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  • My biggest concern for next season is what happens at the strong safety position. Kam Chancellor may never play football again if he is not cleared from the nerve injury in his neck. Bradley McDougald played well enough in his stead and says he would like to return to the Seahawks, but it is unclear whether the team is committed to re-signing him.

    Delano Hill is not good enough in coverage to be a starter in the NFL. Relying on Hill would be a disaster. He has poor instincts, and I can't see him improving enough in the off-season to become league average.

    One alternative might be to move Earl Thomas to strong safety. Thomas looks huge now and could be a little slower than he used to be, so it might be wise to consider moving him closer to the line of scrimmage, where he can make more plays against the run, a la Troy Polamalu. Then they could use Tedric Thompson, DeShawn Shead, or someone else (i.e. Keith McGill) at FS.
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  • How do we know this? I barely saw him on the field besides special teams
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  • You don't know if he is or isn't good enough in coverage to be a starter.
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  • Do we have any tape on the kid?
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  • CHawkTailGator wrote:Do we have any tape on the kid?


    3+ years at Michigan and 32 snaps in place of Chancellor this season.

    If people annoy me enough, I might add some GIFs to this thread as the off-season goes along.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    CHawkTailGator wrote:Do we have any tape on the kid?


    3+ years at Michigan and 32 snaps in place of Chancellor this season.

    If people annoy me enough, I might add some GIFs to this thread as the off-season goes along.



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  • First off, Earl isn't huge. He's still fast when not nursing a hamstring injury.

    Second, 32 snaps in garbage time is hardly enough info to judge a rookie's worth. You would have said the same thing about Kam in his rookie season.

    Let's get another off season out of him and see. You may certainly be right. But you could be totally off base. You don't attend practice as far as I know and anyone that doesn't attend practice has zero credibility in player evaluation on my book.

    A lot of people on this site fancy themselves armchair talent evaluators. If you were really any good at it, you wouldn't be here.
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  • Earl is one of the best free safeties in the NFL (arguably one of the best of all time) and you want him to change positions?
    Where do people come up with these ideas.
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  • Hill was never that good at Michigan. He takes bad angles and got beat a lot. He's similar to former SS Dion Bailey in that he moves poorly in space. As a 3rd rounder, he was a huge reach. He looked bad in the preseason, and he looked horrible replacing Kam. But go ahead and kill the messenger for having an opinion. If you think he is worthy of developing into a starter, I would be curious to hear that opinion. I think if we rely on him, like we relied on Rees Odhiambo at LT, it's going to be rough. JMO.
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  • He did some good things in the pre season. Had some aggressive hits. I mean, he is a rookie and throwing him under the bus right now seems a little premature unless there was a severe hatred of the pick to begin with. Even in that case we have him now and we should be willing to go through the process with him and give him a chance.

    Also McDougald could come back as well so there is that.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Image


    How about one with him view from the start of he play? There's no way to tell if his momentum was going the other way and he had to redirect. That clip may just show a fast wr made a cut already at full speed against a DB adjusting.
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  • This is premature. Hill is a rookie who barely played at all this year. Remember Kam's rookie Swain when he was parked in the bench all year behind Lawyer Milloy? And Kam wasn't known as a coverage safety coming out of college. He was known as a box safety who had poor coverage skills and who took bad angles. He dramatically improved as a pro. Don't count out Hill yet.
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  • You are most concerned about SS? Really?

    Also ragging on a rookie that hasn’t even had a chance to show us what he is made of is pretty weak. It’s not like Kam walked in immediately and was all pro. It’s ok to start on ST and learn/grow. He might be really solid next year, let’s not close the book before it even starts.

    Talk of moving Earl to full time SS is also just hilarious. Kam and Earl did switch of at times, but Earl is an all pro FS, just stop. Extremely important to the scheme.
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  • I agree with the posters who say it's too early. I'm with HB in that I really don't want us to re sign McDougald. He's done really well for us and has earned an extension that I don't think we should pick up. We've seen what he has to offer: he's a solid to good player.

