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  • Currently:

    Eagles 7-1
    Vikings 6-2
    Saints 5-2
    Rams 5-2
    Seahawks 5-2

    Predicted:

    Eagles 12-4 - #1
    Vikings 9-7 - #4
    Saints 10-6 - #3
    Rams 11-5 - #2

    Wildcard:

    Seahawks 10-6 #6
    Cowboys 10-6 #5 (tiebreaker win over Seattle)

    AFC looks a little too wide open to predict right now outside of 2 or 3 teams (NE, KC, PITT)

    What do you guys think?
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  • Which four teams beat the Seahawks? I don't think they will go 14-2 but who do you see them getting beat by?
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  • Rams, eagles ,and cowboys are probably the teams that beat Seattle maybe Jax if they can get some better qb play out of Bortles but that D is amazing.
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  • As the resident Eagles fan, I believe 1/2 is absolutely coming down to Seahawks/Eagles and that Dec 3rd game is going to be massive. With that, I take a look at both schedules and certainly think the Eagles have a tougher slate down the stretch which bodes well for the Hawks but the homerism in me is strong and I still think the Eagles get it done.

    My take:

    Eagles

    DEN: W, I think we win this one at home. Denver's D is legit but their offense kinda stinks. Think the Eagles get it done.
    BYE
    @DAL: L, Is Zeke suspended? NFC East games are strange. This is in Dallas, on Sunday Night. I'll give this to Dallas.
    CHI: W, Not much to be said here. Shouldn't be too difficult to win this at home.
    @SEA: L, This is going to be tough to win on Sunday Night in Seattle. I expect a good game but I think you guys take this one.
    @LAR: W, I don't see the Eagles losing both games out here on the West Coast. The Coliseum is NOT Century Link and I think the Eagles D will pressure Goff enough to escape with a W.
    @ NYG: W. Giants have already kind of packed it in, I feel like that will be even more so at this point in the season.
    OAK: W, This is a tough one for me but I'll give the Eagles the edge at home on Christmas Night. I think that building will be electric and make it a fun one but I think the Eagles win this one.
    DAL: W, I see a split with Dallas. I gave Dallas the first one so I take this one. You could flip these if Zeke is suspended for the first matchup. If he is, he'll be back for this one.

    So I have the Eagles at 13-3. I'm sure they'll drop a game they should win (@LAR, OAK, @NYG) so 13-3 probably isn't going to happen but it's hard for me to peg another L in any of those games right now.

    SEA

    WAS: W, They are a banged up football team right now....really bad on the injury front. Not that I'd pick them here anyway in Seattle.
    @ARI: W, Arizona has nothing. Of course, these NFCW games are weird like the NFCE so who knows but I think you guys handle your business.
    ATL: W. At home...Monday Night. Atlanta seems to be a disappointment this year. Could that change? Sure. Doubt it'll be here, though.
    @SF: W. Won't waste keystrokes.
    PHI: W, Already covered above.
    @JAX: L, This is one of those weird games. 10AM start on the east coast in Jacksonville. That Jacksonville defense is very very good. I think this is going to be a tough one for the Hawks to leave with a W on.
    LAR: W. Tough division game. Not sure if LAR will still be in the thick of the playoff/division hunt at this point but I think they will so who knows but again, that HFA plays big in this game. Hawks win.
    @DAL: L, This comes back to the Zeke thing. Does he play? If he does, I like them to win here. If he doesn't, Seattle will win this going away. He is that important to that offense. If he is suspended starting this week, he's back for this game.
    ARI: W. I just don't like the Cards even a little bit.

    12-4, #2 Seed. Again, The Eagles typically ALWAYS drop at least one they shouldn't so a 12-4 finish from both with the Seahawks getting the #1 seed with the H2H tiebreaker would not shock me even a little bit.

    The Rest:

    #3: New Orleans Saints (11-5)
    #4 Minnesota Vikings (10-6)
    #5: Carolina Panthers (10-6)
    #6: LA Rams (10-6 or 9-7)

    If Zeke gets his injunction for the whole season (should know this week) then Dallas gets a WC. If not, they are going to sink quickly.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:Which four teams beat the Seahawks? I don't think they will go 14-2 but who do you see them getting beat by?


    Going by a game by game basis I picture the December opponents of Eagles, Rams, Jags, Cowboys beating the Seahawks. Those are the teams that have the offense and/or defense to get it done. Eagles are a strong team, the Rams are the Rams, Jags @10 am with that defense at home, Cowboys at home with a team that fares well against the Hawks.

    And by that token one expects them to win all of their November games (Skins, 49ers, Cardinals, Falcons), and the season finale against the Cards. These are all teams that have flaws and have struggled, with the non division games at home and the division opponents playing less than stellar football, to put it nicely.

