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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:48 pm
  • I wonder if the whole Peyton Manning fiasco played apart in trying to find an OC quickly. I realize Manning was a player, but still must have left an impression about wooing a high profile personnel. No guarantees, Defillippo would have chosen Seattle. Now they need to fill out the rest of the staff.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:54 pm
  • Well im glad Steve Sarkisan isn't our new OC. He blew it for Atlanta. They were inside the 10, first down. TD wins the game. 2 timeouts. They don't run the ball once. On 4th down he calls a QB roll out.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:54 pm
  • For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:00 pm
  • FidelisHawk wrote:
    nanomoz wrote:I hope he's actually given a chance to implement his own vision, not Carroll/Bevel redux. A subordinate subordinate is exactly what Pete doesn't need.


    It makes absolutely zero sense to have your OC and HC with different visions on how the offense should be run.

    If you want a different vision you change the Head Coach.


    It seems you're unable to see anything beyond rigid hierarchy.

    Plenty of offensive coordinators are given the chance to actually design and run the offense. Especially when the head coach is more of a defensive guy. I'd like to see Pete actually give an offensive mind a chance to design some. The "box" Pete gives them needs to be a bit bigger, or I think we'll see more of the same. I don't want more of the same.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:03 pm
  • He is the exact same as Bevell horrible on third down and horrible in the red zone. When Schottenheimer was below-average with the Jets he had Bill Callahan as his Oline coach. Bill Callahan is one of the best line coaches in football over the past 20 years Having built the Redskins, Cowboys, Jets and Raiders Olines in the last 10 years alone. Schot will look good from the simple fact that the team will have a competent line coach for the first time in a decade.


    Like Bevell, I will give him 3 years to get his system working with the best QB he has ever worked with.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:05 pm
  • TBH, if Pete has another mediocre year even with new coaches, his seat will start getting warm. Betting Paul Allen will be watching this next year closely.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:06 pm
  • Grahamhawker wrote:Either Pete truly is addled and made a rash decision, or he got exactly the guy he wanted. I'm guessing the latter.


    Pete's decisions don't always line up with whats best for the organization, he wants to win his way, not the easiest way possible. Pete has always had an ego even in his days with USC, so this isn't surprising.

    He wants to run the ball and play good defense, which means we can let Graham go and focus solely on the O-line and RB's from here on out.

    However, as I said earlier we need to give him a chance before we write Schotty off.

    I don't think this will be Russell's last head coach either, I think he gets another shot with someone after him.

    I'm not of the opinion we can't win another SB with Pete and whoever he hires on. Just have to have more creativity.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:09 pm
  • I wonder if he will be given the Assistant HC title. If not him, then who will it be?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:10 pm
  • Down Under Hawk wrote:For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:


    Scary thing is Sarks resume us much better then Shottys
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:14 pm
  • getnasty wrote:
    Down Under Hawk wrote:For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:


    Scary thing is Sarks resume us much better then Shottys



    Not really Sark shot up to head coach fast 2009-2015 he did not spend decades running offenses as an OC. This season was his first as an NFL OC.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:16 pm
  • Who knows how it turns out but what would make Pete even consider him for the job?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:17 pm
  • getnasty wrote:
    Down Under Hawk wrote:For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:


    Scary thing is Sarks resume us much better then Shottys


    Sark's NFL resume is inheriting the #1 scoring offense and turning it into the #15 scoring offense, over 10 points per game worse than the previous year.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:22 pm
  • sedrohawk wrote:
    MontatnaHawk05 wrote:
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    Oh, is Fieldgulls going against the grain again? Knock me over with a feather.

    Maybe Schotty and Wilson find something special together. Maybe not.

    I actually agree with the point that it's more about the talent at your disposal than anything else, but if that's the case, why did we let Cable and Bevell go? Because, in Cable's case, there is evidence that he was wrecking the available talent.

    Sure, Schotty was stuck with bad quarterbacks for much of his career. He also may have been responsible for those bad quarterbacks, like Sanchez and Bradford. He did have a couple good moments, like Brees and Luck.

    Meh. I'm the type to see coordinators as almost a non-factor. I was hoping for an innovator, but this news doesn't really Russell me one way or the other. If you'll pardon the pun that autocorrect provided for me.

    Have any of those qb' s went on to do anything? I haven't even noticed them.


    So you're saying that to you, Drew Breese wasn't even a blip on the Radar screen?
    I'm all for waiting to see how RW can adjust with yet another OC mentor.
    Wilson was in jeopardy every time he was up behind Cables' O-Line, Hell, Bevell was constantly trying to make silk purses outa Pigs ears...I'm more concerned as to who our new O-Line Coach is.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:29 pm
  • If you read that article what were going to need is bigger outside receivers with speed and a TE that can both block and run the seam and underneath stuff with a really good Slot guy.

