Goodell wants 18 regular season games, eliminate 1 preseason game

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Like I said, Jefferson is 14% and everybody else is lower.

As a Bears fan who has been watching Jefferson his whole career, I don’t think he’s overpaid, but no non-QB is close to 20% or deserves to be.

Jefferson is at 3.33% of the cap in 2024 and 5.6% or 5.8% of the cap in 2025. After that are two seasons at 13-and-a-fraction percent of the projected caps, followed by a year (2028) when his cap number would be $47.5M, but the Vikings have outs before that. The Vikings can get out with relatively little pain before the 2027 season or especially the 2028 season. There's no more guaranteed salary after 2026.

So Jefferson only hits 14% of the cap if the cap grows as expected for the next few years and Jefferson is still on this same contract in its final non-void year in 2028.
 

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It only has that effect if you actually play those 12 guys who are not good enough to make the cut on a 53-man roster. With a 53-man roster you already have enough players to replace injured players with guys who are better football players than these 12.

I think we're actually in agreement here, even though we're focused on different aspects. It's completely true that teams might not take advantage of the extra roster space available. Expanded rosters would only give teams the opportunity to manage their resources better. I'm sure there are dumbass teams that will grind their best players to hamburger in an 18-game season while leaving unused the resources that could have protected those players.
 

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I agree with many of these thoughts. Gen Z is much less interested in sports, particularly American football. Participation rates are way down as is attendance.

It used to be quite common for high school games to attract 3k+. Now, it's just parents and girlfriends.

American football is going the way of boxing. Back in the 50's and 60's, every town of 5k+ had a boxing club. My oldest cousin belonged to the Dayton (WA) boxing club and held the record for the quickest knock out in the state's Golden Gloves tournament. Even with limited television, they had live professional boxing matches on in prime time 4 nights a week. Heavyweight championships used to be can't miss TV well into the 70's.

I don't think it's a matter of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Football still has a long run and will outlive all of us in this forum. But it's inevitable that it's going to eventually become marginalized.

Pure boxing may have died out, due to a mix of corruption, fragmentation, greed and cronyism (by fighters and promoters), boring fights, etc. The big title fights became more about securing the bag, and positioning for the next one, rather than about fighting. Promoters colluded with commissions to their own benefit, rather than the benefit of the sport.

But fighting never went away, and has never been more popular. It lives on in UFC, ONE, Bellator etc. Monthly UFC PPV events draw 300,000 to 2 million viewers, despite the vastly increased number of options for our attention.

My town of 28,000 has at least three BJJ/ MMA gyms, and has produced at least three professional MMA fighters in the last five years.

No matter what you think of him, is there a bigger individual draw, in any sport, right now, than McGregor? He was the highest paid athlete in his prime, and still the biggest fighting star of the decade.

His return fight against Chandler sold out immediately, and even the cheapest seats topped $1,000 before the fight was cancelled.

Boxing may have died out, but it’s not due to any lack of desire for watching fights. MMA fighters fight, and are incentivized to do so.

Pro boxing has devolved into some unholy mishmash of showmanship and greed, without the substance underneath to compel viewers to watch. It might be saved by a Dana White type figure, who unifies the splintered world under one dominant umbrella. But I doubt it. MMA is just so much more compelling to the average fan.
 

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Jefferson is at 3.33% of the cap in 2024 and 5.6% or 5.8% of the cap in 2025. After that are two seasons at 13-and-a-fraction percent of the projected caps, followed by a year (2028) when his cap number would be $47.5M, but the Vikings have outs before that. The Vikings can get out with relatively little pain before the 2027 season or especially the 2028 season. There's no more guaranteed salary after 2026.

So Jefferson only hits 14% of the cap if the cap grows as expected for the next few years and Jefferson is still on this same contract in its final non-void year in 2028.
He’s got $110 million guaranteed. I’m taking $35 million per year as 14% of market cap. It obviously goes down a bit as % when the cap increases. What I was telling him is that we’re a long way from any non-QB appraaching 20%.
 

