JS: "I never actively negotiated with anybody" re: RW trade

[John63]

So the line is fine Wilson is slow to get the ball out, in comes Waldron, Pete fixed everything.

Lets see.

I don't think it would be effective to run a lot and making lots of short passes. Our old model of running plus deep balls forces the defense to space out some? Right?

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I think you are going to see a lot of everything with the biggest thing being tempo and less predictable, and alot of quicker adjustments.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Fournette averaged about 70 yards a game in the post season and the defense gave up over 20 points a game (save the actual Super Bowl). I'm not really buying what your selling.

I realize Pete and John are trying to get a great defense together again (have been for years now), but they have failed and are so far away that the only choice going forward is to rely on the best player on the team and thats Wilson. Nightmarish moves like giving the world away for players like Adams isnt fixing anything, its actually hurting the process in which they are trying to accomplish. The defense and the running game is what Pete wants to fall back on and those are the teams 2 biggest weaknesses. Is it any wonder the Hawks dont go anywhere in the postseason?

"save the actual SB." Lol.

If you didn't watch the SB, and the Packers game and came away not impressed with how well the Bucs defense was flying around and hitting especially the D-line and LB's, and the offense was running the ball?

Then you didn't watch, or you're being argumentative.

Balance, that's what wins consistently..........and that's what Pete and John are trying to get back to, a very good to great defense. THAT'S what's holding the Hawks back, their mediocre defense, not the offense and Russell.

 

[John63]

Pete and John did a great job navigating this minefield, but most of what they said sounded like damaged control to protect Russell.

In particular, John was asked point-blank about Mark Rodgers's trade list; John said Pete was talking to Russ, and he was talking to Rodgers while indicating that those conversations would stay private. You can't claim it's a media creation while also acknowledging the incident that fueled the creation; otherwise, the front office, Mark Rodgers, or Wilson could have come out immediately and squashed the controversy on the grounds of misunderstanding, but they didn't. So now they are blaming the media for creating a story that came directly from Russell's camp. Not a great look for the front office or Wilson, but it will probably help them avoid further questioning from the local media.

Perhaps or it could be all of the above. For example Wilson did not cal lout any player but himself or any positions group, the media Assumed stuff. For the most part you are going to take away from this media session what you want, if you went in wanting Wilson to be the bad guy he with still be, if you went in thinking the FO was the bad guy they still are. The truth does not mater, all that matters is what you want to matter.

For me they pretty much validated what I already thought, there were some mistakes on both sides, but the media blew it way out of proportion.

 

[hoxrox]

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Great post.

Pete and JS are not dummies. Maybe they haven’t had a ton of success drafting lately, nor are they perfect, but they understand football. And a winning formula in order to have sustained success in this league (despite having subpar/above average rosters in recent years).

The Chip Kelleys and fantasy football players of the world, want to put all their SB hopes and dreams on an up-tempo, high-flying offense, and Russell cooking all the meals, but then you face a good defense, who can make you one-dimensional, and you get smacked in the mouth.

Ask the MVP Rodgers, ask Mahomes. Ask Peyton Manning’s #1 offense… and when Elway's Broncos finally won the SB? It was because of their defense. They took a page out of Pete's book.

To me, Russell has more to prove than Pete does. Pete delivered Seattle its one and only SB championship, in a dominating fashion, using their formula. Russ has yet to “carry the team” without the BOOM or the BEAST.

And the coaches don't expect him to. Fans who do expect Russ to "carry the team" and are adamant that is the only way, will continue to be disappointed.

Balance is sustainable and adaptable. Hero ball is not. The coaches understand this. How they implement and execute their vision is another matter.

 

[John63]

Fans pretending like everythings fine now and there are no issues,,,,Lol. After next season (maybe even before), when the Seahawks do their typical early playoff exit (if they even make the playoffs), the drama will start again. Also laughed at Pete talking about Russ and the quicker tempo, if thats so true then why does Pete take it away at some point every single season? Hysterical. Anyways, all this humdrum is typical Pete damage control, and its comical people are buying into it.

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Okay a lot of what you say is well not accurate. TB ended up having 27th ranked defense for the season. IF they were top for the 2nd half they would not have been 27th at the end that is mathematical impossible. same holds true for running they were ranked 28th ranked for the season it is impossible for them to be #1 in the final 8 games and them still be 28th overall. You example of TB is wrong as their offense was top 3 in scoring so yeah they were a HUGE reason they won. They were bottom 5 in run, but top 5 in passing which pretty much destroys your narrative.