    He will also ask Wilson to read the defense which should be easier with guys in motion and make quick decisions and hit his checkdown guys in the middle of the field, TE, Slot and RB's.

    Then add the FB and Running game, this is truly the pass setting up the run formula.

    If anyone was able to watch Air Coryell work it was a marvel to behold, trouble is most his teams stacked the offense side of the ball and had no defense. Don Coryell was a innovator on offense as much as Pete has been with his defense.

    There is going to be some turnover, Locket and Richardson fit speed category but not the size, David Moore is the body speed type guy I think we could see emerge and Swoopes at TE as well. Vannett waiting in the wings will be a blessing.

    Darboh and McEvoy will be given a chance here, fits Schottys body and speed type as well also.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:35 pm
  • Jeremy517 wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    Down Under Hawk wrote:For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:


    Scary thing is Sarks resume us much better then Shottys


    Sark's NFL resume is inheriting the #1 scoring offense and turning it into the #15 scoring offense, over 10 points per game worse than the previous year.

    :ditto: THIS:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:39 pm
  • Let’s just pull a Tennessee and go protest at the link. Everyone call the offices and complain and maybe they will pull the offer lol

    I too am not happy with the “shotty” hire
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:42 pm
  • Is this even confirmed?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:42 pm
  • Down Under Hawk wrote:For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:

    That’s true.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:48 pm
  • For all of the negative sh*t I'm hearing, he doesn't have a prayer at success under Pete. Tell you what....he has one successful year here( ie. SB) and he will be hired away after only one year!
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:49 pm
  • Well a lot are pissed off that they didn't hire someone from college that had not experience in the NFL, that works sometimes, mostly it don't. Kelly flashed early and then was figured out, glad he won all those Super Bowls in Philly before he was fired. That or poach a coach off another team that already has a job and a contract and could not move laterally anyway, or hope that a playoff team was not going to resign their OC that got them to their playoff birth and would just let him walk for nothing and hire Bevell instead maybe.
    That and anyone not 37 or so is to old after McVeys success, we need to get our coaches out of High School I guess next since Old means to some no nothing.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:57 pm
  • Down Under Hawk wrote:
    Jeremy517 wrote:
    getnasty wrote:
    Down Under Hawk wrote:For all you negative nellys at least they didn't wait and hire Sarkisian!!! :irishdrinkers:


    Scary thing is Sarks resume us much better then Shottys


    Sark's NFL resume is inheriting the #1 scoring offense and turning it into the #15 scoring offense, over 10 points per game worse than the previous year.

    :ditto: THIS:


    And like I said that might be better then Schotty.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:10 pm
  • I would have been more excited getting a young unproven guy with some fire than an old shoe the jets couldn’t wait to get rid of.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:19 pm
  • I have read this entire dreary thread and it seems everybody knows everything.

    Think I'll wait and see.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:25 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Well a lot are pissed off that they didn't hire someone from college that had not experience in the NFL, that works sometimes, mostly it don't. Kelly flashed early and then was figured out, glad he won all those Super Bowls in Philly before he was fired. That or poach a coach off another team that already has a job and a contract and could not move laterally anyway, or hope that a playoff team was not going to resign their OC that got them to their playoff birth and would just let him walk for nothing and hire Bevell instead maybe.
    That and anyone not 37 or so is to old after McVeys success, we need to get our coaches out of High School I guess next since Old means to some no nothing.


    Seriously. I mean, to me it seems like many younger people think that the second someone turns 30 or so ... they're automatically old, over the hill, washed up, etc. In a lot of ways, I feel like I'm sometimes living in Logan's Run ...



    I mean, gimme a break. I'm going to at least give Schottenheimer a chance. Let's see what things look like Mid-season or so before we start passing judgment and earmark him for the Carousel, OK?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:26 pm
  • hate the hire but I didn't like the Carrol hire, sooooo. If he gets rid of the ZBS I'll be very happy.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:38 pm
  • NJlargent wrote:I would have been more excited getting a young unproven guy with some fire than an old shoe the jets couldn’t wait to get rid of.


    Hmmm ... You know who that also describes, don't you? Pete Carroll. How does that "Old Shoe" that the Jets got rid of look now, eh?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:41 pm
  • Hawkscanner wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Well a lot are pissed off that they didn't hire someone from college that had not experience in the NFL, that works sometimes, mostly it don't. Kelly flashed early and then was figured out, glad he won all those Super Bowls in Philly before he was fired. That or poach a coach off another team that already has a job and a contract and could not move laterally anyway, or hope that a playoff team was not going to resign their OC that got them to their playoff birth and would just let him walk for nothing and hire Bevell instead maybe.
    That and anyone not 37 or so is to old after McVeys success, we need to get our coaches out of High School I guess next since Old means to some no nothing.