    But that's not how football has worked or ever will work. Even teams that finish 15-1 often lose to a team that is far from elite.

    So I figure an even split November/December. Something like Skins and Cardinals winning, with the Eagles and Rams losing.
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  • We are not losing to Blake bortles.... and we don't drop a home game... 14-2 or 13-3... book it.. especially now with Duane brown.
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  • I think the Eagles or Seahawks will be the #1. Whoever isn't #1 will be #2. I expect Seattle to take the game in Seattle, largely because of homefield.

    Minnesota will be #3. They are this years equivalent to the 2015 Panthers and 2016 Cowboys. Not untalented, but playing above their heads with a weak schedule.

    The Saints will take the south at #4. They're playing much better this year.

    I think the wildcards are LA and Carolina. I don't love the Panthers, but the talent is there. Their big problem is the inability of Cammy and Riviera to take a punch in the mouth to start a game. Get a good start on them and Cam goes into his shell.
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  • NINEster wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:Which four teams beat the Seahawks? I don't think they will go 14-2 but who do you see them getting beat by?


    Going by a game by game basis I picture the December opponents of Eagles, Rams, Jags, Cowboys beating the Seahawks. Those are the teams that have the offense and/or defense to get it done. Eagles are a strong team, the Rams are the Rams, Jags @10 am with that defense at home, Cowboys at home with a team that fares well against the Hawks.

    And by that token one expects them to win all of their November games (Skins, 49ers, Cardinals, Falcons), and the season finale against the Cards. These are all teams that have flaws and have struggled, with the non division games at home and the division opponents playing less than stellar football, to put it nicely.

    But that's not how football has worked or ever will work. Even teams that finish 15-1 often lose to a team that is far from elite.

    So I figure an even split November/December. Something like Skins and Cardinals winning, with the Eagles and Rams losing.


    Fun fact: since drafting Russell Wilson, the Seahawks are 15-4 in November, and 17-5 in December, for a combined record of 32-9 in those months. You seriously expect us to turn into a .500 team suddenly? No credibility.
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  • Maulbert wrote:
    NINEster wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:Which four teams beat the Seahawks? I don't think they will go 14-2 but who do you see them getting beat by?


    Going by a game by game basis I picture the December opponents of Eagles, Rams, Jags, Cowboys beating the Seahawks. Those are the teams that have the offense and/or defense to get it done. Eagles are a strong team, the Rams are the Rams, Jags @10 am with that defense at home, Cowboys at home with a team that fares well against the Hawks.

    And by that token one expects them to win all of their November games (Skins, 49ers, Cardinals, Falcons), and the season finale against the Cards. These are all teams that have flaws and have struggled, with the non division games at home and the division opponents playing less than stellar football, to put it nicely.

    But that's not how football has worked or ever will work. Even teams that finish 15-1 often lose to a team that is far from elite.

    So I figure an even split November/December. Something like Skins and Cardinals winning, with the Eagles and Rams losing.


    Fun fact: since drafting Russell Wilson, the Seahawks are 15-4 in November, and 17-5 in December, for a combined record of 32-9 in those months. You seriously expect us to turn into a .500 team suddenly? No credibility.


    Somehow the Hawks have been a 10 win team the last two seasons.

    We'll see.

    BTW, I have the team being above .500 to finish.
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  • NINEster wrote:Currently:

    Eagles 7-1
    Vikings 6-2
    Saints 5-2
    Rams 5-2
    Seahawks 5-2

    Predicted:

    Eagles 12-4 - #1
    Vikings 9-7 - #4
    Saints 10-6 - #3
    Rams 11-5 - #2

    Wildcard:

    Seahawks 10-6 #6
    Cowboys 10-6 #5 (tiebreaker win over Seattle)

    AFC looks a little too wide open to predict right now outside of 2 or 3 teams (NE, KC, PITT)

    What do you guys think?

    C'mon man...

    1. Seahawks 13-3
    2. Saints 12-4
    3. Vikings 12-4
    4. Eagles 11-5
    5. Rams 11-5
    6. Panthers 10-6
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  • Josea16 wrote:C'mon man...

    1. Seahawks 13-3
    2. Saints 12-4
    3. Vikings 12-4
    4. Eagles 11-5
    5. Rams 11-5
    6. Panthers 10-6



    22 wins by the Saints and Panthers. Do you think Atlanta is going to implode? I think they are starting to fall apart and Tampa Bay is shocking how bad they are.
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  • Okay, so the Rams are winning the division? This is ridiculous man. Not impossible, but unlikely. They are MUCH improved, but come on. They're beating us in Seattle, where they've won once since 2004? Okay. I can see your point about the Eagles, Cowboys, and Jags. Totally could lose all of those but let's say we go 1-2 there. Lose one out of Skins, Cards x2, Niners, and Falcons. That's 11-5.