How you win a Sb in not a one size fits all. There have been many different formulas for doing it and to think there is only one way is naive. As to what John and Pete are trying to get back to you have no clue, neither do any of us for sure.

Al that said nothing you said is accuarate and the FACTS show it.

TB had the 8th ranked defense in 2020, idk what you're looking at.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 20/opp.htm

Actually I Stand corrected don that the ESPN site brought the info back in inverse order So 8th is correct but still not top 5 and again the offense was top 7 with the pass game 3rd and the run game 28th, and they were the 3rd ranked scoring offense so that still makes your statement wrong. So it was not the Run game and defense that led the way at all. It was the pass game and defense that led the way with the Offense being the better of the 2.
Also if we break down the defense we find out they were 21st against the pass, and 1st against the run. So while they defense was good, it was not a complete defense just as the offense was not a complete offense. You had a top 5 run defense and top 5 pass offense. However, the run game and pass defense was sub par. What they did do though was have great defensive game plans in the playoffs. Knowing if you hit Mahomes a few times he starts loosing composure.

 

[John63]

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Great post.

Pete and JS are not dummies. Maybe they haven’t had a ton of success drafting lately, nor are they perfect, but they understand football. And a winning formula in order to have sustained success in this league (despite having subpar/above average rosters in recent years).

The Chip Kelleys and fantasy football players of the world, want to put all their SB hopes and dreams on an up-tempo, high-flying offense, and Russell cooking all the meals, but then you face a good defense, who can make you one-dimensional, and you get smacked in the mouth.

Ask the MVP Rodgers, ask Mahomes. Ask Peyton Manning’s #1 offense… and when Elway's Broncos finally won the SB? It was because of their defense. They took a page out of Pete's book.

To me, Russell has more to prove than Pete does. Pete delivered Seattle its one and only SB championship, in a dominating fashion, using their formula. Russ has yet to “carry the team” without the BOOM or the BEAST.

And the coaches don't expect him to. Fans who do expect Russ to "carry the team" and are adamant that is the only way, will continue to be disappointed.

Balance is sustainable and adaptable. Hero ball is not. The coaches understand this. How they implement and execute their vision is another matter.

The problem is PC did not deliver anything by himself. He had a season with a top ranked run game and defense and went 7-9. When he got Wilson well history is what it is. To me PC has more to prove as historically in his NFL career he has never really had great season without a TOP QB. His record without a top QB is sub 500, his record with a top QB is over 600. His record in Seattle without Wilson and with a great defense and run game sub 500. With top run game, and defense over 600, without top run game and defense but with top QB over 500. Its nice you mentioned those Qbs do you really think those tams win their SB without those Qb and instead an avg one? NO. The reality is this A great defense and run game is great but will not get you to the Sb or even in the playoff consistently. A great QB can get you to the playoffs consistently but more often than not will not win an SB alone. You need a combination. But in the end it still all starts with the QB, as a great QB always gives you a chance a great run game and or defense does not. So yes his post is great if you are naive and don't understand the game. I know Wilson alone cannot win an SB, but I also know he can keep us relevant and more often than not get us in the playoffs. I also know a great defense alone will not even get us to the playoffs, nor will a great run game alone. You need a combination and 1 part of that which is constant is the QB. PC knows that because if they did not they would not have resigned Wilson multiple times. IF they thought they could just build a great defense and run game and win they would have., They know they need that great QB. Why because they had the great defense and run game and went 7-9. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

 

[knownone]

Pete and John did a great job navigating this minefield, but most of what they said sounded like damaged control to protect Russell.

In particular, John was asked point-blank about Mark Rodgers's trade list; John said Pete was talking to Russ, and he was talking to Rodgers while indicating that those conversations would stay private. You can't claim it's a media creation while also acknowledging the incident that fueled the creation; otherwise, the front office, Mark Rodgers, or Wilson could have come out immediately and squashed the controversy on the grounds of misunderstanding, but they didn't. So now they are blaming the media for creating a story that came directly from Russell's camp. Not a great look for the front office or Wilson, but it will probably help them avoid further questioning from the local media.

Not disagreeing but is that a bad thing, especially if the relationship needed mending? To claim stuff that can make them look bad or not telling the whole truth in order to not criticise Russ in public?

