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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:51 pm
  • If we do hire him then we are tweaking and not rebuilding which to me is a good sign.we really only needed a reliable kicking game these last two seasons and would have finished with 11 or 12 wins.new coach new tendencies and hopefully no zbs.I trust Pete not because I'm a homer (I am)but because he has earned it. Go Hawks!
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:52 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:We haven't seen him be an OC for us yet, but plenty of people are saying he's worse than Bevell? Jesus Christ.

    Welcome to Seattle, Mr. Schottenheimer.

    So much this!

    Folks are either butt hurt because their guy just got fired, or their guy didn’t get hired.
    This guy isn’t my first choice, but he can’t be worse then the last guy, who set a pretty low bar to step over.

    No people are worried about the hire because he hasn’t received good reviews at his previous attempts to be an OC both at the college level or the NFL. He may be able to add something from all of his experience but great play calling seems like a long shot. There must be a reason though that our first choice for OC is a guy who has failed in his previous three attempts. We can only guess what that reason might be.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:56 pm
  • fifty9fan wrote:I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:32 pm
  • brimsalabim wrote:No people are worried about the hire because he hasn’t received good reviews at his previous attempts to be an OC both at the college level or the NFL. He may be able to add something from all of his experience but great play calling seems like a long shot. There must be a reason though that our first choice for OC is a guy who has failed in his previous three attempts. We can only guess what that reason might be.


    He probably thinks he can fix him like Blair Walsh
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:38 pm
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:48 pm
  • HommyHawk wrote:If we do hire him then we are tweaking and not rebuilding which to me is a good sign.we really only needed a reliable kicking game these last two seasons and would have finished with 11 or 12 wins.new coach new tendencies and hopefully no zbs.I trust Pete not because I'm a homer (I am)but because he has earned it. Go Hawks!

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:52 pm
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:46 pm
  • Is this confirmed?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:52 pm
  • xStickybudz wrote:Is this confirmed?


    Being Monday is a holiday, probably not until Tuesday around noonish.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:53 pm
  • xStickybudz wrote:Is this confirmed?


    Not as far as I’m aware.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:54 pm
  • Looks like the scapegoat train will be rolling full steam into the season. If this news is true then for Schottenheimer's sake I hope the first play of the season is not a poorly blocked bubble screen.

    Honestly, what do most of you really know about John DeFilippo to get this worked up about not hiring him? He has exactly one season as OC with the Browns when they finished 30th in offense and he wasn't kept when they turned over the staff. An unknown can be exciting just like a lottery ticket because there's always that small chance of winning the jackpot. Remember that you don't need to win the lottery to be successful and a strategy based on winning the lottery is a poor way to manage both your life and your favorite sports teams.

    Maybe Schottenheimer is a lateral move from Bevell, but we won a Superbowl with Bevell. Three of the best run offenses this season belonged to the Eagles, Saints, and Bills and all three looked seriously flawed last year at this time. It's a long offseason and how successful we are in 2018 is going to depend on many, many factors beyond whoever our new OC is.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:02 am
  • AgentDib wrote:Looks like the scapegoat train will be rolling full steam into the season. If this news is true then for Schottenheimer's sake I hope the first play of the season is not a poorly blocked bubble screen.

    Honestly, what do most of you really know about John DeFilippo to get this worked up about not hiring him? He has exactly one season as OC with the Browns when they finished 30th in offense and he wasn't kept when they turned over the staff. An unknown can be exciting just like a lottery ticket because there's always that small chance of winning the jackpot. Remember that you don't need to win the lottery to be successful and a strategy based on winning the lottery is a poor way to manage both your life and your favorite sports teams.

    Maybe Schottenheimer is a lateral move from Bevell, but we won a Superbowl with Bevell. Three of the best run offenses this season belonged to the Eagles, Saints, and Bills and all three looked seriously flawed last year at this time. It's a long offseason and how successful we are in 2018 is going to depend on many, many factors beyond whoever our new OC is.


    and if it's a lateral move... I think it's safe to assume Schotty would have run Beast Mode, so at least there's that.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:21 am
  • getnasty wrote:
    Down Under Hawk wrote:
    getnasty wrote:Hard to get excited about this, my buddy is a Georgia fan and claims he was bad there too. Finished in the bottom half of offenses 7 of 8 seasons in the NFL. That's bullshit


    This thread is exactly the same negative nelly shit that was espoused on .NET when PC was hired. I am having deja vue all over again.