    Look, anything can happen. We could go 5-11. 11-5 or better seems much more likely.

    To kj1985: the way your team's been playing, I think you're selling them short man. Nice to see a reasonable, humble fan though, really respect that. We now know Zeke is suspended starting this week so I think that y'all win @DAL and lose vs. DAL because of the division rival thing and also aren't you guys susceptible at the Linc vs. the Boys lately? Not sure tbh. You will destroy the Raiders.... Carr is vastly overrated and their defense SUCKS. I think the Eagles can make it to 13-3 but it depends on how good Big V is at filling in for Peters and if Wentz can keep improving. Dude's making plays but there are some weirdly inaccurate throws and off-decisions mixed in there. Great team overall, really the only one playing true complimentary football in the league at this point.
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  • sdog1981 wrote:
    Josea16 wrote:C'mon man...

    1. Seahawks 13-3
    2. Saints 12-4
    3. Vikings 12-4
    4. Eagles 11-5
    5. Rams 11-5
    6. Panthers 10-6



    22 wins by the Saints and Panthers. Do you think Atlanta is going to implode? I think they are starting to fall apart and Tampa Bay is shocking how bad they are.
    Yes and yes. We will make sure in Atlanta's case straight up. Especially given we now have an actual NFL OL line starting next Sunday.

    I figure Russell Wilson with nothing and 5-2 is good enough for 9-0/8-1 with Duane Brown protecting his blind side. 452 yards and 4 touchdowns when they quit screwing around honey.

    And yeah Carolina is good for 9-10 wins and New Orleans is a Superbowl contender given Brees has Ingram and his special K stablemate. Luckily our defense is still special and now our OL will be decent going forward.
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  • adeltaY wrote:To kj1985: the way your team's been playing, I think you're selling them short man. Nice to see a reasonable, humble fan though, really respect that. We now know Zeke is suspended starting this week so I think that y'all win @DAL and lose vs. DAL because of the division rival thing and also aren't you guys susceptible at the Linc vs. the Boys lately? Not sure tbh. You will destroy the Raiders.... Carr is vastly overrated and their defense SUCKS. I think the Eagles can make it to 13-3 but it depends on how good Big V is at filling in for Peters and if Wentz can keep improving. Dude's making plays but there are some weirdly inaccurate throws and off-decisions mixed in there. Great team overall, really the only one playing true complimentary football in the league at this point.


    I've been an Eagles fan since I started watching football when I was 6 (26 years ago) and I've been through countless seasons of heartbreak with this team so I try to temper my expectations and be realistic until I am given a reason to feel otherwise :D

    With that, I think as you said with Zeke being suspended that it bodes very well for that first matchup @DAL in three weeks that I did have as a loss. I think it's certainly more winnable now but it's still a tough division game so who knows. Nothing will surprise me there but I certainly feel a little more confident now than I did when I created my original post.

    But yes, the Cowboys have played well in Philly the last few years but very different teams so I don't worry much about that.

    Big V was decent on Sunday and should be sufficient enough to hold up, at least I hope. Time will tell....tough matchup for them this week with that Denver defense so I am curious to see how that goes.
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  • Josea16 wrote:C'mon man...

    1. Seahawks 13-3
    2. Saints 12-4
    3. Vikings 12-4
    4. Eagles 11-5
    5. Rams 11-5
    6. Panthers 10-6


    Based off your post that I read the other day, you aren't even remotely a believer in the Eagles and that is fine. But I am just curious, where do you have them losing their next four? @SEA...and?
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  • LOL don't worry. The Eagles would have to completely implode or suffer some crazy injuries to fall to 11-5. I think 12-4 is the absolute floor. Denver's defense is probably the best in the league but their stats won't show it due to their offense being really bad and hanging them out to dry almost every game. So y'all should beat them comfortably unless Os somehow does much better than Siemian. The Bears miiiight be a sneaky tough game, but like you said it's at home so I doubt the birds will lose. IDK how that guy found four more losses in your schedule. Possible, but highly unlikely.

    It's not like the time y'all started 9-3 under Chip ;)
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  • adeltaY wrote:LOL don't worry. The Eagles would have to completely implode or suffer some crazy injuries to fall to 11-5. I think 12-4 is the absolute floor. Denver's defense is probably the best in the league but their stats won't show it due to their offense being really bad and hanging them out to dry almost every game. So y'all should beat them comfortably unless Os somehow does much better than Siemian. The Bears miiiight be a sneaky tough game, but like you said it's at home so I doubt the birds will lose. IDK how that guy found four more losses in your schedule. Possible, but highly unlikely.