Wouldn't be the first time Pete did this in public. One example I can think of is shrugging off the "come get me" game in Dallas as just Earl being Earl. I guess that one didn't end well though.

I agree with you. It's not a bad thing. It is the only thing they could do without exacerbating the situation. However, it felt like it was worth noting because, as you pointed out, this is very similar to how Pete handled situations with Earl (and others) in the past. And those situations typically ended with separations in the following off-season.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Great post.

Pete and JS are not dummies. Maybe they haven’t had a ton of success drafting lately, nor are they perfect, but they understand football. And a winning formula in order to have sustained success in this league (despite having subpar/above average rosters in recent years).

The Chip Kelleys and fantasy football players of the world, want to put all their SB hopes and dreams on an up-tempo, high-flying offense, and Russell cooking all the meals, but then you face a good defense, who can make you one-dimensional, and you get smacked in the mouth.

Ask the MVP Rodgers, ask Mahomes. Ask Peyton Manning’s #1 offense… and when Elway's Broncos finally won the SB? It was because of their defense. They took a page out of Pete's book.

To me, Russell has more to prove than Pete does. Pete delivered Seattle its one and only SB championship, in a dominating fashion, using their formula. Russ has yet to “carry the team” without the BOOM or the BEAST.

And the coaches don't expect him to. Fans who do expect Russ to "carry the team" and are adamant that is the only way, will continue to be disappointed.

Balance is sustainable and adaptable. Hero ball is not. The coaches understand this. How they implement and execute their vision is another matter.

The problem is PC did not deliver anything by himself. He had a season with a top ranked run game and defense and went 7-9. When he got Wilson well history is what it is. To me PC has more to prove as historically in his NFL career he has never really had great season without a TOP QB. His record without a top QB is sub 500, his record with a top QB is over 600. His record in Seattle without Wilson and with a great defense and run game sub 500. With top run game, and defense over 600, without top run game and defense but with top QB over 500. Its nice you mentioned those Qbs do you really think those tams win their SB without those Qb and instead an avg one? NO. The reality is this A great defense and run game is great but will not get you to the Sb or even in the playoff consistently. A great QB can get you to the playoffs consistently but more often than not will not win an SB alone. You need a combination. But in the end it still all starts with the QB, as a great QB always gives you a chance a great run game and or defense does not. So yes his post is great if you are naive and don't understand the game. I know Wilson alone cannot win an SB, but I also know he can keep us relevant and more often than not get us in the playoffs. I also know a great defense alone will not even get us to the playoffs, nor will a great run game alone. You need a combination and 1 part of that which is constant is the QB. PC knows that because if they did not they would not have resigned Wilson multiple times. IF they thought they could just build a great defense and run game and win they would have., They know they need that great QB. Why because they had the great defense and run game and went 7-9. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

We won a SB and was within a yard of winning another because of a great run game and defense.

I've already illustrated that's why the Bucs won last year. Yep, Brady played great in the playoffs, but he was sporatic throughout the regular season, even was called washed up after the first 6-7 games by most football pundits.

No one's saying Russell's not important to this team. He's obviously very important, as is every other QB in the league to their franchise.

But to say defense doesn't win, or a great run game is short sighted and flat out wrong. You keep trying to swim away from balance and put it on Russell........and that's just not how the game works. You need to be great in all facets to win consistently, and what's failed this team over the past 7-8 years is not the lack of more Russell, it's the defense coming back down to earth and being bad to mediocre.

 

[John63]

Pete and John did a great job navigating this minefield, but most of what they said sounded like damaged control to protect Russell.

In particular, John was asked point-blank about Mark Rodgers's trade list; John said Pete was talking to Russ, and he was talking to Rodgers while indicating that those conversations would stay private. You can't claim it's a media creation while also acknowledging the incident that fueled the creation; otherwise, the front office, Mark Rodgers, or Wilson could have come out immediately and squashed the controversy on the grounds of misunderstanding, but they didn't. So now they are blaming the media for creating a story that came directly from Russell's camp. Not a great look for the front office or Wilson, but it will probably help them avoid further questioning from the local media.

Not disagreeing but is that a bad thing, especially if the relationship needed mending? To claim stuff that can make them look bad or not telling the whole truth in order to not criticise Russ in public?

Wouldn't be the first time Pete did this in public. One example I can think of is shrugging off the "come get me" game in Dallas as just Earl being Earl. I guess that one didn't end well though.