    Give the guy a chance. The bigger issue will be getting some bodies for the O line and a Oline coach that actually gets them blocking. I think people will be pleasently surprised bu Schotts.


    The team no longer has 2 people running the O and will now have one clear focus and direction that is much more of a change up O than 3 play DB could ever do.


    Oh I'm gonna give him a chance but if you think this hire is anything other then underwhelming your lying to yourself.
    So your saying that you have the final decision on his hiring? Lol i just had to[emoji6]

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:06 am
  • Did someone think the hawks were going to hire some sexy coach who throws it creatively across the field? It was always goin to be a hardnose running guy. Let’s see what he brings and then judge.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:50 am
  • It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out, who takes the play calling duties and whether he calls from the booth or the sidelines. It wouldn’t have been my number one pick, but his only OC experience was playing for Fischer, who’s often been called the worst HC in the NFL. With the right leadership and leeway, he might be able to unlock something!
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:18 am
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Give him a chance, heathens.


    Exactly
    Can't have it both ways.

    McDaniel wasn't available. Why is that so hard to understand
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:09 am
  • Does anyone know if his teams that he has been OC for use Zone Blocking ?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:10 am
  • fifty9fan wrote:I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!


    Now THERE's a voice of reason and experience! Absolutely right. Look, Brian Scottenheimer is 44 years old -- 44 years old! Some people here seem to be treating him like he's 94 years old, sitting in an Alzheimer's unit, spending his days chewing on his dentures or something. 44 is pretty darned young people ... and like fifty9fan is saying, people re-invent themselves all the time. They figure things out ... adapt over time ... and can actually make some pretty significant personal changes and the way they approach things.

    I'll raise my hand as one of those. I turn 47 next month (so I'm just a shade older than Scottenheimer here). Speaking purely for myself, when I was in my 20s (as I look back now), I thought I was pretty smart and knew everything. In my 30s, I would say that I came to realize that I didn't know as much as I thought I did. As a whole, I was fairly stressed and worried during those years, spending most of my energies figuring out career and how to provide for my family. I worked myself to death in a lot of ways, trying to please my bosses and make everyone around me happy. As I read the Patton Richard Piece that Maelstrom787 posted above, I see a lot of my past self in Schottenheimer's attitudes there. BUT, I'm not that same guy anymore. It's only been in the last 3-4 years that things have really started clicking for me. I've made some fairly significant shifts in the way I view things. I've learned from past mistakes ... and view life through much different lenses now than I did even 10 years ago. The glass is much more 1/2 full for me now (it was more 1/2 empty back then).

    Let's put things into perspective by going back to Pete Carroll. You guys realize that Pete was 43 years old when he was fired by the Jets? He was 48 when he was fired by the Patriots. It was at that point (after he'd been fired the 2nd time) that he met John Wooden ... and that exchange changed the course of his life and set him on the path that he is now. Carroll said Wooden told him (I'm paraphrasing here), "You're trying to be something that you're not. Stop trying to be everyone else. Be the best you that you can be."
    http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/18965/carroll-john-wooden-transformed-career

    So, USC fans reacted to them hiring a 50 year old Pete Carroll in 2001 ... very similar to a lot of Hawk fans are reacting to Brian Schottenheimer now.

    Point being, we have no idea what this version of Brian Scottenheimer is going to look like in Seattle. I would posit to you that we learn far more from our failures in life ... than ever do from our successes. It's clear that he is a very hard working passionate coach. I'm willing to give him a chance and to not pre-judge him. I sincerely hope others will as well.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:19 am
  • Hawkscanner wrote:
    fifty9fan wrote:I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!


    Now THERE's a voice of reason and experience! Absolutely right. Look, Brian Scottenheimer is 44 years old -- 44 years old! Some people here seem to be treating him like he's 94 years old, sitting in an Alzheimer's unit, spending his days chewing on his dentures or something. 44 is pretty darned young people ... and like fifty9fan is saying, people re-invent themselves all the time. They figure things out ... adapt over time ... and can actually make some pretty significant personal changes and the way they approach things.

