Isn't being the best non-playoff team wonderful?

[Seahawks fan]

Did he? I don't know the details, but in interviews John made it sound like nothing changed in terms of his authority and responsibilities for player acquisition

Dude every seahawks fan needs to learn that Pete carroll came in with the exact same power as Mike Holmgren did and yes even Mike Holmgren had that power taken from him because it's to much for one person.

 

[Spohawks]

Wow, You're right...it's 100% JS fault this team has lost this season.

You know, I'm blaming JS for Geno throwing that game ending INT... thank you sir for opening my eyes... Yep, get rid of JS and we'll be 17-0 next year..

I think the NFL has passed him by. He has said he doesn't prioritize interior offensive lineman, and clearly that has backfired. He seems like a great guy, but every year he is on the team, that O-line is going to suck.

 

[SonicHawk]

Wow, You're right...it's 100% JS fault this team has lost this season.

You know, I'm blaming JS for Geno throwing that game ending INT... thank you sir for opening my eyes... Yep, get rid of JS and we'll be 17-0 next year..

You know JS is the reason for Geno too right?

 

[Aussie Seahawk]

No playoffs AND no high draft pick. Isn't it great! Thanks so much, John, for this juggernaut of mediocrity you have assembled. Can we make it 4 years in a row of 9-8 ball next year? Pretty please??

Hang on, two different possibilities (at least) here. Firstly, we're currently 8-7, so we might not even get to 9-8 this year.

Secondly, if I have my sums right (!?)...
If we and the Rams both win, or both lose next week, and if we then beat the Rams in the final game of the regular season, we would win the division because we would be one-up on them on common games record. I think that is the appropriate tie-breaker, because we and the Rams would both be equal on head-to-head and division record. Playoffs hopes NOT over yet! And if we can't beat the Bears (albeit at a likely frigid Soldier Field), we don't deserve to make the playoffs. Well, the Rams managed to lose to them, though...

 

[James in PA]

I think there is some wild tie-breaking scenario involving the Bills dropping their last two or something crazy like that in which we could still sneak in by splitting with the Rams. But realistically, if the Cardinals don't upset the Rams, it's game, set, match. It won't matter what else the Hawks do.

 

[hgwellz12]

Could a Bears style tank be in the works? Trade away your quality players and release players on fat contracts. I would keep a small amount of the good young players still on rookie contracts


Probably not the Hawks need to be sold in the near future and that would decrease their value

We just happen to be in a very precarious predicament, with various forces working against each other. The impending sale of the team, a GM who is (seemingly) long in the tooth, no viable long term "FACE" of the franchise, brand new head coach, etc. We might be kinda screwed/in limbo for a few.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hell of an effort yesterday. Unfortunately, they gave that one away. Just like they did with the Giants and the Clams games. SEVERAL mistakes that handed that game to the Vikes, imo.
Shoot, I had a few Vikings fans at the game telling me the Vikings got lucky. Def. a LOT less Vikings fans than there were GB fans. Nice to see the stadium have a better ratio.

 

[Grand Strand Hawk Fan]

Why JS?

JS really needs to change his personal politics and draft some O-lineman Day 1 & 2. The 49ers went to the Superbowl 3 times with so-so Quarterbacks because they won the game in the trenches. The Lions Offensive line have 4 x 1st round picks. Games are won and lost in the trenches. Sure, it makes for an un-sexy draft but great lineman are rare and you gotta snag em' early.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

JS didn't throw 2 more picks. JS didn't line up offsides on what was a stop. JS didn't grab the facemask on what would have been a massive stop. JS didn't let the Vikes just go down the field in their 1st and final drives. JS didn't choose to abandon the run, again.

 

[Rat]

Hang on, two different possibilities (at least) here. Firstly, we're currently 8-7, so we might not even get to 9-8 this year.

Secondly, if I have my sums right (!?)...
If we and the Rams both win, or both lose next week, and if we then beat the Rams in the final game of the regular season, we would win the division because we would be one-up on them on common games record. I think that is the appropriate tie-breaker, because we and the Rams would both be equal on head-to-head and division record. Playoffs hopes NOT over yet! And if we can't beat the Bears (albeit at a likely frigid Soldier Field), we don't deserve to make the playoffs. Well, the Rams managed to lose to them, though...

I don't think we have a path of the Rams beat the Cards.

Even if the Rams beat the Cards, if we beat the Bears and the Rams, it'd go to the second tiebreaker, which is divisional record. Both would be 4-2 in that scenario.

Next tiebreaker is record against common opponents. That gets confusing.

Teams Rams beat that we lost to: Bills, Vikings, Niners (they swept, we split).

Team we beat that Rams lost to: Dolphins, Bears (in this scenario), Cards (we swept, they split in this scenario).

Next tiebreaker would be conference record. Both would be 6-6.

Next is strength of victory. I assume their wins over the Bills and Vikings would do us in.