    It's not like the time y'all started 9-3 under Chip ;)


    That Bears game is interesting, as you said. I don't think they lose it but as I mentioned a few posts ago, the Eagles ALWAYS lose a game they absolutely shouldn't at least once per year. They haven't done that yet so that could be the one although I'm more inclined to say it'll be @NYG.

    In terms of this weekend...that Denver D is obviously for real and I'll be curious to see how the Eagles attack it. It does sound like Brock Osweiler is going to be the starter for Denver and Emmanuel Sanders is supposedly coming back, too....so that one could be a trip up game. I think the Eagles pass rush will get it done at the end.

    If they can get past Denver, I think 10-1 coming into Seattle is very plausible.

    Been to every Eagles-Seahawks game since my first ever NFL game in 2001 at Husky Stadium and am planning on going to this one as well but man, it's going to be a hot (very pricey) ticket...as if it wasn't already top dollar to get in. Should be fun.
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  • xkj1985x wrote:As the resident Eagles fan, I believe 1/2 is absolutely coming down to Seahawks/Eagles and that Dec 3rd game is going to be massive. With that, I take a look at both schedules and certainly think the Eagles have a tougher slate down the stretch which bodes well for the Hawks but the homerism in me is strong and I still think the Eagles get it done.

    My take:

    Eagles

    DEN: W, I think we win this one at home. Denver's D is legit but their offense kinda stinks. Think the Eagles get it done.
    BYE
    @DAL: L, Is Zeke suspended? NFC East games are strange. This is in Dallas, on Sunday Night. I'll give this to Dallas.
    CHI: W, Not much to be said here. Shouldn't be too difficult to win this at home.
    @SEA: L, This is going to be tough to win on Sunday Night in Seattle. I expect a good game but I think you guys take this one.
    @LAR: W, I don't see the Eagles losing both games out here on the West Coast. The Coliseum is NOT Century Link and I think the Eagles D will pressure Goff enough to escape with a W.
    @ NYG: W. Giants have already kind of packed it in, I feel like that will be even more so at this point in the season.
    OAK: W, This is a tough one for me but I'll give the Eagles the edge at home on Christmas Night. I think that building will be electric and make it a fun one but I think the Eagles win this one.
    DAL: W, I see a split with Dallas. I gave Dallas the first one so I take this one. You could flip these if Zeke is suspended for the first matchup. If he is, he'll be back for this one.

    So I have the Eagles at 13-3. I'm sure they'll drop a game they should win (@LAR, OAK, @NYG) so 13-3 probably isn't going to happen but it's hard for me to peg another L in any of those games right now.

    SEA

    WAS: W, They are a banged up football team right now....really bad on the injury front. Not that I'd pick them here anyway in Seattle.
    @ARI: W, Arizona has nothing. Of course, these NFCW games are weird like the NFCE so who knows but I think you guys handle your business.
    ATL: W. At home...Monday Night. Atlanta seems to be a disappointment this year. Could that change? Sure. Doubt it'll be here, though.
    @SF: W. Won't waste keystrokes.
    PHI: W, Already covered above.
    @JAX: L, This is one of those weird games. 10AM start on the east coast in Jacksonville. That Jacksonville defense is very very good. I think this is going to be a tough one for the Hawks to leave with a W on.
    LAR: W. Tough division game. Not sure if LAR will still be in the thick of the playoff/division hunt at this point but I think they will so who knows but again, that HFA plays big in this game. Hawks win.
    @DAL: L, This comes back to the Zeke thing. Does he play? If he does, I like them to win here. If he doesn't, Seattle will win this going away. He is that important to that offense. If he is suspended starting this week, he's back for this game.
    ARI: W. I just don't like the Cards even a little bit.

    12-4, #2 Seed. Again, The Eagles typically ALWAYS drop at least one they shouldn't so a 12-4 finish from both with the Seahawks getting the #1 seed with the H2H tiebreaker would not shock me even a little bit.

    The Rest:

    #3: New Orleans Saints (11-5)
    #4 Minnesota Vikings (10-6)
    #5: Carolina Panthers (10-6)
    #6: LA Rams (10-6 or 9-7)

    If Zeke gets his injunction for the whole season (should know this week) then Dallas gets a WC. If not, they are going to sink quickly.



    The Rams have not been good at home this year..

    But, I've never seen a team have to travel to the far West coast in back to back weeks...the NFL tried to avoid an East coast team having to do this in the same year, period, before the Rams moved back to LA.

