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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:26 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    mikeak wrote:I am curious as to why the NFL would be so opposed to a team in Las Vegas but so pro a team in London....

    Sports gambling is huge in Europe

    Because Rog is a big goober that doesnt think things thru????


    It isn't up to Roger, it is the owners wanting to grow their money and with the United States all but tapped out as far as revenue, going outside the country has a better opportunity to make the owners more money.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:59 pm
  • rideaducati wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    mikeak wrote:I am curious as to why the NFL would be so opposed to a team in Las Vegas but so pro a team in London....

    Sports gambling is huge in Europe

    Because Rog is a big goober that doesnt think things thru????


    It isn't up to Roger, it is the owners wanting to grow their money and with the United States all but tapped out as far as revenue, going outside the country has a better opportunity to make the owners more money.

    Rog has a lot more pull then you are giving him credit for. They don't pay him upwards of 44 million dollars a year to be a figurehead in a suit. I think having a team outside the US/Canada would be an abysmal failure. BTW, the NFL gave up its anti-trust status so they won't have to say how much they are paying Rog. Who's idea do you think that was? (see Rog's).

    Vegas would be a lot easier sell than most would think if they got a stadium built.
    Vegas is a very easy market to sell, especially to those outside of Vegas. Just think of the travel/vacation packages they could sell to the other NFL Markets when those cities teams play an away game in the entertainment capital of the world. That's some serious untapped potential inside the US.

    Now would it be a homefield advantage a lot of the time for the home team??? Probably not. ......but every fan has one thing in common no matter what team they root for, everyone's money is green.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:31 pm
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    rideaducati wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    mikeak wrote:I am curious as to why the NFL would be so opposed to a team in Las Vegas but so pro a team in London....

    Sports gambling is huge in Europe

    Because Rog is a big goober that doesnt think things thru????


    It isn't up to Roger, it is the owners wanting to grow their money and with the United States all but tapped out as far as revenue, going outside the country has a better opportunity to make the owners more money.

    Rog has a lot more pull then you are giving him credit for. They don't pay him upwards of 44 million dollars a year to be a figurehead in a suit. I think having a team outside the US/Canada would be an abysmal failure. BTW, the NFL gave up its anti-trust status so they won't have to say how much they are paying Rog. Who's idea do you think that was? (see Rog's).

    Vegas would be a lot easier sell than most would think if they got a stadium built.
    Vegas is a very easy market to sell, especially to those outside of Vegas. Just think of the travel/vacation packages they could sell to the other NFL Markets when those cities teams play an away game in the entertainment capital of the world. That's some serious untapped potential inside the US.

    Now would it be a homefield advantage a lot of the time for the home team??? Probably not. ......but every fan has one thing in common no matter what team they root for, everyone's money is green.


    I like this from the marketing angle as a destination gameplace.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:36 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    rideaducati wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    mikeak wrote:I am curious as to why the NFL would be so opposed to a team in Las Vegas but so pro a team in London....

    Sports gambling is huge in Europe

    Because Rog is a big goober that doesnt think things thru????


    It isn't up to Roger, it is the owners wanting to grow their money and with the United States all but tapped out as far as revenue, going outside the country has a better opportunity to make the owners more money.

    Rog has a lot more pull then you are giving him credit for. They don't pay him upwards of 44 million dollars a year to be a figurehead in a suit. I think having a team outside the US/Canada would be an abysmal failure. BTW, the NFL gave up its anti-trust status so they won't have to say how much they are paying Rog. Who's idea do you think that was? (see Rog's).

    Vegas would be a lot easier sell than most would think if they got a stadium built.
    Vegas is a very easy market to sell, especially to those outside of Vegas. Just think of the travel/vacation packages they could sell to the other NFL Markets when those cities teams play an away game in the entertainment capital of the world. That's some serious untapped potential inside the US.

    Now would it be a homefield advantage a lot of the time for the home team??? Probably not. ......but every fan has one thing in common no matter what team they root for, everyone's money is green.


    Roger Goodell's earnings for last year were released just a few weeks ago. He made a million from each owner. I doubt his earnings had anything to do with the NFL giving up anything regarding their anti-trust status. He actually IS a figure head in a suit. The owners sure as hell don't want the public going after them like the public goes after Goodell.