    Seriously. I mean, to me it seems like many younger people think that the second someone turns 30 or so ... they're automatically old, over the hill, washed up, etc. In a lot of ways, I feel like I'm sometimes living in Logan's Run ...



    I mean, gimme a break. I'm going to at least give Schottenheimer a chance. Let's see what things look like Mid-season or so before we start passing judgment and earmark him for the Carousel, OK?



    Hahaha using Logan's Run as a reference about young fans understanding age...I highly doubt many if any younger fans will even know what it is!
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:42 pm
  • The more I read the worse this looks on paper, on the bright side he has meet Sony Michel. Does anyone think this is a good hire? Please let there be someone.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:51 pm
  • BAH! All of the available candidates out there and THIS is who we want to hire? Why is there a rush? Some of the best candidates are still coaching in the playoffs.

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:54 pm
  • oldhawkfan wrote:
    Hawkscanner wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Well a lot are pissed off that they didn't hire someone from college that had not experience in the NFL, that works sometimes, mostly it don't. Kelly flashed early and then was figured out, glad he won all those Super Bowls in Philly before he was fired. That or poach a coach off another team that already has a job and a contract and could not move laterally anyway, or hope that a playoff team was not going to resign their OC that got them to their playoff birth and would just let him walk for nothing and hire Bevell instead maybe.
    That and anyone not 37 or so is to old after McVeys success, we need to get our coaches out of High School I guess next since Old means to some no nothing.


    Seriously. I mean, to me it seems like many younger people think that the second someone turns 30 or so ... they're automatically old, over the hill, washed up, etc. In a lot of ways, I feel like I'm sometimes living in Logan's Run ...



    I mean, gimme a break. I'm going to at least give Schottenheimer a chance. Let's see what things look like Mid-season or so before we start passing judgment and earmark him for the Carousel, OK?



    Hahaha using Logan's Run as a reference about young fans understanding age...I highly doubt many if any younger fans will even know what it is!
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    LOL! I know. That's pretty ironic, wouldn't you say? The younger crowd honestly should watch it. They could learn a lesson or two from watching that "old" film.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:07 pm
  • How did this thread turn into old people complaining about all the young people on their lawn?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:08 pm
  • getnasty wrote:The more I read the worse this looks on paper, on the bright side he has meet Sony Michel. Does anyone think this is a good hire? Please let there be someone.


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:15 pm
  • getnasty wrote:The more I read the worse this looks on paper, on the bright side he has meet Sony Michel. Does anyone think this is a good hire? Please let there be someone.


    Outstanding hire! Done for the specific reason seen on the previous pages of this thread. :P
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:21 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:Even if the guy is just your “average” OC, then he is light years better than the guy that just got canned here!


    "Average" would win us 12 games a year on offense. At least the offense would probably do something in the first quarter
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:23 pm
  • WilsonMVP wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Even if the guy is just your “average” OC, then he is light years better than the guy that just got canned here!


    "Average" would win us 12 games a year on offense. At least the offense would probably do something in the first quarter


    You can do worse than doing nothing in the 1st quarter. You could do nothing the entire game. Wilson was THE top QB in the 4th quarter and our second-half offense in general was top ten.

    No, it's not ideal. But things could get worse. And practically everything Schottenheimer's done as an OC qualifies as worse. Let's hope it was just because of bad personnel.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:24 pm
  • Anchovy of Terror wrote:How did this thread turn into old people complaining about all the young people on their lawn?


    I'm not. That's not even close to who I am (were you to meet me in real life, you'd understand). I've worked with young people most of my career. I get fired up working with young people. I love young people, their energy, their enthusiasm, their zest for life, etc.

    I don't judge people by their age (young or "old"). There is value in each -- being "Young" ... or "Old." There is wisdom that comes from experience, that young people (regardless of how smart they may be) generally don't have. The older a person gets, the more they tend to understand people -- what makes them tick. Older people also tend to see patterns much better than younger people as well. [Recognizing patterns is a valuable trait for an Offensive Coordinator, wouldn't you say?]

    It just sure seems like that's not the predominant thought though. It just seems like once people get to a certain age, they're automatically dismissed, thrown in the garbage by society (so to speak).

    I just hate judging people by age in general (whether they be "younger" or "older"). I'm just saying, people should give Schottenheimer a chance before automatically assuming he's going to crash and burn.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:28 pm
  • CodeWarrior wrote:He may not be the sexiest pick, but if Schotty comes here and delivers an offense that can run the ball consistently, that's all I care about. Without a solid running game Pete's system doesn't work.


