Seahawks 1st Rd Picks since 2016

[Welshers]

First rounders since 2016:
16: Germain Ifedi (horrible OL)
17: moved to 2nd for Malik McDowell
18: Rashad Penny (fragile backup RB)
19: LJ Collier (healthy scratch)
20: Jordyn Brooks
21 + 22: Jamal Adams

Copied from Jeff Simmons on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/realjeffsimmons/sta ... 65792?s=20

Nothing else really needs to be said.

 

[Hollandhawk]

First rounders since 2016:
16: Germain Ifedi (horrible OL)
17: moved to 2nd for Malik McDowell
18: Rashad Penny (fragile backup RB)
19: LJ Collier (healthy scratch)
20: Jordyn Brooks
21 + 22: Jamal Adams

Copied from Jeff Simmons on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/realjeffsimmons/sta ... 65792?s=20

Nothing else really needs to be said.

So 3 guys who are starters in the NFL right now and one rotating DL (McDowell). Although Ifedi just got hurt.

 

[nfcwestbest]

Hi folks,

Rams fan here, great board, you guys know football and know your team and as much as it sucks not being as good as you were a few years ago, things turn quickly in the NFL, look at the Cards and fortunately for the Hawks you didn't have to go through what the Rams and Cards did, wholesale rebuilding, high first round picks for a bunch of years

I think Pete and JS haven't drafted good for a long time DK not withstanding. Remember Pete was the best college coach on the best college team in the country, he was recruiting high school juniors from 2001 to 2009, he was game planning against the best college players, when he came to Seattle he had a huge library of player knowledge that coordinators and other head coaches in the NFL didn't have.

His first few drafts were great because he knew the players cold, he knew RW, he knew Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas and he knew who not to draft. Well he no longer had that advantage after 2014/15 and the results are not as good. But you got one ring could have had three'

thanks

 

[Rat]

McDowell has been excellent for the Browns this season. Should have held onto his rights.

 

[Spin Doctor]

First rounders since 2016:
16: Germain Ifedi (horrible OL)
17: moved to 2nd for Malik McDowell
18: Rashad Penny (fragile backup RB)
19: LJ Collier (healthy scratch)
20: Jordyn Brooks
21 + 22: Jamal Adams

Copied from Jeff Simmons on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/realjeffsimmons/sta ... 65792?s=20

Nothing else really needs to be said.

So 3 guys who are starters in the NFL right now and one rotating DL (McDowell). Although Ifedi just got hurt.

Ihttps://www.pff.com/nfl/players/germain-ifedi/10665 - Ifedi is not playing that great. Our own Brandon Shell is actually playing better.

According to PFF McDowell isn't doing that great either: https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/malik-mcdowell/11790

He had a very strong week one but since then has been a lot more quiet.

Jordyn Brooks has not been good this season. He's been burnt badly in coverage and against the run there have been a few games where he has struggled.

None of these first round picks are difference makers at their respective positions. Now, who could have they drafted?

Well, in 2016 we could have drafted:

Kenny Clark
Chris Jones
Xavian Howard
Derrick Henry

in the 2017 draft we could have drafted:

Tre'Davious White
T.J Watt
Ryan Ramczyk
Budda Baker


in the 2018 draft we could have drafted:

Jaire Alexander
Leighton Vander Esch
Frank Ragnow
Nick Chubb
Darius Leonard

in the 2019 draft we could have drafted:

Darnell Savage
Josh Jacobs
Montez Sweat


There is talent in the area where we are picking in the NFL draft, we just aren't capitalizing. In all of these examples these are guys that are available within 10 picks of our our original draft position. If we even hit on one of these players the current state of the Seahawks looks much different. Imagine TJ Watt terrorizing the Steelers? Imagine having an all-pro RT, imagine not having to go and trade for Jamal Adams because you have Budda Baker in the backfield?

We're constantly missing in the first round. Even picking near the bottom of the first round there is still probowl, even all-pro talent we have missed on.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Or just not trade down, Jaire was drafted literally at the draft slot we traded.

We keep using being at the bottom of the pack as an excuse for why we struggle in the 1st round. But we forget that we always trade to the back of the line, and then rarely do much with the trades.

And yes, not getting Budda Baker was moronic. STUPID. We knew what he was and we knew we had issues with Earl. I have no idea what we were thinking. In hindsight, we take Watt or Ram, but Baker was right there and everyone knew we needed him.

Not only did we not take him but we had to trade later to get a safety because we didn't take him. STUPID.

 

[hawkfan68]

Hi folks,

Rams fan here, great board, you guys know football and know your team and as much as it sucks not being as good as you were a few years ago, things turn quickly in the NFL, look at the Cards and fortunately for the Hawks you didn't have to go through what the Rams and Cards did, wholesale rebuilding, high first round picks for a bunch of years

I think Pete and JS haven't drafted good for a long time DK not withstanding. Remember Pete was the best college coach on the best college team in the country, he was recruiting high school juniors from 2001 to 2009, he was game planning against the best college players, when he came to Seattle he had a huge library of player knowledge that coordinators and other head coaches in the NFL didn't have.

His first few drafts were great because he knew the players cold, he knew RW, he knew Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas and he knew who not to draft. Well he no longer had that advantage after 2014/15 and the results are not as good. But you got one ring could have had three'

thanks

So could have the Rams, if it weren't for Tom Brady and those darn NE Patriots!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Might be time to get over it and stop dwelling on the past. Can't do a thing about it.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Might be time to get over it and stop dwelling on the past. Can't do a thing about it.