    So, here's the deal. On a neutral field, I think Eagles would be favored over the Rams. The Rams haven't been good at home - but despite that, I don't think you can say that the Eagles *should* beat the Rams in LA. The Rams have looked just as impressive as the Eagles in some ways. I think the Rams will be favored and will ultimately win the game because the Eagles will be traveling West (or staying out there) for a 2nd consecutive week....but it's certainly not a game the Eagles *should* win....it's a toss up.
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  • It'll take a lot for the Rams to win the West. Really needed Houston to pull that game out.

    I think based on the tie breaking procedures that the Rams would have a shot if Seattle lost to us, Dallas and Jacksonville. It would come down to winning % in common games and then conference record, and that's too much for me to figure out right now...especially since winning in Seattle is so unlikely.

    I would be thrilled if the Rams just make the playoffs.
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  • Ramfan128 wrote:
    The Rams have not been good at home this year..

    But, I've never seen a team have to travel to the far West coast in back to back weeks...the NFL tried to avoid an East coast team having to do this in the same year, period, before the Rams moved back to LA.

    So, here's the deal. On a neutral field, I think Eagles would be favored over the Rams. The Rams haven't been good at home - but despite that, I don't think you can say that the Eagles *should* beat the Rams in LA. The Rams have looked just as impressive as the Eagles in some ways. I think the Rams will be favored and will ultimately win the game because the Eagles will be traveling West (or staying out there) for a 2nd consecutive week....but it's certainly not a game the Eagles *should* win....it's a toss up.



    I hear you. I probably shouldn't be as comfortable with that game as I am. I think the reasoning I had was two part

    1) I just don't see them losing both games back to back and I think their chances of getting that win in LA as opposed to SEA is greater just because Century Link is so tough for opposing teams.

    2) The Eagles aren't going back to Philly after the Seattle game. They are going right down to LA and will stay/practice the whole week there. I think that helps a lot with this scheduling. They'll be in that pacific time zone mode by the time that game rolls around.

    The Rams are a very good team so it won't be easy and the Eagles could easily lose it but as I sit here today, I'm fairly confident they won't but again, if they do, I won't be even a tiny bit surprised.
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  • NINEster wrote:
    sdog1981 wrote:Which four teams beat the Seahawks? I don't think they will go 14-2 but who do you see them getting beat by?


    Going by a game by game basis I picture the December opponents of Eagles, Rams, Jags, Cowboys beating the Seahawks. Those are the teams that have the offense and/or defense to get it done. Eagles are a strong team, the Rams are the Rams, Jags @10 am with that defense at home, Cowboys at home with a team that fares well against the Hawks.

    And by that token one expects them to win all of their November games (Skins, 49ers, Cardinals, Falcons), and the season finale against the Cards. These are all teams that have flaws and have struggled, with the non division games at home and the division opponents playing less than stellar football, to put it nicely.

    But that's not how football has worked or ever will work. Even teams that finish 15-1 often lose to a team that is far from elite.

    So I figure an even split November/December. Something like Skins and Cardinals winning, with the Eagles and Rams losing.


    Barring a major injury, I don't see any way we go on a four game losing streak, especially in December. December has historically been the Seahawks best month under Pete Carroll. One of last year's two December losses can be attributed to the loss of Earl Thomas. The other was the fact that Russell Wilson inexplicably struggles against the Packers defense. Fortunately we already got that loss out of the way. I see us dropping one of those games, two at most. I think 13-3 is very realistic.
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  • NINEster wrote:Somehow the Hawks have been a 10 win team the last two seasons.

    We'll see.

    BTW, I have the team being above .500 to finish.


    You know, if you bothered to look things up instead of making passive-aggressive taunts, you'd realize that Seattle under Pete Carroll has a habit of starting slow and finishing fast. In 2012, the Hawks started 4-4 and finished 7-1 to go 11-5. In 2014, they started 3-3 and finished 9-1 to go 12-4, including 6 straight wins to close out the season. In 2015, Seattle was 4-5 and closed out 6-1 to go 10-6. Last year was a minor outlier, as we lost 3 games down the stretch without Earl Thomas. We finished 5-3 after being 5-2-1. But we almost always finish stronger.
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  • Yeah the level of disrespect is palpable. I predict the Niners go 0-16, how's that?
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  • Seahawks at 10-6 is wishful thinking. If Earl was out for any length of time, maybe. But Seahawks keep games close, and Wilson is hard to bet against in close games. Especially now that is blind side is protected.

    Eagles won't collapse or anything, the defense is great, but without Peters the offense will retreat a bit. You saw traces of it against the hapless Niners. Wentz was shaky in several spots because he wasn't kept nearly as clean. He's going to have a rough game against Denver.
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  • Maulbert wrote:I think the Eagles or Seahawks will be the #1. Whoever isn't #1 will be #2. I expect Seattle to take the game in Seattle, largely because of homefield.