    The owners pay Goodell. Do you really believe Goodell would do anything that the owners don't want him to do? There is a good reason he still has his job and that is because the owners believe he is doing a good job.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:41 pm
  • I'd rather see them in LA, I don't like having a division rival as the only LA team and I don't want to see the Chargers leave San Diego.
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Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:52 pm
  • Rumor has it that The Fertittas sold UFC to position themselves in helping make the LV Raiders a reality.
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Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:10 pm
  • kearly wrote:I'd rather see them in LA, I don't like having a division rival as the only LA team and I don't want to see the Chargers leave San Diego.


    What's the reasoning behind not wanting only a division rival in LA?
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Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:36 pm
  • They also just applied for the rights to Use Las Vegas Raiders officially.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:59 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:They also just applied for the rights to Use Las Vegas Raiders officially.


    Even better - anything that keeps them outa LA.

    Here's a link that gives more info on the trademark filings, and a quote from Davis -

    “It’s a new market,” Davis said in late May. “It’s got the potential to be a very exciting market. It’s one of the places where, the Raider fans in northern California … it’s a neutral site. It’s going to unite the Raider nation more than divide it. I’ve given my commitment to Las Vegas and if they can come through with what they’re talking about doing, then we’ll go to Las Vegas.”


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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:36 pm
  • City will need to pay $750 million but would own the stadium

    Interesting requirement of minimum $750 million but you get something for it (something that will cost to keep maintained - not sure who would pay for that part)
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:24 pm
  • mikeak wrote:City will need to pay $750 million but would own the stadium

    Interesting requirement of minimum $750 million but you get something for it (something that will cost to keep maintained - not sure who would pay for that part)


    That's chump change compared to what some of those casinos cost!
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:39 pm
  • I'm hoping this happens. Would be just another excuse to go to Vegas if the Hawks are playing a game there. 8)
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:45 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:I'm hoping this happens. Would be just another excuse to go to Vegas if the Hawks are playing a game there. 8)


    I could easily rope a few non local buddies into a vegas trip if the hawks were playing there. It'd be awesome.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:43 pm
  • SeatownJay wrote:Looks like their one step closer.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1755 ... um-raiders


    Again, while the amount of public money that goes into a stadium is appalling, I still rather like the idea of the Las Vegas Raiders. Plus, let's be honest. The Raider are genuinely in need of a new stadium. The O.co Coliseum is a literal shithole, and I MEAN literal.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:48 pm
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    SeatownJay wrote:Looks like their one step closer.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1755 ... um-raiders


    Again, while the amount of public money that goes into a stadium is appalling...


    I don't think the citizens of Las Vegas agree with you :)

    Public pressure mounted, too.

    Union members wearing Raiders gear held tailgate parties outside the committee's meetings, and cheerleaders in silver and black flanked the entrances to the meeting on Thursday. Electronic billboards along the interstate urged people to "hold politicians accountable'' on the stadium deal and recommended the hashtag "Don't Screw This Up NV.''
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:26 pm
  • b8rtm8nn wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    SeatownJay wrote:Looks like their one step closer.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1755 ... um-raiders


    Again, while the amount of public money that goes into a stadium is appalling...


    I don't think the citizens of Las Vegas agree with you :)

    Public pressure mounted, too.

    Union members wearing Raiders gear held tailgate parties outside the committee's meetings, and cheerleaders in silver and black flanked the entrances to the meeting on Thursday. Electronic billboards along the interstate urged people to "hold politicians accountable'' on the stadium deal and recommended the hashtag "Don't Screw This Up NV.''


    Hey, I'm not against the move, and Mark Davis is probably the only owner in the league that genuinely couldn't pay for a stadium with his pocket change.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:40 pm
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    Maulbert wrote:
    SeatownJay wrote:Looks like their one step closer.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1755 ... um-raiders


    Again, while the amount of public money that goes into a stadium is appalling...


    I don't think the citizens of Las Vegas agree with you :)

    Public pressure mounted, too.