I agree with you. It's not a bad thing. It is the only thing they could do without exacerbating the situation. However, it felt like it was worth noting because, as you pointed out, this is very similar to how Pete handled situations with Earl (and others) in the past. And those situations typically ended with separations in the following off-season.

And this might too, but I somehow suspect tit will not. .For one all those other situation had several incidents while this is pretty much isolated.

 

[John63]

Why did the Bucs win the SB?

It wasn't because Brady and the offense was lights out, it was because over the last half of the season they had a top 5 defense and #1 run game, and that's what shined in the SB. Their defense punched Mahomes and the Chiefs high flying offense right in the mouth.

THAT'S what John and Pete are trying to get back to, much to Mr. Unlimited's chagrin who thinks he's the greatest QB in the history of the world and wants the entire offense in his control.

Sorry Russ, and sorry fans who think that. Doesn't mean we can't be more dynamic and unpredictable on offense. Thus the Waldron hiring.

But anyone thinks that unleashing Russell is the answer to all our SB dreams, including Wilson is delusional. Balance, great defense, punishing run game, AND a QB that can play at a high level over the course of a season and the playoffs.

That's how you win a SB.

Great post.

Pete and JS are not dummies. Maybe they haven’t had a ton of success drafting lately, nor are they perfect, but they understand football. And a winning formula in order to have sustained success in this league (despite having subpar/above average rosters in recent years).

The Chip Kelleys and fantasy football players of the world, want to put all their SB hopes and dreams on an up-tempo, high-flying offense, and Russell cooking all the meals, but then you face a good defense, who can make you one-dimensional, and you get smacked in the mouth.

Ask the MVP Rodgers, ask Mahomes. Ask Peyton Manning’s #1 offense… and when Elway's Broncos finally won the SB? It was because of their defense. They took a page out of Pete's book.

To me, Russell has more to prove than Pete does. Pete delivered Seattle its one and only SB championship, in a dominating fashion, using their formula. Russ has yet to “carry the team” without the BOOM or the BEAST.

And the coaches don't expect him to. Fans who do expect Russ to "carry the team" and are adamant that is the only way, will continue to be disappointed.

Balance is sustainable and adaptable. Hero ball is not. The coaches understand this. How they implement and execute their vision is another matter.

The problem is PC did not deliver anything by himself. He had a season with a top ranked run game and defense and went 7-9. When he got Wilson well history is what it is. To me PC has more to prove as historically in his NFL career he has never really had great season without a TOP QB. His record without a top QB is sub 500, his record with a top QB is over 600. His record in Seattle without Wilson and with a great defense and run game sub 500. With top run game, and defense over 600, without top run game and defense but with top QB over 500. Its nice you mentioned those Qbs do you really think those tams win their SB without those Qb and instead an avg one? NO. The reality is this A great defense and run game is great but will not get you to the Sb or even in the playoff consistently. A great QB can get you to the playoffs consistently but more often than not will not win an SB alone. You need a combination. But in the end it still all starts with the QB, as a great QB always gives you a chance a great run game and or defense does not. So yes his post is great if you are naive and don't understand the game. I know Wilson alone cannot win an SB, but I also know he can keep us relevant and more often than not get us in the playoffs. I also know a great defense alone will not even get us to the playoffs, nor will a great run game alone. You need a combination and 1 part of that which is constant is the QB. PC knows that because if they did not they would not have resigned Wilson multiple times. IF they thought they could just build a great defense and run game and win they would have., They know they need that great QB. Why because they had the great defense and run game and went 7-9. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

We won a SB and was within a yard of winning another because of a great run game and defense.

I've already illustrated that's why the Bucs won last year. Yep, Brady played great in the playoffs, but he was sporatic throughout the regular season, even was called washed up after the first 6-7 games by most football pundits.

No one's saying Russell's not important to this team. He's obviously very important, as is every other QB in the league to their franchise.

But to say defense doesn't win, or a great run game is short sighted and flat out wrong. You keep trying to swim away from balance and put it on Russell........and that's just not how the game works. You need to be great in all facets to win consistently, and what's failed this team over the past 7-8 years is not the lack of more Russell, it's the defense coming back down to earth and being bad to mediocre.

IF you really believe that Wilson and the pass game had no impact on us winning the SB, or we get to and win without it and him than you are truly hopeless, and I am sorry for you and done with you.