    That's not what this team needs. We need elite talent at as many positions as we can. If there's one thing Pete has shown he can do, it's develop elite DB talent. Let's develop the guy we took pretty early relative to most DBs we take.
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  • I have a concern about the FS/SS positions. With the :::Possibilities::: that Kam retires/IR & they trade ET for draft picks.
    Then What? Probably McDougald becomes a priority resign to likely replace KAM's spot, but what about the FS. They have safeties on the roster in Hill, Thompson & maybe Tyson all from last years draft, but shouldn't they draft a FS in the coming draft? IMO, if so, they have to fill RB, EDGE, LB & maybe WR big needs on the roster first. So for me, I'd be looking strongly at these guys.

    FS-Armani Watts, Texas A&M, 5-110/205, (4.49/40 +/-) Projected Rd-3
    (Not ET, but more of a ball hawk, thumper type.)
    Career: 48-games: 328-tkls, 214-solo, 10-INT, 1-FR, 24-TFL, 1.5-Sacks, 18-PBU, 6-FF, 2-blkd kicks

    FS/SS?-Quin Blanding, Virginia, 6-011/210, (4.58/40+/- ?), Projected Rd-3
    (averages 10+ tkls/game, = McDougald 2.0?)
    Career: 49-games, 496-tkls, 260-solo, 10-INT, 9.0-TFL, 17-PBU, 1-Sack, 1-FF

    --------------IF other draft needs precludes one of above in Rd-3, the Seahawks could use a Rd-7 pick on:

    FS/CB-Jamar Summers, UCONN, 5-116/185 ,( 4.44/40 +/-), Projected Rd-7.
    (May be closest to ET in size/speed)
    Career: 48-games, 182-tkls, 132-solo, 12-INT, 5.5-TFL, 1-Sack, 1-FR, 21-PBU, 1-FF, 1-blkd kick.

    FS/CB-Dion Harris, No. Dakota, 6-015/182, (4.50/40 +/-), projected Rd-7.
    (Intriguing FCS player to keep an eye on. Sleeper?)
    Career: 50-games, 199-tkls, 129-solo, 4-INT, 11.5-TFL, 3-Sacks, 41-PBU, 2-QBH, 3-FF
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Image


    The dude scoring that TD is 175 # Shay Fields who has been timed around 4.3. I'd expect he could outrun Kam pretty easily- and a lot of other SS's, fwiw.

    Hill had some of the same knocks as Kam re: not really a "coverage guy". Probably why they drafted him.
    Around the draft I read a report that actually called Hill "the best tackler in the NCAA". Don't know about that, and a lot else about Hill right now, is all.
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  • He's a good wrap-up tackler (not a hard tackler, by any means) and has decent straight-line speed, which should make him a good special teams player.

    If the front office plans on relying on him as a starter, then I think we will be in some trouble.
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  • I think Earl could play SS well. I also think Shead could be an option at Saftey as well. Although I don't think Sheads instincts are close to Earl or Kam.

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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Image


    Who doesn't ever get beat?

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  • adeltaY wrote:I agree with the posters who say it's too early. I'm with HB in that I really don't want us to re sign McDougald. He's done really well for us and has earned an extension that I don't think we should pick up. We've seen what he has to offer: he's a solid to good player.

    That's not what this team needs. We need elite talent at as many positions as we can. If there's one thing Pete has shown he can do, it's develop elite DB talent. Let's develop the guy we took pretty early relative to most DBs we take.


    McDougald is like top 5 in run support as a SS, he has descent coverage skills, knows our defense. Can play FS as well.

    Yeah because he's not Kam or Kenny Easley he is a scrub and should not be signed............................

    McDougald was a starter for Tampa, Hill has not had a chance yet, being in competition with two proven NFL starters can do that to any rookie.
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  • I find it hard to see us not resigning McDougal... proved it on the field and shouldn't break the bank


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  • Sound familiar... Those crazy coaches didn't bring back Milloy and are planning to start some 2nd year 5th round nobody named Kam Chancellor?

    How did that turn out? Relax, we just don't know.
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  • DJ_CJ wrote:I find it hard to see us not resigning McDougal... proved it on the field and shouldn't break the bank


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    I would be surprised if we did not resign McDougald as well. He is a solid player, very good in the box and seemed at least averge in cover skills. Plus, he has a season of experience in our system now. Nothing wrong with a McDougald/Thomas Safety duo. The D can still be dominant with McDougald at SS.
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  • So before knowing if a player comes back from injury, before we know if a player re-signs, before Free Agency and before the draft is when we start panicking about a guy we have on the roster that may or may not be good enough to be a starter??........