    Minnesota will be #3. They are this years equivalent to the 2015 Panthers and 2016 Cowboys. Not untalented, but playing above their heads with a weak schedule.

    The Saints will take the south at #4. They're playing much better this year.

    I think the wildcards are LA and Carolina. I don't love the Panthers, but the talent is there. Their big problem is the inability of Cammy and Riviera to take a punch in the mouth to start a game. Get a good start on them and Cam goes into his shell.


    How are the Vikings "playing above their heads". Their D is almost on par with Seattles, and Rhodes dare i say is every bit as good as Sherman is. Their offense is 5th in total yards WITHOUT Bradford/Teddy for most of the year and WITHOUT cook for the last few games who was going to break out at RB this year as a rookie. 8th in passing and 8th in rushing for yardage. Also was missing Diggs for like 3 games. Outside of the Steeler game week 2 they have looked pretty good. The next 4 games(after this Redskin game next weekend) will tell everyone what they need to know about it though with Rams and then away at Lions, Falcons, and Panthers

    I do agree though...Some mix of Eagles/Vikings/Seahawks will more than likely be 1/2/3 seed.
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  • NINEster wrote:Currently:

    Eagles 7-1
    Vikings 6-2
    Saints 5-2
    Rams 5-2
    Seahawks 5-2

    Predicted:

    Eagles 12-4 - #1
    Vikings 9-7 - #4
    Saints 10-6 - #3
    Rams 11-5 - #2

    Wildcard:

    Seahawks 10-6 #6
    Cowboys 10-6 #5 (tiebreaker win over Seattle)

    AFC looks a little too wide open to predict right now outside of 2 or 3 teams (NE, KC, PITT)

    What do you guys think?

    I did this a couple days ago already and some don't dig my NFCS predictions.

    Just for you again.....

    1. Seahawks 13-3
    2. Eagles 12-4
    3. New Orleans 12-4
    4. Minnesota 11-5
    5. Los Angeles 12-4
    6. Atlanta 10-6

    10-6 for the Seahawks? Seriously you troll? So disappointing.
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  • WilsonMVP wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:I think the Eagles or Seahawks will be the #1. Whoever isn't #1 will be #2. I expect Seattle to take the game in Seattle, largely because of homefield.

    Minnesota will be #3. They are this years equivalent to the 2015 Panthers and 2016 Cowboys. Not untalented, but playing above their heads with a weak schedule.

    The Saints will take the south at #4. They're playing much better this year.

    I think the wildcards are LA and Carolina. I don't love the Panthers, but the talent is there. Their big problem is the inability of Cammy and Riviera to take a punch in the mouth to start a game. Get a good start on them and Cam goes into his shell.


    How are the Vikings "playing above their heads". Their D is almost on par with Seattles, and Rhodes dare i say is every bit as good as Sherman is. Their offense is 5th in total yards WITHOUT Bradford/Teddy for most of the year and WITHOUT cook for the last few games who was going to break out at RB this year as a rookie. 8th in passing and 8th in rushing for yardage. Also was missing Diggs for like 3 games. Outside of the Steeler game week 2 they have looked pretty good. The next 4 games(after this Redskin game next weekend) will tell everyone what they need to know about it though with Rams and then away at Lions, Falcons, and Panthers

    I do agree though...Some mix of Eagles/Vikings/Seahawks will more than likely be 1/2/3 seed.


    The Vikings are playing above their heads because Case Keenum is their QB and they have a weak schedule. Their D is good, but that offense will die when they face a real challenge.
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  • Maulbert wrote:
    WilsonMVP wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:I think the Eagles or Seahawks will be the #1. Whoever isn't #1 will be #2. I expect Seattle to take the game in Seattle, largely because of homefield.

    Minnesota will be #3. They are this years equivalent to the 2015 Panthers and 2016 Cowboys. Not untalented, but playing above their heads with a weak schedule.

    The Saints will take the south at #4. They're playing much better this year.

    I think the wildcards are LA and Carolina. I don't love the Panthers, but the talent is there. Their big problem is the inability of Cammy and Riviera to take a punch in the mouth to start a game. Get a good start on them and Cam goes into his shell.


    How are the Vikings "playing above their heads". Their D is almost on par with Seattles, and Rhodes dare i say is every bit as good as Sherman is. Their offense is 5th in total yards WITHOUT Bradford/Teddy for most of the year and WITHOUT cook for the last few games who was going to break out at RB this year as a rookie. 8th in passing and 8th in rushing for yardage. Also was missing Diggs for like 3 games. Outside of the Steeler game week 2 they have looked pretty good. The next 4 games(after this Redskin game next weekend) will tell everyone what they need to know about it though with Rams and then away at Lions, Falcons, and Panthers

    I do agree though...Some mix of Eagles/Vikings/Seahawks will more than likely be 1/2/3 seed.


