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The Bortles pick confused me, Gus could've gotten his LEO with Mack. But I guess... I mean.... Ya know.... Lol
amill87":1tv6o8xc said:Eh. I think we gotta move away from this value thing. If the Jags feel like Bortes is their guy than they made the right pick. The argument of they could've got a better player if they waited or whatever seems silly.
The draft can be a crap shoot. Can't miss prospects flame out all the time and terrible reaches turn into all pros. Assigning value before these guys hit the field as a pro is just for s and giggles.
How soon have we forgotten what a reach Russell Wilson was to many.
Hawks46":1a6rzte2 said:I'm in agreement with this. I don't put the time in scouting these guys that a lot of you guys do, but there wasn't many draftniks that didn't have Bortles as a first round pick. Thing is, Jags could've traded down, but they still wouldn't have gotten Watkins. Bortles definitely wouldn't have been there with the Jags 2nd pick.....so if he's your guy, what do you do ?
People gasp and do the "Home Alone" face because it's at #3, but honestly, they didn't have another 1st round pick. Someone drafts Bortles at 20 and no one bats an eye. They don't pick their guy at that spot, they aren't getting him, and trading down to get "true value" would still get you to lose out on Watkins. So, you're getting Watkins, or you're getting the QB you think can take you to the next level.
Now, Minny, Phi, and Miami I think whiffed on their picks. I don't know much about the Niners pick, but people seem to think it was a reach, although the NFL network analysts all gave the Niners draft an A.
tooshort":1g46lce2 said:You say a slightly better Locker, I say a slightly worse (and much less Rapey) BigBen. Then you add Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson and it makes some sense, only question I have is "does it make as much sense as Watkins, Derek Carr and Allen Robinson?"
UCF is right up the street from me and I've seen him play quite a bit over the last couple of years. I think scouts probably saw tremendous improvement in Bortles throughout his time at UCF and see no reason that will not continue into his NFL career. He's got the potential to be very good on Sundays.kearly":2yjc6n5j said:tooshort":2yjc6n5j said:You say a slightly better Locker, I say a slightly worse (and much less Rapey) BigBen. Then you add Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson and it makes some sense, only question I have is "does it make as much sense as Watkins, Derek Carr and Allen Robinson?"
I saw Bortles whiz way too many passes a car's length from open WRs to make an honest Big Ben comp. Accuracy is a major strength for Rapistberger, whereas it's the biggest issue for Bortles.
Scottemojo":1zvlbjhd said:I guess I have trouble labeling anything a reach if the same guy was not going to be there the next time you pick.
Juan James may seem likie a reach at 19, but he would not have been there in the late 2nd. In fact, after he was taken, only two tackles went in the next 40 picks, The Bama kid with the fried knee and Bitonio. I have no problem seeing why the Fins thought James would be gone the next time they picked.
ivotuk":3srumxx7 said:I was shocked the Jags took Bortles because I was so sure that Bradley would build his team like Pete did. Build a run game and defense, then insert QB to give him his best chance at success (see Mark Sanchez).
But they did get 2 very good wide receivers which I think will help a lot. I think will NFL coaching and training that Bortles will be a very good QB in the long run...if he sits behind Henne for a year or two.
Storm Johnson can develop in to a decent back but they have Toby Gerhart who will do well if he's the starter.
So I think Jacksonville saved themselves later in the draft and I don't believe it was an overreach.
Back to my choice, I think he's going to be injury prone in the NFL.
Verrett is kind of small but if he can play Wes Welker in the slot then he will have been a worthwhile pick.
It seems to me that this year teams placed less value on draft position and BPA, and put more value on need. If they needed a Right Tackle, and they didn't believe he would be there 15 - 30 spots later, then they took him. That kind of thinking makes it a little more difficult to judge teams this year.
kearly":8mwqaolh said:My opinion:
Blake Bortles. Not even the best QB in the draft, IMO. Jacksonville would have been able to get a QB in round 2 almost guaranteed. Both Watkins and Mack are super-studs and filled big needs for Jacksonville. Whoops.
Zack Martin. Seems so damn ordinary to me, what am I missing? James Carpenter with hype.
Some of those corners left the board too early, though with such a huge run on DBs early, I'll cut those teams some slack. Especially Cleveland, who reached for a corner early but still had a masterful 1st round.
DTexHawk":3pz5p106 said:kearly":3pz5p106 said:My opinion:
Blake Bortles. Not even the best QB in the draft, IMO. Jacksonville would have been able to get a QB in round 2 almost guaranteed. Both Watkins and Mack are super-studs and filled big needs for Jacksonville. Whoops.
Zack Martin. Seems so damn ordinary to me, what am I missing? James Carpenter with hype.
Some of those corners left the board too early, though with such a huge run on DBs early, I'll cut those teams some slack. Especially Cleveland, who reached for a corner early but still had a masterful 1st round.
So hard to judge a draft before the player ever attends a practice.
Anyone want to adjust their thoughts?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000452986/article/2014-allpro-teams
pehawk":3c0ctjqi said:DTexHawk":3c0ctjqi said:kearly":3c0ctjqi said:My opinion:
Blake Bortles. Not even the best QB in the draft, IMO. Jacksonville would have been able to get a QB in round 2 almost guaranteed. Both Watkins and Mack are super-studs and filled big needs for Jacksonville. Whoops.
Zack Martin. Seems so damn ordinary to me, what am I missing? James Carpenter with hype.
Some of those corners left the board too early, though with such a huge run on DBs early, I'll cut those teams some slack. Especially Cleveland, who reached for a corner early but still had a masterful 1st round.
So hard to judge a draft before the player ever attends a practice.
Anyone want to adjust their thoughts?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000452986/article/2014-allpro-teams
Really dude? You dug this up to specifically be a dick?