    Interesting approach
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Image


    So you've provided proof of one play? From college? Well done. I'm sold.
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  • I didn't see this guy on the field. Let's see how he does before we judge him. College highlights means nothing to me. That guy has a chance to become our starter SS (if Kam is unable) and I'm pretty sure he'll play at his 100% , so let's see what he can give to our organization.
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  • There are definite concerns in coverage so I can see where the OP is coming from, but I still need to see more to make an absolute statement this strong.

    Let's see how he plays in the next batch of pre-season games. Good DBs make a leap in yr 2, meh players stay the same.
    I'm on the fence for now. You could be right though.
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  • iigakusei wrote:Earl is one of the best free safeties in the NFL (arguably one of the best of all time) and you want him to change positions?
    Where do people come up with these ideas.


    Earl is too small to effectively play SS in our scheme. We'd lose him to injury in two stingers flat. Er, two seconds.
    And faster than TRULY needed for our SS. He's the perfect FS for our scheme. Switching Earl to SS? Ridiculous.
    Haven't seen Earl toss aside quite as many O-Linemen as Kam has.
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  • I actually am holding out hope for Hill, Thompson, and Tyson respectively because of just how good the Seahawks molds the defensive side of the ball. Also admittedly I'm saving your quote for if Hill turns out to be one hell of a player (which I just might be too optimistic about) for my very first signature on these forums. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but I don't think it'll end up that way.
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  • jmahon316 wrote:I actually am holding out hope for Hill, Thompson, and Tyson respectively because of just how good the Seahawks molds the defensive side of the ball. Also admittedly I'm saving your quote for if Hill turns out to be one hell of a player (which I just might be too optimistic about) for my very first signature on these forums. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but I don't think it'll end up that way.


    Would have to look but I thought two of the three were conversion projects, Tyson to CB was one and Hill to SS the other, he needed to bulk up and get some tutelage.
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  • chris98251 wrote:
    jmahon316 wrote:I actually am holding out hope for Hill, Thompson, and Tyson respectively because of just how good the Seahawks molds the defensive side of the ball. Also admittedly I'm saving your quote for if Hill turns out to be one hell of a player (which I just might be too optimistic about) for my very first signature on these forums. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong but I don't think it'll end up that way.


    Would have to look but I thought two of the three were conversion projects, Tyson to CB was one and Hill to SS the other, he needed to bulk up and get some tutelage.


    Yeah, and I get that but even so -- I'd be willing to bet that 2 out of the 3 IF NOT all 3 will be starters either this season or next tops -- and anyone can quote me on that.
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    adeltaY wrote:I agree with the posters who say it's too early. I'm with HB in that I really don't want us to re sign McDougald. He's done really well for us and has earned an extension that I don't think we should pick up. We've seen what he has to offer: he's a solid to good player.

    That's not what this team needs. We need elite talent at as many positions as we can. If there's one thing Pete has shown he can do, it's develop elite DB talent. Let's develop the guy we took pretty early relative to most DBs we take.


    McDougald is like top 5 in run support as a SS, he has descent coverage skills, knows our defense. Can play FS as well.

    Yeah because he's not Kam or Kenny Easley he is a scrub and should not be signed............................

    McDougald was a starter for Tampa, Hill has not had a chance yet, being in competition with two proven NFL starters can do that to any rookie.


    Never said he was a scrub, that's a strawman through and through and you know it.

    I have nothing against Bradley and am very glad we signed him, especially for such little cash. He's earned a big payday of 6M+ APY and we shouldn't pay him that. Conversely, I'm okay with signing Maxie back, but only if we pay him no more than 3M APY. The three year/8M deal floated by a FG author sounds great to me. There's no way we can get BMac back for that cheap and frankly he deserves more.