    The Vikings are playing above their heads because Case Keenum is their QB and they have a weak schedule. Their D is good, but that offense will die when they face a real challenge.

    It's similar to why Philadelphia will lose but it will be close because Wentz is good...maybe.
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  • Josea16 wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:
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    Maulbert wrote:I think the Eagles or Seahawks will be the #1. Whoever isn't #1 will be #2. I expect Seattle to take the game in Seattle, largely because of homefield.

    Minnesota will be #3. They are this years equivalent to the 2015 Panthers and 2016 Cowboys. Not untalented, but playing above their heads with a weak schedule.

    The Saints will take the south at #4. They're playing much better this year.

    I think the wildcards are LA and Carolina. I don't love the Panthers, but the talent is there. Their big problem is the inability of Cammy and Riviera to take a punch in the mouth to start a game. Get a good start on them and Cam goes into his shell.


    How are the Vikings "playing above their heads". Their D is almost on par with Seattles, and Rhodes dare i say is every bit as good as Sherman is. Their offense is 5th in total yards WITHOUT Bradford/Teddy for most of the year and WITHOUT cook for the last few games who was going to break out at RB this year as a rookie. 8th in passing and 8th in rushing for yardage. Also was missing Diggs for like 3 games. Outside of the Steeler game week 2 they have looked pretty good. The next 4 games(after this Redskin game next weekend) will tell everyone what they need to know about it though with Rams and then away at Lions, Falcons, and Panthers

    I do agree though...Some mix of Eagles/Vikings/Seahawks will more than likely be 1/2/3 seed.


    The Vikings are playing above their heads because Case Keenum is their QB and they have a weak schedule. Their D is good, but that offense will die when they face a real challenge.

    It's similar to why Philadelphia will lose but it will be close because Wentz is good...maybe.


    I'm more inclined to believe Philly is real, I think they are more battle tested. That said, I think injuries are catching up to them.
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  • adeltaY wrote:Yeah the level of disrespect is palpable. I predict the Niners go 0-16, how's that?


    That's fine. Essentially the level of respect the Hawks have for the 49ers.

    ......

    I'm still not sold after the 2015 drop off at the very end, at least on Wilson's production.

    Crushed the Vikings one game and then in the rematch, essentially lost the game.

    That "20 TD/1 INT, Wilson on a tear" was nowhere to be found in January.

    Still a lot of football to be played.

    Hawks look like a 12-4, maybe even a 13-3 team right now but I'm reserving the right to think they're still only a 10-11 win team this year.

    Steelers fans are talking the talk like they're gonna be #1 seed but conveniently forgot their games against Bears and Jaguars. Beat KC and suddenly "they're the best team in the AFC".

    The Rams winning the division is maybe a stretch, but I'm pretty sure they'll be close.

    30 points a game?????

    Now their defense has started to show up.
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  • NINEster wrote:That "20 TD/1 INT, Wilson on a tear" was nowhere to be found in January.

    Look at the difference in play calling.
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  • Hmm, it's almost like playoff teams are significantly better than your average regular season team. Flacco or Matt Ryan level runs through the playoffs aren't that common. That Vikings game was played under extremely severe conditions, I don't take anything from that. Even then, Wilson made the play that got the Hawks the lead. Not his fault Blair Walsh missed that kick.

    I see your point about the Steelers, but I trust them over any team except the Pats in the AFC. It's their coaching, experience, QB (although he has been pretty suspect), and overall talent on both sides of the ball. Respect to them. Everyone wants to question the old guard and hop on the upstart train. Doesn't mean those teams are washed.
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  • xkj1985x wrote:
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    The Rams have not been good at home this year..

    But, I've never seen a team have to travel to the far West coast in back to back weeks...the NFL tried to avoid an East coast team having to do this in the same year, period, before the Rams moved back to LA.

    So, here's the deal. On a neutral field, I think Eagles would be favored over the Rams. The Rams haven't been good at home - but despite that, I don't think you can say that the Eagles *should* beat the Rams in LA. The Rams have looked just as impressive as the Eagles in some ways. I think the Rams will be favored and will ultimately win the game because the Eagles will be traveling West (or staying out there) for a 2nd consecutive week....but it's certainly not a game the Eagles *should* win....it's a toss up.



    I hear you. I probably shouldn't be as comfortable with that game as I am. I think the reasoning I had was two part

    1) I just don't see them losing both games back to back and I think their chances of getting that win in LA as opposed to SEA is greater just because Century Link is so tough for opposing teams.

