreed with it and said RW should have gotten it, In the end Rw will get his, but his play was huge for us in the SB.

 

[Perfundle]

Kearse's catch during Championship game for a Touchdown was nothing then as well,

The TD was great, but if you want teams to take that into consideration, then they're also going to take into consideration the fumble he had in that same game. It ended up not mattering, but it could have been disastrous.

also they were undrafted so comp picks would be almost nothing since they were undrafted, why you put the tender on them when they become eligible to put a value there. Baldwins was set at a second round tender. Kearse we would get nothing for since he is still set as a UDFA.

Sounds like you don't know how compensatory picks are awarded. Per Wikipedia, the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. It has nothing to do with their draft position. If he walks and other teams value him as much as you think they should, it will be reflected in the compensatory pick.

 

[Perfundle]

1. Harvin
2. Baldwin
3. PRich
4. Kearse
5. Taylor Price
6. Lockette
Norwood ps, Rice PUP

If Seattle likes what they see in Norwood (and by all accounts they do) there's no way he gets put on the practice squad, because another team will pick him up. Harper was far worse in camp and even he got picked up last year.