    I'm saying that since we picked Delano in the third round, let's roll with the younger and cheaper option and trust in our coaching staff's ability to develop him rather than paying a mid-level player a decent amount of money. I'd much prefer letting McDougald walk if that saved money towards signing a proven all-pro like Andrew Norwell or extending a young player with elite potential in Frank Clark.
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  • adeltaY wrote:
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    adeltaY wrote:I agree with the posters who say it's too early. I'm with HB in that I really don't want us to re sign McDougald. He's done really well for us and has earned an extension that I don't think we should pick up. We've seen what he has to offer: he's a solid to good player.

    That's not what this team needs. We need elite talent at as many positions as we can. If there's one thing Pete has shown he can do, it's develop elite DB talent. Let's develop the guy we took pretty early relative to most DBs we take.


    McDougald is like top 5 in run support as a SS, he has descent coverage skills, knows our defense. Can play FS as well.

    Yeah because he's not Kam or Kenny Easley he is a scrub and should not be signed............................

    McDougald was a starter for Tampa, Hill has not had a chance yet, being in competition with two proven NFL starters can do that to any rookie.


    Never said he was a scrub, that's a strawman through and through and you know it.

    I have nothing against Bradley and am very glad we signed him, especially for such little cash. He's earned a big payday of 6M+ APY and we shouldn't pay him that. Conversely, I'm okay with signing Maxie back, but only if we pay him no more than 3M APY. The three year/8M deal floated by a FG author sounds great to me. There's no way we can get BMac back for that cheap and frankly he deserves more.

    I'm saying that since we picked Delano in the third round, let's roll with the younger and cheaper option and trust in our coaching staff's ability to develop him rather than paying a mid-level player a decent amount of money. I'd much prefer letting McDougald walk if that saved money towards signing a proven all-pro like Andrew Norwell or extending a young player with elite potential in Frank Clark.


    Don't sign Mcdougald but keep Thomas and Sherman as well as Wilson, it would be cheaper and we have Boykin and the rest of that draft class, after all we can just coach them up, also don't need Norwell, we just coach up what we have and then were in great shape Cap wise.

    These arguments can go back and forth all day if dealing with absolutes, not attempting to get into a pissing contest, but McDougald is pretty young and will be cheap relatively speaking compared to Kam and is not that much of a drop off stat wise, leadership and game changing hits yes.
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  • Ugh more strawmans. Have we had great success coaching up DBs? Yes. Have we done the same with OL? No. Thus, signing Norwell makes more sense because he is a proven player at a position we suck at developing, whereas letting Delano develop at a position Carroll has shown he can work wonders with is reasonable. We also currently don't have a OL prospect waiting in the wings. Maybe Rees? I guess he could be a good guard but it doesn't look promising thusfar.

    Bringing up Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson is ridiculous. The former two are all pros and Wilson is our franchise QB. None are FAs this year. Sherm you can make an argument for cutting due to cap savings and the injury concern. I've even said that cutting him to sign Norwell makes sense.

    Can you see how the way you've presented my points comes across as disingenuous argumentation? I guess we are done here either way.
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  • adeltaY wrote:Ugh more strawmans. Have we had great success coaching up DBs? Yes. Have we done the same with OL? No. Thus, signing Norwell makes more sense because he is a proven player at a position we suck at developing, whereas letting Delano develop at a position Carroll has shown he can work wonders with is reasonable. We also currently don't have a OL prospect waiting in the wings. Maybe Rees? I guess he could be a good guard but it doesn't look promising thusfar.

    Bringing up Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson is ridiculous. The former two are all pros and Wilson is our franchise QB. None are FAs this year. Sherm you can make an argument for cutting due to cap savings and the injury concern. I've even said that cutting him to sign Norwell makes sense.

    Can you see how the way you've presented my points comes across as disingenuous argumentation? I guess we are done here either way.


    For christs sake, your bringing up cheap and conserving cap space but want to sign a big money player in Norwell who's scouting notes are these.

    Despite his decorated college career, Norwell was considered a borderline NFL prospect because of lingering questions about his athleticism.


    We have plenty of those.

    Ifedi, Germain G/T
    Roos, Jordan G
    Pocic, Ethan G/T
    Odhiambo, Rees G/T

    Additionally we just spent 8 million on a player that we could consider a bust FA in Joekel, I am of the mind they will go into bargain bin again. As of today and Cable being here still the Norwell type of player isn't a player type we go after.