    Union members wearing Raiders gear held tailgate parties outside the committee's meetings, and cheerleaders in silver and black flanked the entrances to the meeting on Thursday. Electronic billboards along the interstate urged people to "hold politicians accountable'' on the stadium deal and recommended the hashtag "Don't Screw This Up NV.''

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought "we the tourists" that choose to frequent Vegas would foot the bill thru hotel/rental car taxes???, and very little if any would come out of the local taxpayers pockets??


    I thought that's what I heard on the radio.


    Vegas is probably the one city that could generate the revenue to pay off a new football stadium (via the tourist dime) fairly quickly in relation to other cities.
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:12 pm
  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    b8rtm8nn wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
    SeatownJay wrote:Looks like their one step closer.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1755 ... um-raiders


    Again, while the amount of public money that goes into a stadium is appalling...


    I don't think the citizens of Las Vegas agree with you :)

    Public pressure mounted, too.

    Union members wearing Raiders gear held tailgate parties outside the committee's meetings, and cheerleaders in silver and black flanked the entrances to the meeting on Thursday. Electronic billboards along the interstate urged people to "hold politicians accountable'' on the stadium deal and recommended the hashtag "Don't Screw This Up NV.''

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought "we the tourists" that choose to frequent Vegas would foot the bill thru hotel/rental car taxes???, and very little if any would come out of the local taxpayers pockets??


    I thought that's what I heard on the radio.


    Vegas is probably the one city that could generate the revenue to pay off a new football stadium (via the tourist dime) fairly quickly in relation to other cities.


    Yeah - this is primarily through hotel taxes and the deal is structured so that the city doesn't go in the red even if there is a massive dip on tourism (supposedly). I can see why the locals would want it and they should have a good crop of candidates for their cheerleading squad :)
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:52 am
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    HoustonHawk82 wrote:That haircut.

    Damn. :mrgreen:

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    There is eccentric...and then there is poor taste. He also wears a fanny pack and drives a hooptie minivan. Ignorance is bliss even to billionaires I guess.

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    The guy isn't ignorant, that's for sure. I read an article on him, he's eccentric and notoriously cheap, it's why he drives an old hooptie. He also supposedly drives an hour to pay someone $300 for that haircut because he's comfortable with the guy. I don't judge
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Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:43 pm
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:44 pm
  • Can't wait to see how the owners screw the Raiders over.
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:42 pm
  • Wait a second here. I thought that if a team moved, they had to leave the NAME and go with a different NAME so that if a team came back to the original location, they could keep the name previously. Hence the Colts, Houston Oilers, you get my drift. Baltimore Colts became the new expanded team Baltimore Ravens. That was my understanding of it....





    p.s. San Diego Chargers to Lousiana...er uh...L.A. Chargers???? Hmmm.
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:47 pm
  • Seahawkfan80 wrote:Wait a second here. I thought that if a team moved, they had to leave the NAME and go with a different NAME so that if a team came back to the original location, they could keep the name previously. Hence the Colts, Houston Oilers, you get my drift. Baltimore Colts became the new expanded team Baltimore Ravens. That was my understanding of it....





    p.s. San Diego Chargers to Lousiana...er uh...L.A. Chargers???? Hmmm.


    Nope. The team owns the name. The only reason the Browns history remained in Cleveland was as part of a lawsuit settlement. The Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis and kept the Colts name and history, as did the Cardinals when they moved from Chicago to St. Louis to Arizona , and the Rams name stuck from Cleveland to Los Angeles to St. Louis and back to LA. The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA then back to Oakland as the Raiders. The Oilers moved to Tennessee as the Oilers with their history in tow before they dumped the name for the Titans when they moved into their new stadium.
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:53 pm
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    Seahawkfan80 wrote:Wait a second here. I thought that if a team moved, they had to leave the NAME and go with a different NAME so that if a team came back to the original location, they could keep the name previously. Hence the Colts, Houston Oilers, you get my drift. Baltimore Colts became the new expanded team Baltimore Ravens. That was my understanding of it....





    p.s. San Diego Chargers to Lousiana...er uh...L.A. Chargers???? Hmmm.