    I'll raise my hand as one of those. I turn 47 next month (so I'm just a shade older than Scottenheimer here). Speaking purely for myself, when I was in my 20s (as I look back now), I thought I was pretty smart and knew everything. In my 30s, I would say that I came to realize that I didn't know as much as I thought I did. As a whole, I was fairly stressed and worried during those years, spending most of my energies figuring out career and how to provide for my family. I worked myself to death in a lot of ways, trying to please my bosses and make everyone around me happy. It's only been in the last 3-4 years that things have really started clicking for me. I've made some fairly significant shifts in the way I view things. I've learned from past mistakes ... and view life through much different lenses now than I did even 10 years ago. The glass is much more 1/2 full for me now (it was more 1/2 empty back then).

    Let's put things into perspective by going back to Pete Carroll. You guys realize that Pete was 43 years old when he was fired by the Jets? He was 48 when he was fired by the Patriots. It was at that point (after he'd been fired the 2nd time) that he met John Wooden ... and that exchange changed the course of his life and set him on the path that he is now. Carroll said Wooden told him (I'm paraphrasing here), "You're trying to be something that you're not. Stop trying to be everyone else. Be the best you that you can be."
    http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/18965/carroll-john-wooden-transformed-career

    So, USC fans reacted to them hiring a 50 year old Pete Carroll in 2001 ... very similar to a lot of Hawk fans are reacting to Brian Schottenheimer now.

    Point being, we have no idea what this version of Brian Scottenheimer is going to look like in Seattle. I would posit to you that we learn far more from our failures in life ... than ever do from our successes. It's clear that he is a very hard working passionate coach. I'm willing to give him a chance and to not pre-judge him. I sincerely hope others will as well.


    You said it wayyy better than me! :D
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:27 am
  • fifty9fan wrote:
    Hawkscanner wrote:
    fifty9fan wrote:I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!


    Now THERE's a voice of reason and experience! Absolutely right. Look, Brian Scottenheimer is 44 years old -- 44 years old! Some people here seem to be treating him like he's 94 years old, sitting in an Alzheimer's unit, spending his days chewing on his dentures or something. 44 is pretty darned young people ... and like fifty9fan is saying, people re-invent themselves all the time. They figure things out ... adapt over time ... and can actually make some pretty significant personal changes and the way they approach things.

    I'll raise my hand as one of those. I turn 47 next month (so I'm just a shade older than Scottenheimer here). Speaking purely for myself, when I was in my 20s (as I look back now), I thought I was pretty smart and knew everything. In my 30s, I would say that I came to realize that I didn't know as much as I thought I did. As a whole, I was fairly stressed and worried during those years, spending most of my energies figuring out career and how to provide for my family. I worked myself to death in a lot of ways, trying to please my bosses and make everyone around me happy. It's only been in the last 3-4 years that things have really started clicking for me. I've made some fairly significant shifts in the way I view things. I've learned from past mistakes ... and view life through much different lenses now than I did even 10 years ago. The glass is much more 1/2 full for me now (it was more 1/2 empty back then).

    Let's put things into perspective by going back to Pete Carroll. You guys realize that Pete was 43 years old when he was fired by the Jets? He was 48 when he was fired by the Patriots. It was at that point (after he'd been fired the 2nd time) that he met John Wooden ... and that exchange changed the course of his life and set him on the path that he is now. Carroll said Wooden told him (I'm paraphrasing here), "You're trying to be something that you're not. Stop trying to be everyone else. Be the best you that you can be."
    http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/18965/carroll-john-wooden-transformed-career

    So, USC fans reacted to them hiring a 50 year old Pete Carroll in 2001 ... very similar to a lot of Hawk fans are reacting to Brian Schottenheimer now.

    Point being, we have no idea what this version of Brian Scottenheimer is going to look like in Seattle. I would posit to you that we learn far more from our failures in life ... than ever do from our successes. It's clear that he is a very hard working passionate coach. I'm willing to give him a chance and to not pre-judge him. I sincerely hope others will as well.


    You said it wayyy better than me! :D
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    Thanks ... and I'll add what I added on to my comments above. As I read the Patton Richard Piece that Maelstrom787 posted above, I see a lot of my past self in Schottenheimer's attitudes there. BUT, I'm personally not that same guy anymore. In that piece, Scottenheimer was 38 years then ... he's 44 years old now. I hope that he's learned a few things over time as well. My best guess is that he probably has. AND furthermore ... he strikes me as exactly the kind of guy whom Pete Carroll could have a real positive effect on. Carroll could be for Schottenheimer ... what Wooden was for Carroll. Just a thought people.