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Jefferson is highest paid non-QB. He is 14%, and I don’t consider him overpaid. I will be surprised to see any non-QB approach 20%.
Seriously? You don't think it's trending that way?
Because that's what I'm trying to get at.
 

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He’s got $110 million guaranteed. I’m taking $35 million per year as 14% of market cap. It obviously goes down a bit as % when the cap increases. What I was telling him is that we’re a long way from any non-QB appraaching 20%.
"Him" meaning me, thinks it's going to happen faster than he (Bears fan) thinks.
We will soon see and I'll revisit the subject then.
 

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Those 12 guys on practice squad could be used to integrate for special teams and depth saving the starters, with new rules we have yet to see how the players are used. Think about having a 4.2 guy that is 5'9 and 150 returning kicks, opens up some possibilities.
 

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"Him" meaning me, thinks it's going to happen faster than he (Bears fan) thinks.
We will soon see and I'll revisit the subject then.
We won’t see “soon”. Any GM who gives 20% to a WR would be fired, unless the owner is an absolute idiot. The Panthers owner comes to mind.
 

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Pure boxing may have died out, due to a mix of corruption, fragmentation, greed and cronyism (by fighters and promoters), boring fights, etc. The big title fights became more about securing the bag, and positioning for the next one, rather than about fighting. Promoters colluded with commissions to their own benefit, rather than the benefit of the sport.

But fighting never went away, and has never been more popular. It lives on in UFC, ONE, Bellator etc. Monthly UFC PPV events draw 300,000 to 2 million viewers, despite the vastly increased number of options for our attention.

My town of 28,000 has at least three BJJ/ MMA gyms, and has produced at least three professional MMA fighters in the last five years.

No matter what you think of him, is there a bigger individual draw, in any sport, right now, than McGregor? He was the highest paid athlete in his prime, and still the biggest fighting star of the decade.

His return fight against Chandler sold out immediately, and even the cheapest seats topped $1,000 before the fight was cancelled.

Boxing may have died out, but it’s not due to any lack of desire for watching fights. MMA fighters fight, and are incentivized to do so.

Pro boxing has devolved into some unholy mishmash of showmanship and greed, without the substance underneath to compel viewers to watch. It might be saved by a Dana White type figure, who unifies the splintered world under one dominant umbrella. But I doubt it. MMA is just so much more compelling to the average fan.
Yeah, boxing/MMA is still fairly popular, ranking in the top 10 most popular sports. But it's nothing compared to what boxing was in the 50's and 60's. None of the OTA network stations, ie ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox carry live MMA/boxing events like they do tennis, golf, football, basketball, baseball, and ice hockey.

IMO the biggest single reason boxing became as marginalized as it has become is when they decided to go to what at the time (mid 70's) was called closed circuit television, or PPV. Up until then, heavyweight boxing championship bouts were televised live in Prime Time. It also died out from the roots as it started disappearing from the club/high school scene. As late as the mid 70's, Muhammad Ali was one of if not the most well-known figure in sports, and everyone, whether or not they were a sports fan, knew who he was. Ask the average sports fan who the reigning champ is in either boxing or MMA and most the time, you'll draw a blank stare.

A little off topic, but back in the 60's/early 70's the most popular spectator sport in the country wasn't football, basketball, or baseball, it was horse racing. Off track betting, lottery games, Indian casinos, and other forms of gambling helped spell its doom.
 

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We won’t see “soon”. Any GM who gives 20% to a WR would be fired, unless the owner is an absolute idiot. The Panthers owner comes to mind.
That's why it will happen, there are many stupid decisions made that drive spots up.
 

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That's why it will happen, there are many stupid decisions made that drive spots up.
To make it specific, let’s assume Marvin Harrison, jr. proves himself a Hall of Fame caliber receiver. Do you believe he will get 20% of the cap in his contract extension? Jefferson got 14%. It’s a LONG way from 14 to 20.
 

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To make it specific, let’s assume Marvin Harrison, jr. proves himself a Hall of Fame caliber receiver. Do you believe he will get 20% of the cap in his contract extension? Jefferson got 14%. It’s a LONG way from 14 to 20.
By the time Harrison is due and if he's really good,yes he could very well get that.
 
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