    2) The Eagles aren't going back to Philly after the Seattle game. They are going right down to LA and will stay/practice the whole week there. I think that helps a lot with this scheduling. They'll be in that pacific time zone mode by the time that game rolls around.

    The Rams are a very good team so it won't be easy and the Eagles could easily lose it but as I sit here today, I'm fairly confident they won't but again, if they do, I won't be even a tiny bit surprised.




    Wow man. Your Eagles couldn't let us have the spotlight for one week? You had to go and drop 51 points (against a much better defense)?

    You remember 2001? This season has a very 2001 feel to it..

    Hopefully with a better ending for my Rams
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  • Ramfan128 wrote:

    Wow man. Your Eagles couldn't let us have the spotlight for one week? You had to go and drop 51 points (against a much better defense)?

    You remember 2001? This season has a very 2001 feel to it..

    Hopefully with a better ending for my Rams


    Sorry about that, man lol. I was blown away that they did that against the #1 rated defense in the league. Obviously the offense didn't help them out any but that's been the case all year for the most part for them and their defense was still dominating so it was impressive, to say the least. It's cool to see some change in the league this year, particularly when you're favorite team is part of it.

    I'd love to see Eagles-Rams flexed into SNF in Week 14 but it's highly likely being that the Eagles play on SNF the week before @SEA and the current slated matchup in Week 14 on SNF is BAL @ PIT, doubt they move that.
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  • Don't worry, our game might get flexed out and the Eagles @ Rams game flexed in!
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  • Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.
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  • El Caliente wrote:Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.


    If they get through that 2-1, they will be tied with a team that’s won the division 3 of 4 years, will have its star TE back, and has an all time winning record in the dome.
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    El Caliente wrote:Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.


    If they get through that 2-1, they will be tied with a team that’s won the division 3 of 4 years, will have its star TE back, and has an all time winning record in the dome.


    What team is that? Seattle?

    Is JG out? That guy is a none factor, so I am not sure what you are implying.
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  • El Caliente wrote:
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    El Caliente wrote:Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.


    If they get through that 2-1, they will be tied with a team that’s won the division 3 of 4 years, will have its star TE back, and has an all time winning record in the dome.


    What team is that? Seattle?

    Is JG out? That guy is a none factor, so I am not sure what you are implying.


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  • No offense, but the Panthers arent exactly scaring people right now, and with the loss of Benjamin, that just means that teams can focus more on CMC, Stewart, and the returning Olson. Also, Cam just isn't that scary anymore.
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  • El Caliente wrote:Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.



    What about the Saints season has made you think they're better than the Rams right now?
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  • Ramfan128 wrote:
    El Caliente wrote:Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.



    What about the Saints season has made you think they're better than the Rams right now?


    What about the Saints season has made you think they aren't better than the Rams right now?

    I'm just going off of record. Both defenses are near equal (according to the numbers), and both offenses are near equal.
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  • El Caliente wrote:
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    El Caliente wrote:Don't sleep on the Saints. They have finally found a defense worth a damn, and as long as Drew Brees has air in his lungs, that offense will be deadly.

    They are currently the 2nd best team in the NFL, and with them going into the toughest part of their schedule these next few weeks (@Bills, Redskins, @ Rams). If they can get through that going 2-1, then keep them in the #2 spot, because the rest of the season is just soft.



    What about the Saints season has made you think they're better than the Rams right now?


    What about the Saints season has made you think they aren't better than the Rams right now?

    I'm just going off of record. Both defenses are near equal (according to the numbers), and both offenses are near equal.



    By the numbers, you're right about the defenses - but I think most people would agree that the Rams defense is better (DVOA certainly does).

    Rams also have the best point differential in the NFL, and have just looked better than the Saints IMO.
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  • I was going to say that the Rams have played tougher competition than the Saints, but it looks like we have both been dominant vs some dog opponents.

    It will be interesting to settle things in a few weeks, and see who is better.
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  • The Rams, are gonna be tough to beat. Possibly the toughest game on our remaining schedule.
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  • Saints are better. Brees >>> Goff.
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  • LOL the Saints are looking so much better than the Panthers and already blew them out in the Panther's own house! It's not even close!
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  • BlackandGolden wrote:The Rams, are gonna be tough to beat. Possibly the toughest game on our remaining schedule.


    This seems the norm. The Saints fan comes here with humility and respect. The Panther and Ram (save for Alice) fans come with homer rose colored glasses.
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  • Panthers win moves us to the 6th seed. Fins let SCam run and pass all over them. They've been outscored 111-45 in their three primetime appearances this year and have another appearance on SNF schedule. They'd better flex that out really quickly.
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