    As I said, don't pre-judge this guy. Give him a chance.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:41 am
  • Hawkscanner wrote:
    fifty9fan wrote:
    Hawkscanner wrote:
    fifty9fan wrote:I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!


    Now THERE's a voice of reason and experience! Absolutely right. Look, Brian Scottenheimer is 44 years old -- 44 years old! Some people here seem to be treating him like he's 94 years old, sitting in an Alzheimer's unit, spending his days chewing on his dentures or something. 44 is pretty darned young people ... and like fifty9fan is saying, people re-invent themselves all the time. They figure things out ... adapt over time ... and can actually make some pretty significant personal changes and the way they approach things.

    I'll raise my hand as one of those. I turn 47 next month (so I'm just a shade older than Scottenheimer here). Speaking purely for myself, when I was in my 20s (as I look back now), I thought I was pretty smart and knew everything. In my 30s, I would say that I came to realize that I didn't know as much as I thought I did. As a whole, I was fairly stressed and worried during those years, spending most of my energies figuring out career and how to provide for my family. I worked myself to death in a lot of ways, trying to please my bosses and make everyone around me happy. It's only been in the last 3-4 years that things have really started clicking for me. I've made some fairly significant shifts in the way I view things. I've learned from past mistakes ... and view life through much different lenses now than I did even 10 years ago. The glass is much more 1/2 full for me now (it was more 1/2 empty back then).

    Let's put things into perspective by going back to Pete Carroll. You guys realize that Pete was 43 years old when he was fired by the Jets? He was 48 when he was fired by the Patriots. It was at that point (after he'd been fired the 2nd time) that he met John Wooden ... and that exchange changed the course of his life and set him on the path that he is now. Carroll said Wooden told him (I'm paraphrasing here), "You're trying to be something that you're not. Stop trying to be everyone else. Be the best you that you can be."
    http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/18965/carroll-john-wooden-transformed-career

    So, USC fans reacted to them hiring a 50 year old Pete Carroll in 2001 ... very similar to a lot of Hawk fans are reacting to Brian Schottenheimer now.

    Point being, we have no idea what this version of Brian Scottenheimer is going to look like in Seattle. I would posit to you that we learn far more from our failures in life ... than ever do from our successes. It's clear that he is a very hard working passionate coach. I'm willing to give him a chance and to not pre-judge him. I sincerely hope others will as well.


    You said it wayyy better than me! :D
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    Thanks ... and I'll add what I added on to my comments above. As I read the Patton Richard Piece that Maelstrom787 posted above, I see a lot of my past self in Schottenheimer's attitudes there. BUT, I'm personally not that same guy anymore. In that piece, Scottenheimer was 38 years then ... he's 44 years old now. I hope that he's learned a few things over time as well. My best guess is that he probably has. AND furthermore ... he strikes me as exactly the kind of guy whom Pete Carroll could have a real positive effect on. Carroll could be for Schottenheimer ... what Wooden was for Carroll. Just a thought people.

    As I said, don't pre-judge this guy. Give him a chance.


    On a side note, while reading up on him yesterday, I was saddened to see that his Dad is battling Alzheimer's. I hadn't heard that.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:02 am
  • I’m in just because we can call him Schotty

    What a name
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:23 am
  • Gibbo wrote:I’m in just because we can call him Schotty

    What a name


    Shoddy + S**tty = Schotty, right?

    And we’ve seen plenty of ‘schotty’ offense lately, so he should fit right in! :sarcasm_off:
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:25 am
  • Gibbo wrote:I’m in just because we can call him Schotty

    What a name

    I can just see what it's going to be in the shack after some games.
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    we do that then we will be gold.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:26 am
  • Came in here expecting to paint a negative picture of the hire but people are jumping off the cliff so no need to. While I'm not overly excited about it there are some things that point to this possibly working out. He is better presnap then Bevell was which is something Ray Roberts pointed out as a major problem for Seattle, he's made most QBs look better after working with them, and he utilizes the check down which is an area Bevell ignored. I'm not super excited but there are some positives to look to. It will be fun to see how this shakes out.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:52 am
  • Own The West wrote:
    Gibbo wrote:I’m in just because we can call him Schotty

    What a name


    Shoddy + S**tty = Schotty, right?

    And we’ve seen plenty of ‘schotty’ offense lately, so he should fit right in! :sarcasm_off:

    Oh no.

