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No. Coming off his second straight super bowl win and an MVP caliber season after just 3 years in the league, Wilson will be in a position to get the biggest contract ever for a QB. The Seahawks won't have the same opt-out ability that the 49ers have with Kaep either.
But if it plays out this way...I won't even care.
You're probably right, but the Pollyanna fan in me hopes that Russell continues to change the league norms by doing something more innovative with his contract that doesn't cripple us for remaining as competitive as we are now.
You're not the "Pollyanna", the Pollyannas are those that think we can expend 15%+ on one player and it will have absolutely no detrimental effect on our chances to win Super Bowls. Due to the "Cutler market", we'll have to be like other teams and spend 24mil per year on RW. But we should also admit that it is going to make it harder to win Super Bowls. Last year we had an advantage over other good teams, in that our stars had lower salaries, so we could expend money to round out our team. We'll no longer have that advantage after 2014, and it's going to hurt. It's Pollyannish to pretend otherwise.
IMO, 2014 is our best opportunity to win another Super Bowl. After that, we'll be in salary cap purgatory like many other teams, with the resulting paper-thin depth, and huge holes in certain positions. Like the other teams with huge salaried "franchise QBs", both our depth and breadth will take a huge hit, and we'll have to hope that our franchise QB plays well enough to make up for the deficiencies. SF will be the exception, because they got a huge bargain in Kaep's deal, so they'll have both good depth and breadth of talent. I think RW > Kaep, and he'll have to be in order for us to overcome SF's advantage in talent due to signing Kaep for peanuts, relatively speaking.
dude you are wrong on so many levels it is pathetic. First off the cap will go up about 15 mil next year, we are already under the cap by 8. Right there is more than enough to pay Rw and leave us fine, especially with other contract coming off the books. Not to mention if they structure it right it will not even hit us that hard, For example lets say they get him to agree to a 6 year ext at say 20 mil a year. Well that really means 7 years at 121 mil which is 17 mil a year and very very friendly for us. Why the extra year and 1 mil because it is an ext and he still will have 1 year left, and that can be used to prorate his contract out. IF they back load it they can make it even more friendly and then redo it when it comes due.
Now as to Sf advantage they have is at best a fraud, because they still need to keep the money available should Kap meet his goals, there for it is not available to pay others, and I guarantee you at least of those goals are no brainers, he will get. Also since so many of the goals are based on his performance he is going to push and that will cause even more mistakes. I mean paying Manning, Brady, Brees, and other QBs sure has not stopped them form making the playoffs year after year.
Not to mention you put all this on Rw, what about Sherman he could have taken a better deal to help not a top 5 CB deal, same for ET and Kam they all took what was at the time top 5 money for their position, so will they get blamed for this supposed run into the basement? No of course not, why because they got what they deserved and it was structured in a way that is good for them and us.
So before you go saying we are in trouble lets wait till we see the deal and how it is structured. Teams have been making the playoffs with QBs making a lot for years and will continue to, and we will be one of them, and remember the alternative is not making the playoffs as no team consistently makes the playoffs with out a franchise QB, and franchise QBs do not gro2w on trees and they get paid, and our franchise QB will too, and I am betting it will not hurt us at all.
I think SF is going to go ahead and assume Kaep won't make some of his goals, like "make All Pro", and will spend that money, and if he happens to make the goal and they go over the cap, they'll just pay the fine or forfeit draft picks or whatever the penalty is. Denver went over the cap in both their SB winning years. Nobody cares, nobody puts asterisks next to those SBs, so it was worth going over the cap. (At least this is what I read at a KC Chiefs message board! lol)
Secondly, Sherm and Earl aren't each making 25mil per year like I expect RW to. And I consider Earl and Sherm the best at their positions. I don't consider RW to be the best QB in the league (yet). So I don't think your example carries much weight.
Third, you say that RW's making 25mil per year (my expectations for his salary) "will not hurt us at all".
Well, that makes no sense simply from a math standpoint. We already lost players this off season and failed to sign players we pursued, because we needed save cap space to prepare to pay RW 25mil per year. So how can people say that RW's huge salary will have no impact? It already has!
Fourth, yes teams have been making the playoffs after paying their franchise QBs "elite-QB" money. But they haven't been winning Super Bowls (e.g. New England makes the playoffs every year, but lacks the supporting cast to win SBs anymore). I don't care about playoffs, I care about Lombardis.
I'm not opposing paying RW 25mil per year. We have no choice. We'll have to suck it up and slog through it But it'll be harder to win Super Bowls.
Shannon Sharpe said this after Super Bowl XLVIII:
I feel so bad for Peyton. Because not at any given point in time can he ever have an off-game. Russell Wilson won against New Orleans, throwing for (just) 103 yards. Payton Manning (on the other hand) has to be 'MVP Peyton Manning' every single game, or his team loses.
Such is the burden teams put on their QBs when they devote such a huge percentage of their salary to him, at the expense of the rest of the team. That will be us starting 2015.
Well, at least we got one SB with RW before paying him 25mil per year, and maybe we'll get another this upcoming year before extending his current contract. Other teams like Indy, Carolina, and Wash, have just one or two years left in their window to win a SB while their franchise QBs aren't making 20mil per year. They'd better take advantage of that window, because after their QBs get new contracts, they'll be in the same boat as the rest of the teams with "franchise QBs", teams with paper-thin depth and limited breadth that must rely on their QBs to carry the load every single game.
One last thing: You say "franchise QBs" don't grow on trees. Do you mean "elite QBs"? Because "franchise QBs" (QBs whose teams have appointed them as "the guy" for the foreseeable future) do seem to grow on trees. Lots of teams have them. And it only took Seattle a couple years to find RW to replace their previous franchise QB Hasselbeck. But too many teams are paying franchise QBs not just "franchise QB" money, but "elite QB" money, which is devastating to the team. Quickest way to wreck a team's salary structure is to pay non-elite players elite money. And that's my pet-peeve, the insistence to equate "franchise QB" with "elite QB". The two terms are not interchangeable, but people seem to think that they are, which leads to teams paying "franchise QBs" like Cutler, Romo, Flacco, et al, the same as (or more than) truly elite QBs like Brady, Rodgers, Manning.