 

[Grand Strand Hawk Fan]

I think there is some wild tie-breaking scenario involving the Bills dropping their last two or something crazy like that in which we could still sneak in by splitting with the Rams. But realistically, if the Cardinals don't upset the Rams, it's game, set, match. It won't matter what else the Hawks do.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Cards tank it as revenge for the Hawks sweeping them.

 

[Rat]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Cards tank it as revenge for the Hawks sweeping them.

Why would they hate us more than the Rams?

It doesn't make sense regardless. I'm guessing the coaching staff is trying to sell them on a winning season, which is still possible. Not to mention, they have too many coaches and players with a tenuous grip on their spot with the team to tank a game out of spite. Gannon should be safe for next season, but I imagine his seat is starting to get warm and finishing the season strong would be beneficial.

Always the risk that some of the younger guys get an extended look now though, and I imagine any good player nursing the smallest of injuries is out.

 

[GeekHawk]

No playoffs AND no high draft pick. Isn't it great! Thanks so much, John, for this juggernaut of mediocrity you have assembled. Can we make it 4 years in a row of 9-8 ball next year? Pretty please??

Going back to the original post in this thread...

This is an absolutely shit take on this season. New coach and new staff under him. You were expecting playoffs? Before the season most of the talking heads predicted like 4-13. Would 4-13 have made you happy? Maybe we could have drafted high enough to get another Aaron Curry. Or go for another McGuire/Mirer type QB? Those guys were REALLY high 1st round draft choices.

The only think wrong with this season is that I think we may get forced into being on Hard Knocks next year and I don't like that sort of training camp distraction.

Just settle down everyone. We overachieved this year (and we can still easily win 9 games even if we lose the 18th playoff tiebreaker to the lambs). Next year looks to be way better already, even if we were to keep every player, just by being in the second year of the new coaching staff and schemes. We have a path now, which frankly is more than we had last year at this time.

Let's not forget Pete's first season we went 7-9. And won the Superb Owl 3 years later.

 

[cymatica]

Dude every seahawks fan needs to learn that Pete carroll came in with the exact same power as Mike Holmgren did and yes even Mike Holmgren had that power taken from him because it's to much for one person.

Homegrown was the GM/coach, Carroll never was. John himself said nothing changed. If you have any source to back up your claim please share it

 

[IndyHawk]

I'm ready to move on from JS
The failure at OL, LB and somewhat at getting a young backup
QB because Howell clearly is not it!
Hiring and keeping Grubb/Huff all season was stupid!
We all see it, you can't tell me they couldn't be fired during the
season. It's happened a lot in history really, It may very well have
gotten us a couple wins with just a basic offense (Smashmouth)
A lot of this comes from where JS sits.. It's time to go!

 

[Kamcussionator]

Going back to the original post in this thread...

This is an absolutely shit take on this season. New coach and new staff under him. You were expecting playoffs? Before the season most of the talking heads predicted like 4-13. Would 4-13 have made you happy? Maybe we could have drafted high enough to get another Aaron Curry. Or go for another McGuire/Mirer type QB? Those guys were REALLY high 1st round draft choices.

The only think wrong with this season is that I think we may get forced into being on Hard Knocks next year and I don't like that sort of training camp distraction.

Just settle down everyone. We overachieved this year (and we can still easily win 9 games even if we lose the 18th playoff tiebreaker to the lambs). Next year looks to be way better already, even if we were to keep every player, just by being in the second year of the new coaching staff and schemes. We have a path now, which frankly is more than we had last year at this time.

Let's not forget Pete's first season we went 7-9. And won the Superb Owl 3 years later.

Thank you for this. And yes! I agree, we have a lot to look forward to next year.

As a fan that waited patiently through 25+ years of mediocre Seahawks football, I really enjoyed being a perennial playoff team during the Carroll years and was worried that we might fall back into the pack of also-rans once again.

To be in the hunt for the playoffs again after a complete coaching change is a testament to the quality of this organization and I feel extremely lucky to not be one those teams that pick in the top 5 every year.

Go hawks!

 

[bigskydoc]

Homegrown was the GM/coach, Carroll never was. John himself said nothing changed. If you have any source to back up your claim please share it

Holmgren was Executive Vice President of Football Operations, GM, and Coach.
Carrol was Executive Vice President of Football Operations (above GM), and Coach.
Schneider was/ is GM, now with Coach Macdonald under him.

Carroll had final say when he was here, though it was a collaborative effort.

 

[James in PA]

First time head coaches do make the playoffs. It happens. But my original post has nothing to do with MM and everything to do with our overrated GM. The guy treads water. For every good move he makes, he just offsets it with a bad one. We are in purgatory with John. He needs to go.

 

[bigskydoc]

I’ll say this about John.

If John is responsible for the many missteps we’ve had in Free Agency, and the draft five plus years ago, then he needs to go.

If those decisions were more Carroll’s doing, and the recent draft successes were due to John taking the reins from Pete, then he should get a chance to be an unrestricted GM for a few years.

The only people who know which it is, are the people who elected to keep John, and let Pete walk. It’s entirely possible they are making a mistake.

 

[Jville]

The ever popular blame game and it's annual mob converge.

By all means, indulge. It cries for a thread of its own.