 

[Rat]

Oh good, Aaron Rodgers wants out of Green Bay, so people might stop caring about Russ.

 

[Fade]

Lame opening joke trying to mask they have no picks and sold their future for Adams.

Or, maybe they're just not unhappy people who hate their lives and might like to have fun every now and again.

So if you don't like a lame joke, and love an hour of damage control, you're unhappy?

The fanbase needed answers, not lame jokes, damage control, and flat out lies after going dark for so long.

It's the opposite actually, people who love to suck up to management are the unhappy ones who are looking to fill a void in their lives.

 

[John63]

Lame opening joke trying to mask they have no picks and sold their future for Adams.

Or, maybe they're just not unhappy people who hate their lives and might like to have fun every now and again.

So if you don't like a lame joke, and love an hour of damage control, you're unhappy?

The fanbase needed answers, not lame jokes, damage control, and flat out lies after going dark for so long.

It's the opposite actually, people who love to suck up to management are the unhappy ones who are looking to fill a void in their lives.

The reality is some were not going to be happy with anything less than Wilson sucks or PC sucks. When teh reality is in the middle and for now its all good.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Oh good, Aaron Rodgers wants out of Green Bay, so people might stop caring about Russ.

Both Rodgers and Wilson are jealous of what Brady just did, demand out and go to a ready made SB contender.

Problem is both QB's have 2-3 years left on their deal at a great price, so neither is going anywhere.


Some would say Aaron Rodgers future with the Packers is.................................in Jeopardy..............

 

[John63]

Oh good, Aaron Rodgers wants out of Green Bay, so people might stop caring about Russ.

Both Rodgers and Wilson are jealous of what Brady just did, demand out and go to a ready made SB contender.

Problem is both QB's have 2-3 years left on their deal at a great price, so neither is going anywhere.


Some would say Aaron Rodgers future with the Packers is.................................in Jeopardy..............

Ah forgot you know what everyone is thinking... oh wait no you dont. How about this stop making crap up.

 

[Rat]

Oh good, Aaron Rodgers wants out of Green Bay, so people might stop caring about Russ.

Both Rodgers and Wilson are jealous of what Brady just did, demand out and go to a ready made SB contender.

Problem is both QB's have 2-3 years left on their deal at a great price, so neither is going anywhere.


Some would say Aaron Rodgers future with the Packers is.................................in Jeopardy..............

Dammit, I was the first to comment on him, and wasnt clever enough to say that.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

Oh good, Aaron Rodgers wants out of Green Bay, so people might stop caring about Russ.

Both Rodgers and Wilson are jealous of what Brady just did, demand out and go to a ready made SB contender.

Problem is both QB's have 2-3 years left on their deal at a great price, so neither is going anywhere.


Some would say Aaron Rodgers future with the Packers is.................................in Jeopardy..............

My exact feelings when it came to Russ's comments

 

[pittpnthrs]

Balance, that's what wins consistently..........and that's what Pete and John are trying to get back to, a very good to great defense. THAT'S what's holding the Hawks back, their mediocre defense, not the offense and Russell.

With Pete Carroll supposedly being some defensive genius, how do you feel thats going so far?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Balance, that's what wins consistently..........and that's what Pete and John are trying to get back to, a very good to great defense. THAT'S what's holding the Hawks back, their mediocre defense, not the offense and Russell.

With Pete Carroll supposedly being some defensive genius, how do you feel thats going so far?

Not well, but now that both Pete and John got extensions......do you have more faith that they can build another great defense, or they're going to do a complete 180 and change their entire roster building and team philosophies and all of a sudden hand Russell the keys?

Not going to happen. So why continue to beat the drum of something that's not going to happen as long as Pete and John are here. You, Russell and everyone can complain all you want but that's the only way this version of the Hawks is getting back to a SB, building another great defense.

 

[pittpnthrs]

To me, Russell has more to prove than Pete does. Pete delivered Seattle its one and only SB championship, in a dominating fashion, using their formula. Russ has yet to “carry the team” without the BOOM or the BEAST.

And the coaches don't expect him to. Fans who do expect Russ to "carry the team" and are adamant that is the only way, will continue to be disappointed.

Russ has yet to carry the team without the Boom or the Beast? Thats all he's been doing since then, and he has incompetent games plans and poor coaching to overcome while doing so.