    Nope. The team owns the name. The only reason the Browns history remained in Cleveland was as part of a lawsuit settlement. The Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis and kept the Colts name and history, as did the Cardinals when they moved from Chicago to St. Louis to Arizona , and the Rams name stuck from Cleveland to Los Angeles to St. Louis and back to LA. The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA then back to Oakland as the Raiders. The Oilers moved to Tennessee as the Oilers with their history in tow before they dumped the name for the Titans when they moved into their new stadium.


    And the 49ers kept the 49ers even though they moved to Santa Clara. :)
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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:55 pm
  • Well the plus side will be when its Seattle @ Las Vegas, its only 4ish hours from me! And the in-laws live there! Free stay! Yesssss!
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:13 am
  • DHawk wrote:Well the plus side will be when its Seattle @ Las Vegas, its only 4ish hours from me! And the in-laws live there! Free stay! Yesssss!


    The negative side, that won't happen in a regular season game until 2026.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:21 am
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    DHawk wrote:Well the plus side will be when its Seattle @ Las Vegas, its only 4ish hours from me! And the in-laws live there! Free stay! Yesssss!


    The negative side, that won't happen in a regular season game until 2026.


    Holy crap. That sucks.
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Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:46 pm
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    DHawk wrote:Well the plus side will be when its Seattle @ Las Vegas, its only 4ish hours from me! And the in-laws live there! Free stay! Yesssss!


    The negative side, that won't happen in a regular season game until 2026.


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Re: Las Vegas Raiders???
Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:01 pm
  • I hate this move, because now Las Vegas is even more of a temptation for me to visit once every year or two. As if it wasn't already.

    Sigh.


    (In all seriousness, I think putting a team in Vegas is simply appropriate; more so than having two in the Bay area.)
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:I hate this move, because now Las Vegas is even more of a temptation for me to visit once every year or two. As if it wasn't already.

    Sigh.


    (In all seriousness, I think putting a team in Vegas is simply appropriate; more so than having two in the Bay area.)


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  • HawkGA wrote:
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    DHawk wrote:Well the plus side will be when its Seattle @ Las Vegas, its only 4ish hours from me! And the in-laws live there! Free stay! Yesssss!


    The negative side, that won't happen in a regular season game until 2026.


    Holy crap. That sucks.


    Yep. We play there in 2018. They play in Seattle in 2022. Then it rotates back to Oakland/Las Vegas in 2026.
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Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:29 pm
  • Sheldon Adelson, the Las Vegas billionaire who was working to help bring the Raiders to Las Vegas, has withdrawn his investment in the new stadium. Apparently he wasn't thrilled with how the Raiders handled the lease proposal.

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Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:44 pm
  • San Diego an option for the Raiders?


    If Raiders bust in Vegas, San Diego remains option

    Acknowledging that the chance the Raiders veer from their Las Vegas plan, San Diego can still make contingency plans and align its efforts.

    In fact, city officials are intrigued enough by the possibility of becoming an NFL town again sooner than later that sources said at least two people at city hall plan to reach out to NFL officials, one to the Raiders and the other to the NFL, in the wake of news about the Raiders’ Las Vegas bid being imperiled.

    Questions about whether San Diego should or could provide a landing spot for a disenfranchised franchise aside, it should be noted that the city’s foray into the other football could actually be a boon to such a quest.

    Certainly, interest in bringing the Raiders or any NFL team to San Diego is no reason to pump the brakes on the process of vetting the group of investors seeking to land an MLS expansion franchise for the city.

    An effort to bring an NFL franchise to San Diego would actually be aided by the proposal to build a soccer stadium and mixed-use development on the Mission Valley site that currently houses Qualcomm Stadium.

    The proposed development, which calls for a 20,000-seat stadium for an MLS expansion franchise along with housing, retail, office and entertainment space, sets aside a 16-acre parcel specifically for an NFL stadium. The MLS proposal calls for the San Diego State football team to play in the smaller stadium, which would expand to 30,000 for football games. The Aztecs, who would prefer a slightly larger venue, could conceivably play in an NFL stadium.

    Regardless, these efforts could work in harmony.

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Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:09 pm
  • Well the current San Diego Stadium would be an upgrade over the Coliseum anyway.
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:43 pm
  • Raiders to Vegas may not be dead. It's being reported that they've secured financing through Bank of America to replace what they lost when Adelson & Goldman Sachs withdrew.

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