TwistedHusky":1tod1h0o said:
Your key word is WAS. Carroll WAS a good coach.
Buddy Ryan was a great DC. The 46 defense was impossible to stop, until it was easy. Then it didn't work at all.
Carroll had a system that worked. And he doesn't have anything else.
But he brings a lot of favoritism, nepotism, control-freakism to offset that. And frankly a complete inability to be an effective gameday coach in terms of tactics/strategy.
I am not joking or taking potshots, or even being hyperbolic when I say he has nothing of value to contribute anymore.
An idea can be a dangerous thing when it is the only one you have. And that is Carroll. He has one idea, and it worked for him, it does not work now and he will cling to it until he dies. (or drives the team into the ground trying).
Carroll used to do talent arbitrage*. And it worked. Find tremendously athletic players that do not fit NFL measurables, which makes them cheap. Then find ways of building a system around them that allows their strengths to flourish and weaknesses to be offset. It worked.
But then for some reason, instead of realizing it was the approach and players that made him successful, he began to think it was the system he built for those other players. And he rigidly enforced the system regardless of the players. So we get Homer running up the middle for 1-2 yds in a home playoff game against the Rams.
Carroll had a great idea. It might even still work if he bothered to do what he originally did. But instead he focuses on a type of football that does not work, except against weaker opponents.
Now he flat out flipped to TyBall. Which is like worshipping at the pantheon of terrible coaches. He WAS a good coach. He ISN'T anymore. And he was NEVER a good gameday coach.
* A lot of this was likely Scott or someone on Scott's team, because Scott put All Pros/Alternates on almost every team he ended up on.
I dont agree with the notion that he has nothing to give. Nor do I agree that his plan is to find physically superior athletes. To understand Pete you sometimes need to listen to the guy talk about life in general. His strategy is to develop men who ultimately play at the peak of their ability because of the connection that he helps foster on the team amonsgt his players via leadership that's based more on EI than physical measurables or exotic xs and os. And that's a difficult thing to do. But it's why we've had success and why, most recently, we've been challenged. Pete's way is to give his team a strategy that's uncomplicated at its core, and allow his players to 'own ' it and make ot unique to them. That's what he did with the legion of boom and that's what he's been thinking would have happened by now.
I honestly think one of the challenges with his way is the time it takes to 'convert' players to that mindset. So players like Jamal Adams, as talented as he might be and 'bought in', he also brings a certain freelancing way that is way outside the way he needs to function within the system and can unintentionally upset team balance. But he's a great player and by all accounts, working to assimilate. And it seems as though outside of his stone hands, he's getting better. And yeah, he was here last year but is now being asked to play more true safety. So he's a major contributor and out of position in a way. Then you have Belour, Barton, Reed (was playing the wrong side), Jones, Tre, Taylor... its basically a different enough defense that it's been almost built from scratch this year. And the magic that is needed for it to work, is the players playing together, knowing it like the back of their hands, and then letting it rip.
On offense... Pete and Russ are a great match philosophically, but Pete wants a Ryan Tannehill, and Russ wants to put up numbers and a resume that place him among the best ever. He doesn't want to be another Terry Bradshaw (multiple superbowls but never discussed in the context of the best all-time). And the way Russ needs to go about finding success and fulfilling his personal accomplishments aren't easy to build into a balanced offensive attack the way the team wants to be structured. And now Pete's given Russ the reigns and the result has been an offense and qb that want to hit big plays all day at the expense of playing solid, situational, complimentary football.
So the players on defense haven't yet come to own the system in the way that will allow them to flourish. And the offense has been left to do what Russ and Waldron want, but not necessarily what's sustainable for itself or functional in the context of the team.
I'm not defending Pete or trashing Russ. Just looking at the situation without picking sides or just looking at the situation and taking it at face value based on stats. It's far more complex than most have a tolerance to try to understand and has been for a while.