    Never thought of that.

    You’ve ruined it for me now.

    Schotty Out!
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:11 am
  • TwilightError wrote:Did someone think the hawks were going to hire some sexy coach who throws it creatively across the field? It was always goin to be a hardnose running guy. Let’s see what he brings and then judge.


    I wouldn't use the word sexy, but I think he's a decent looking dude.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:30 am
  • Reading comments on the net from Forbes to GangGreen, this hire is being overwhelmingly panned.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:33 am
  • The more I read about Schottenheimer, the more optimistic I am that he's going to end up being a decent hire.

    I think he can put together a decent offense here. More importantly, I think he can deliver the type of offense that can work in harmony with Pete's philosophy, which is good for overall results.

    Get this man a running back!!
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:33 am
  • Of course we are all looking for that football genius that will bring real innovation to a struggling yet talented offense. One important point to remember though is this is the NFL where the players have gotten so big AND fast AND strong that getting cute w/imaginative play calling can kill you.

    I remember when Chip Kelly, whom delirious Oregon fans had proclaimed the football genius of our time, came to the NFL. We all saw how that turned out. What Oregon fans failed to realize was that although Kelly was imaginative, it took a certain great Hawaiian QB surrounded by other talented players to implement that style of play. The same thing happened at UW when Marques Tuiasasopo ran the option to perfection while subsequent UW option QB's (Stanback) were barely able to implement the option at all.

    No, to be a successful OC in the NFL today takes real experience, the type of experience to be able to read what opposing defenses are taking away and what's available. Schottenheimer certainly has that experience, literally from day one, but it remains to be seen how all that experience will play out for us.

    For now, at least, I'm not going to second guess a coach/GM that has taken us to two Super Bowls and a World Championship.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:34 am
  • DomeHawk wrote:Of course we are all looking for that football genius that will bring real innovation to a struggling yet talented offense. One important point to remember though is this is the NFL where the players have gotten so big AND fast AND strong that getting cute w/imaginative play calling can kill you.

    I remember when Chip Kelly, whom delirious Oregon fans had proclaimed the football genius of our time, came to the NFL. We all saw how that turned out. What Oregon fans failed to realize was that although Kelly was imaginative, it took a certain great Hawaiian QB surrounded by other talented players to implement that style of play. The same thing happened at UW when Marques Tuiasasopo ran the option to perfection while subsequent UW option QB's (Stanback) were barely able to implement the option at all.

    No, to be a successful OC in the NFL today takes real experience, the type of experience to be able to read what opposing defenses are taking away and what's available. Schottenheimer certainly has that experience, literally from day one, but it remains to be seen how all that experience will play out for us.

    For now, at least, I'm not going to second guess a coach/GM that has taken us to two Super Bowls and a World Championship.


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:40 am
  • I'm not thrilled about the hire. But my investment into the Seahawks is only as a fan so I don't have any control over who gets the job. I can only hope that the offense runs better under him. Anyway I found this article about him when he was hired by Mark Richt, Georgia.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/richt--schottenheimer-fit-desired-offensive-philosophy-172245063.html.

    I thought this may be good because it's a 3rd party view of how he fit into Richt's vision of the Georgia offense (at that time) which seems to be similar to what Pete Carroll wants the Seahawks to be.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:48 am
  • Seahawks have done well with people that have experienced hardship with chip on their shoulder. Looks like this guy has it. Go Hawks!
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:50 am
  • Alright everyone just take a damn breath!

    I get it, it's not a sexy hire. But most of the sexy hires are looking at HC positions, not coordinator gigs. This was always the pool of applicants we were pulling from.

    And it's not the end of the world. It's hardly even the beginning of anything! Worst case scenario is that this is a lateral move, which is still an improvement. Getting rid of Bevell wasn't just about changing scheme; his name had become toxic. His history had left him tainted. He was the source of tension in a clearly divided locker room. Even if Schotty comes in and calls the exact same plays, he will still be calling them with a clean slate and with the confidence of the whole team behind him--which is more than we had before.

    Now: realize that he won't call the exact same plays, that we are finally trying something different, and, if the rumors are correct, that he will also have a say in who coaches the O-line.

    This is what we asked for. This is what it looks like. If you were hoping to see Josh McDaniels come over to coach Wilson, you were always going to be disappointed.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:45 am
  • I am pretty sure that if we have an OC that understands that we have three downs to get ten yards, we will be ok. We have witnessed for the past 4 years an offense that has consisted mostly of smear the ***** and fly up and people worried we are going to get worse?