    This...we need to get back to running the ball whatever it takes. Get the PA game going and open up more things for Russ
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:34 pm
  • I don't have a choice but to get on board but this whole process feels like an fu from Pete. We were clamoring for something different and Pete brings in the status quo. This confirms for me even more this decision to move on from DB was not from Pete it came above his head with PA and JS, so Pete went out and got himself a DB all over again. This was just change just to shut us up but it's business as usual. The idea that teams were going to be lining up for this guy is laughable, maybe this all goes great but if it does it'll be the first time an offense goes great under his watch, nobody was lining up for Shotty and they're selling us that we had to move. I wasn't sure about Deflippio or however his name was spelt but that was in the direction that would've created a little excitement. This is just deflating but I hope that smarter football minds than me know better.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:37 pm
  • Now, the playbook is nowhere near as predictable as simply "taking the top off the defense," but that is its premise. The number one concern on the minds of Rams fans should be the safety and wellbeing of the face of the franchise - Sam Bradford. The longtime misunderstanding of Air Coryell is that it is a "QB killer." It’s something that Rams fans can easily relate to after years of seeing both Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger flat on their backs. While the evidence is there to support these claims, there truly is an easy solution for that problem, and balance is the key.


    Air Coryell Schottenheimer offense

    So.... more of the same but with a fullback?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:41 pm
  • Danny Darko wrote:
    Now, the playbook is nowhere near as predictable as simply "taking the top off the defense," but that is its premise. The number one concern on the minds of Rams fans should be the safety and wellbeing of the face of the franchise - Sam Bradford. The longtime misunderstanding of Air Coryell is that it is a "QB killer." It’s something that Rams fans can easily relate to after years of seeing both Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger flat on their backs. While the evidence is there to support these claims, there truly is an easy solution for that problem, and balance is the key.


    Air Coryell Schottenheimer offense

    So.... more of the same but with a fullback?


    Largely. Some difference. Same emphasis.

    Though of couse when people read "WCO" amongst Bevell's background, all they think of is short passes...as if Seattle has EVER relied on those during his tenure here outside a handful of games.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:50 pm
  • We haven't seen him be an OC for us yet, but plenty of people are saying he's worse than Bevell? Jesus Christ.

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:55 pm
  • Did anyone really think Pete was going to do anything other than hire an OC specifically to implement his plan?

    He just needs to do it better than Bevell...
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:55 pm
  • two dog wrote:I have read this entire dreary thread and it seems everybody knows everything.

    Knows Everything?, hell, I don't think they even SUSPECT anything. :lol:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:13 pm
  • flmmkrz wrote:I don't have a choice but to get on board but this whole process feels like an fu from Pete. We were clamoring for something different and Pete brings in the status quo. This confirms for me even more this decision to move on from DB was not from Pete it came above his head with PA and JS, so Pete went out and got himself a DB all over again. This was just change just to shut us up but it's business as usual. The idea that teams were going to be lining up for this guy is laughable, maybe this all goes great but if it does it'll be the first time an offense goes great under his watch, nobody was lining up for Shotty and they're selling us that we had to move. I wasn't sure about Deflippio or however his name was spelt but that was in the direction that would've created a little excitement. This is just deflating but I hope that smarter football minds than me know better.


    Was thinking the same thing. Lot of people getting pissy at the group not liking the hire and saying give BS a chance. I think giving him a chance goes without saying, we really don't have a choice but to hope for the best.

    I think it is completely fair to be concerned about the possibility of see the same dumpster fire of an offense Seattle has put on the field for at least 2 seasons. Thing that is worrying me the most is the hiring of an underwhelming OLC. With the decision of hiring BS I could see this happening. This is concern not negativity.
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Re: Seahawks to sign Colts QB Coach.
Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:15 pm
  • Gio wrote:Schottenheimer was their top choice, and the Seahawks wanted to get him before other teams offered him positions. - Rapoport added

    This is a frightening statement.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:20 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:We haven't seen him be an OC for us yet, but plenty of people are saying he's worse than Bevell? Jesus Christ.

    Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Schottenheimer.

    Haven’t we? Jets? Rams? And he was Luck’s QB coach?

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-footba ... ttenheimer
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:06 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:We haven't seen him be an OC for us yet, but plenty of people are saying he's worse than Bevell? Jesus Christ.

    Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Schottenheimer.

    So much this!

    Folks are either butt hurt because their guy just got fired, or their guy didn’t get hired.
    This guy isn’t my first choice, but he can’t be worse then the last guy, who set a pretty low bar to step over.
    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:21 pm
  • This will be a great hire if we draft Barkley.
    GET YOUR EAR PLUGS READY!!!
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:44 pm
  • TheHawkster wrote:This will be a great hire if we draft Barkley.



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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:49 pm
  • I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!
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