    Our problem is we draft guys and try to make them Tackles when they are Guards, that and the system we use being antiquated due to rule changes.
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  • chris98251 wrote:[or christs sake, your bringing up cheap and conserving cap space but want to sign a big money player in Norwell who's scouting notes are these.

    Despite his decorated college career, Norwell was considered a borderline NFL prospect because of lingering questions about his athleticism.


    We have plenty of those.

    Ifedi, Germain G/T
    Roos, Jordan G
    Pocic, Ethan G/T
    Odhiambo, Rees G/T


    These guys are known for their athleticism. Raw, raw, athleticism. It was all through their scouting notes.

    In fact, the opposite criticism is true - they have all the athleticism you could ask for, but none of the technique. Except for Pocic, who was a technician but lacked strength and anchoring.
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  • adeltaY wrote:I agree with the posters who say it's too early. I'm with HB in that I really don't want us to re sign McDougald. He's done really well for us and has earned an extension that I don't think we should pick up. We've seen what he has to offer: he's a solid to good player.

    That's not what this team needs. We need elite talent at as many positions as we can. If there's one thing Pete has shown he can do, it's develop elite DB talent. Let's develop the guy we took pretty early relative to most DBs we take.


    Pete's track record with DB's has not been nearly as sterling as implied here. Jeremy Lane, Tharold Simon, Eric Pinkins, Tye Smith, Winston Guy, Mark Legree - bargain-bin busts as well as brilliant hits like the Legion (and one of those, Earl Thomas, was a first-round pick). It's also worth mentioning that the secondary coach that helped form the Legion is currently interviewing for head coaching positions elsewhere.

    Dollar bills and clear team ledgers don't go to Pro Bowls. At some point, you get what you pay for. We have a LOT of places on the team where both depth and starters are needed, and Seattle has a known quantity in McDougald in a draft that's down on safeties. It wouldn't surprise me to see Seattle re-sign him.
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  • But Norwell is a first team all pro in the NFL just this year, why would you bring up his scouting profile?

    My point is I'd rather spend a lot of money on a proven all pro than a mid tier contract on a mid tier player. Eliminate the middle class, ideally.
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  • adeltaY wrote:But Norwell is a first team all pro in the NFL just this year, why would you bring up his scouting profile?

    My point is I'd rather spend a lot of money on a proven all pro than a mid tier contract on a mid tier player. Eliminate the middle class, ideally.


    Ideal yes. The salary cap makes it realistically impossible though. The teams the 49ers Built under the uncapped years are as close as you will ever see to a team of all upper echelon players. I can't imagine what the cost of that team would be in todays NFL.
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  • I agree but rookie contracts can help with that because they are so cheap. Have to draft well. It's really tough as you say though.
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  • adeltaY wrote:But Norwell is a first team all pro in the NFL just this year, why would you bring up his scouting profile?

    My point is I'd rather spend a lot of money on a proven all pro than a mid tier contract on a mid tier player. Eliminate the middle class, ideally.


    Because one system and player usage does not always translate to another teams system and usage. Yes I know they say they use the ZBS as well, but there are a variety of concepts within that name, we use one very close to the Original which is now handicapped by rules.
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  • Also our OL coach... Damn we are screwed if he stays and Pete doesn't force him to adapt
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Image


    Great analysis cherry picking a single play to say a guy can't start in the NFL

    Nothing wrong with your thread questioning Hill's future but your declaration he isn't goo enough to be a starter is hilarious. I might even have to screenshot this thread so I can throw it in your face later like the people who thought we got cute trading down for Bobby Wagner and missing out on Mychal Kendricks
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  • olyfan63 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Earl is one of the best free safeties in the NFL (arguably one of the best of all time) and you want him to change positions?
    Where do people come up with these ideas.


    Earl is too small to effectively play SS in our scheme. We'd lose him to injury in two stingers flat. Er, two seconds.
    And faster than TRULY needed for our SS. He's the perfect FS for our scheme. Switching Earl to SS? Ridiculous.
    Haven't seen Earl toss aside quite as many O-Linemen as Kam has.


    Why weaken two positions by moving Earl?
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  • WestcoastSteve wrote: I might even have to screenshot this thread so I can throw it in your face later


    Please do.

    Hill would be a disaster as a starter, IMO.
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