    Shore up the offensive line and establish drives and not only will the defense look better but the offense will run into more points on accident.

    I could care less if our new OC is "boring", as long as he is smart and flexible.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:49 am
  • Seanhawk wrote:
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    Hawk-Lock wrote:I said this so many times, but be careful what you wish for. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.


    Bingo.

    Basically, we have another Bevell. And when we go 11-5 next year because we found some health and running game, then lose in the divisional round off the momentum from a couple of fluke plays, this time Pete will be the one to get the blame for hiring Schotty.


    But, let's see what this other Bevell can do without Cable. I truly think he was the greater problem.

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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:08 am
  • Pete wants to run the ball, he isn't concerned with the passing game. I guess he figures Russ will take care of that.

    A mediocre hire indeed, but a mediocre hire that could work if they do run the ball.

    If Pete cared about Russ he would of hired a WCO coach that fits Russ like a glove. Russ is very talented, and a tireless worker though, so he can fit in any system.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:03 pm
  • Fade wrote:Pete wants to run the ball, he isn't concerned with the passing game. I guess he figures Russ will take care of that.

    A mediocre hire indeed, but a mediocre hire that could work if they do run the ball.

    If Pete cared about Russ he would of hired a WCO coach that fits Russ like a glove. Russ is very talented, and a tireless worker though, so he can fit in any system.


    Seems a bit hyperbolic.

    If he doesn't care about the passing game, then why would he hire a QB coach who tutored Drew Brees during four formative seasons in San Diego and helped Andrew Luck to his best season.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:24 pm
  • fifty9fan wrote:I remember a head coach that went 41-55 in his first 6 seasons. Dude's name is Bill Belichick.

    I also remember Pete Carroll getting run out of the NFL on a rail after going 33-31 as a head coach with the Jets and Pats. Comes back in 2010 and has gone 79-48 since.

    Bet the folks in Buffalo were just thrilled to get Marv Levy, who went 31-42 in 5 seasons with KC. 4 Superbowl appearances later, and a 112-70 record with the Bills created one of the NFL's great runs, and if the ball had bounced differently a couple of times, they may have been named among the dynasties of the late 80's/early 90's.

    Point is, I don't think any of us have any idea what Schotty is gonna bring to the Seahawk table...just like the fans of the Pats, Seahawks and Bills had no clue either. And many of them cursed those hires, but in time, discovered the ability of humans to adapt, grow and succeed in new environments. Here's hoping the same thing happens to Schotty. I, for one, welcome his hire and hope for great results. And I can't wait to see what he does with Russ!!

    It's certainly possible it may turn out to be a less than stellar hire, but right now, it's all good.

    Go Hawks!!


    I'm sure Rams fans said the same thing about his Jets tenure. For every such story, there are five that just plunk.

    I'm operating on pure cynicism right now, I'll admit. Truth is, with a QB who's been good for nine wins per season (eleven with a capable kicker), I doubt Schotty looks all that bad in 2018.

    We'll see.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:57 pm
  • According to this article, BS is a zone blocking system guy. So don’t expect that philosophy to change. Hopefully they’ll find a coach who can teach it better to the players.
    https://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/2/19/4003178/ggn-chalkboard-offensive-line-play-101

    Furthermore, the author suggests that the ZBS is a simpler to learn than man blocking. What did Cable do to make a simple system difficult for the players? Whatever was done I hope can be reversed quickly and improve the play moving forward.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:21 pm
  • People are trying to put lipstick on a pig, man.

    Remember: things like "butt fumbles" happen under this guy.

    I've never been more negative about an offensive coach than I am about this guy, and that included DB and TC.


    I'm actually depressed over this hire.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:27 pm
  • The_Z_Man wrote:People are trying to put lipstick on a pig, man.

    Remember: things like "butt fumbles" happen under this guy.

    I've never been more negative about an offensive coach than I am about this guy, and that included DB and TC.


    I'm actually depressed over this hire.


    The butt fumble happened in 2012 to the Jets. Schottenheimer was with the Rams in 2012. Whoops.
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:34 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:People are trying to put lipstick on a pig, man.

    Remember: things like "butt fumbles" happen under this guy.

    I've never been more negative about an offensive coach than I am about this guy, and that included DB and TC.