One has to examine the past to find out how we got to the position we're in now. Of course, there is nothing we can do about it as we are nothing but passive spectators. Examining the past holds tremendous value, I hope the FO and Carroll do the same.

 

[LTH]

Hi folks,

Rams fan here, great board, you guys know football and know your team and as much as it sucks not being as good as you were a few years ago, things turn quickly in the NFL, look at the Cards and fortunately for the Hawks you didn't have to go through what the Rams and Cards did, wholesale rebuilding, high first round picks for a bunch of years

I think Pete and JS haven't drafted good for a long time DK not withstanding. Remember Pete was the best college coach on the best college team in the country, he was recruiting high school juniors from 2001 to 2009, he was game planning against the best college players, when he came to Seattle he had a huge library of player knowledge that coordinators and other head coaches in the NFL didn't have.

His first few drafts were great because he knew the players cold, he knew RW, he knew Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas and he knew who not to draft. Well he no longer had that advantage after 2014/15 and the results are not as good. But you got one ring could have had three'

thanks[/quote

Interesting to hear an out side perspective...


LTH

 

[Fade]

Might as well post the whole picture.

2010 Okung (Good pick, Alex Gibbs retired over it, though.) Earl Thomas (Amazing pick. Good job, Pete!)
2011 Carpenter (Laughable pick. Saban was stunned when he heard the news.)
2012 Irvin (Solid, could've done way better. But, Pete tried to recruit him to USC so he had to have him.)
2013 Traded for Harvin. Pete coveted him for years.
2014 Traded down for Richardson.
2015 Traded Unger & 1st for Jimmy Graham, proceeded to miscast him in the offense.


This will not change until Pete Carroll is gone. It is what it is.

Earl Thomas & Okung is all they have to show for the 1st round in over a decade of drafting, and that was Pete's first draft.

 

[Fade]

Hi folks,

Rams fan here, great board, you guys know football and know your team and as much as it sucks not being as good as you were a few years ago, things turn quickly in the NFL, look at the Cards and fortunately for the Hawks you didn't have to go through what the Rams and Cards did, wholesale rebuilding, high first round picks for a bunch of years

I think Pete and JS haven't drafted good for a long time DK not withstanding. Remember Pete was the best college coach on the best college team in the country, he was recruiting high school juniors from 2001 to 2009, he was game planning against the best college players, when he came to Seattle he had a huge library of player knowledge that coordinators and other head coaches in the NFL didn't have.

His first few drafts were great because he knew the players cold, he knew RW, he knew Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas and he knew who not to draft. Well he no longer had that advantage after 2014/15 and the results are not as good. But you got one ring could have had three'

thanks

He didn't know Russell Wilson. John Schneider had to sell him on him.

But generally, yes, the rest is true.

 

[LTH]

Might as well post the whole picture.

2010 Okung (Good pick, Alex Gibbs retired over it, though.) Earl Thomas (Amazing pick. Good job, Pete!)
2011 Carpenter (Laughable pick. Saban was stunned when he heard the news.)
2012 Irvin (Solid, could've done way better. But, Pete tried to recruit him to USC so he had to have him.)
2013 Traded for Harvin. Pete coveted him for years.
2014 Traded down for Richardson.
2015 Traded Unger & 1st for Jimmy Graham, proceeded to miscast him in the offense.


This will not change until Pete Carroll is gone. It is what it is.

Earl Thomas & Okung is all they have to show for the 1st round in over a decade of drafting, and that was Pete's first draft.

I think its fair to say they have not done as well in the first round but there are still some players that might pan out that your not giving credit to...


But look what they have done in the second round... there is a case to be made that there is not much difference between the bottom of the first round and the second round...


most of the time they trade out of the first round look what they have done there

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/sea ... -schneider

 

[RVA_311]

And yes, not getting Budda Baker was moronic. STUPID. We knew what he was and we knew we had issues with Earl. I have no idea what we were thinking. In hindsight, we take Watt or Ram, but Baker was right there and everyone knew we needed him.

Not only did we not take him but we had to trade later to get a safety because we didn't take him. STUPID.

Budda is a great player and I certainly wish he was on the Hawks' side. That said...a couple things:

The Hawks still had Earl, Kam (his injury happened later in what was Baker's rookie year) and McDougald before the draft ever happened in 2017, and had just signed Kam to a big $$ 3 year extension. Say what you will about the beginning of the end ET of course, but this was the year before his holdout/$hit really hitting the fan. They had more than enough Safety depth at the time to justify not spending a high pick on one. Also saying we later had to trade for a safety (3 years later...) 'because' we didn't take Baker just doesn't really make sense. I think a lot of it (as always with a UW/WS player) is people wanting the highly touted local product to become a Hawk...because he's a highly touted local product.

(None of this is to try and take away from the criticisms of PC/JS when it comes to drafting recently, because unquestionably they've had major issues.)

 

[Fade]

I think its fair to say they have not done as well in the first round but there are still some players that might pan out that your not giving credit to...

LIke?

most of the time they trade out of the first round look what they have done there

What?


They don't trade out of the 1st round that much. I understand that it might seem like it because Pete does a lot of frittering away, but that doesn't make it true.

2010 They didn't
2011 They didn't
2012 They didn't
2013 They didn't
2014 They did (Paul Richardson)
2015 They didn't
2016 They didn't
2017 They did (Malik McDowell)
2018 They didn't
2019 They didn't
2020 They didn't
2021 They didn't
2022 They didn't

2 out of 13 doesn't qualify as trading out of the 1st round most of the time, sorry.