    I'm actually depressed over this hire.


    The butt fumble happened in 2012 to the Jets. Schottenheimer was with the Rams in 2012. Whoops.


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Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:43 pm
  • Seanhawk wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:People are trying to put lipstick on a pig, man.

    Remember: things like "butt fumbles" happen under this guy.

    I've never been more negative about an offensive coach than I am about this guy, and that included DB and TC.


    I'm actually depressed over this hire.


    The butt fumble happened in 2012 to the Jets. Schottenheimer was with the Rams in 2012. Whoops.


    It was still his fault; who do you think taught Sanchez how to do it?
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:49 pm
  • This is the hire I was afraid they would make.

    Just want to throw my hat in the ring so my comments are on record.

    Schottenheimer Offenses are uncreative, unsuccessful, and complicated.

    He's going to be working with a sub-par O-line and the whole Offense will be learning new terminology (his scheme has been criticized for being too complex).

    He's had a top 15 Offense ONE TIME in his 9 seasons as OC. Never in Top 10. He's had a top 20 Offense TWO TIMES in 9 years. That's with better O-lines than what Seattle has, and twice he's had a Top 5 QB pick to groom and develop (and both became busts under his coaching).

    This will not end well. He's a "yes man" for Pete who said everything Pete wanted to hear (ie: I'm going to run the ball as much as I can). I would prefer they have fired Cable and kept Bevell to this. And I wanted Bevell gone.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:57 pm
  • flmmkrz wrote:I don't have a choice but to get on board but this whole process feels like an fu from Pete. We were clamoring for something different and Pete brings in the status quo. This confirms for me even more this decision to move on from DB was not from Pete it came above his head with PA and JS, so Pete went out and got himself a DB all over again. This was just change just to shut us up but it's business as usual. The idea that teams were going to be lining up for this guy is laughable, maybe this all goes great but if it does it'll be the first time an offense goes great under his watch, nobody was lining up for Shotty and they're selling us that we had to move. I wasn't sure about Deflippio or however his name was spelt but that was in the direction that would've created a little excitement. This is just deflating but I hope that smarter football minds than me know better.


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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:57 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:
    Seanhawk wrote:
    The_Z_Man wrote:People are trying to put lipstick on a pig, man.

    Remember: things like "butt fumbles" happen under this guy.

    I've never been more negative about an offensive coach than I am about this guy, and that included DB and TC.


    I'm actually depressed over this hire.


    The butt fumble happened in 2012 to the Jets. Schottenheimer was with the Rams in 2012. Whoops.


    Let the depressed remain depressed; it doesn't come from facts, just feelings. They have the right to feel however they wish, regardless of what it's based on.


    In 9 seasons of being a OC he's been outside of the top 20 7 times, I'm pretty sure the depressed feeling comes for the facts more then anything. Here's how walterfootball grades it http://walterfootball.com/coachfirehire.php
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:02 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:
    Fade wrote:Pete wants to run the ball, he isn't concerned with the passing game. I guess he figures Russ will take care of that.

    A mediocre hire indeed, but a mediocre hire that could work if they do run the ball.

    If Pete cared about Russ he would of hired a WCO coach that fits Russ like a glove. Russ is very talented, and a tireless worker though, so he can fit in any system.


    Seems a bit hyperbolic.

    If he doesn't care about the passing game, then why would he hire a QB coach who tutored Drew Brees during four formative seasons in San Diego and helped Andrew Luck to his best season.

    Schottenheimer tutored Brees like Bevell tutored RW.

    Luck's best season was in 2014 when he lead the league with 40 TD passes, and threw for nearly 4800 yds. Clyde Christensen was his QB coach. Pep Hamilton was his OC, the same one he had in college. Sure would be nice to put RW in a similar offense he had in college. Instead of Air Coryell which he has never run.

    Schotty was on staff with Luck in 2016, but he wasn't the OC. He had done such a bad job over his career he was demoted to QB coach. This is who they hired, and they better run the ball, or Pete is in trouble.
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Re: Brian Schottenheimer
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:11 pm
  • Pete wants a guy he can keep a lid on. It's pretty obvious. He doesn't want a guy who will throw it 47 times a game.

    Underwhelming hire. I don't know the guy besides his dad, but his resume isn't very good.

    It might work if they develop an offensive line and running game. I'd prefer someone with a better pedigree though.
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