Want To Attend Seahawks Games in 2021? Get Vaccinated

[chris98251]

I’ve got to worry about my kids because of people like you. You’re selfish and your proud of it. We get it.

You still don't understand how vaccines work I take it..................

Sure I do. People in this thread are sure to remind everyone at least one time a page. Why ask though? Was it the part where the vaccinated should have nothing to worry about?

If your that paranoid about your kids, stay home. See, no worries.

Or if you refuse to get a vaccine stay home and be responsible or wear a Mask and follow CDC policy for unvaxed instead of potentially murdering children.

 

[pmedic920]

How death causes are recorded
Part I and II of a death certificate ask what caused a death and what other factors contributed to it. If COVID-19 appears among the causes and contributors, CDC guidance counts that as a COVID-19-related death.

Due to covid being a hindrance of health, they automatically make it a "Contributor". Show me one example of a person dieing WITH covid that they didn't count as a " Covid Related death".

This is why people were flying through their windshields and were getting counted as a "Covid death".

Just be real, you bought into the fear tactic and ran out to get stabbed twice with fluids being injected into you.

You got played SON! LOL!! You stright up got played!

Well I’m not sure where you’re coming from but I have very similar opinions when it comes to the “totals”.

I have first hand knowledge of multiple deaths that occurred because of trauma related incidents yet they were included in “Covid” death counts.

This is absolutely a separate conversation, and it is probably better suited for the political forum or the Smack Shack.

 

[TwistedHusky]

This is the part that makes no sense.

Anyone's viewpoint on the vaccine is immaterial.

Let's focus on what we should be able to agree on.

If you don't get the vaccine, wear the mask and do the other stuff to keep people safe. Period.

Hell, I wear the mask indoors just so people in high risk categories can feel safer, and I got the shots.

It isn't about opinions.

I don't know someone's circumstance. If they don't have healthcare coverage, they might be concerned about the minuscule % chances of side effects* (and potential costs resulting). Or there could be other reasons. We shouldn't care.
(* Of course the costs and impact of actual Covid seems much more significant but again that is for them to weigh).

Just be a good person and do the reasonable things that help us all get things back to normal.
1 - Get the vax if possible.

Or (and)

2 - Wear a mask and do the distance/hygiene thing

Disputing the vaccine science or safety is an opinion thing. But this isn't about you. It is about lowering the risks to others. Even if you are right, how is not doing the other stuff somehow a problem?

Part of my work is with EHS and Security executives (as well as facilities security professionals). They just want spaces that are safe for people. Nobody cares about people's opinions of the vaccine, just that steps are in place to mitigate/eliminate respread potential. Even if you disagree with the shot thing, why would you not just do the basic reasonable human thing in terms of reasonable precautions with masks & hygiene?

IF you don't get the shots, THEN do that. How is anyone's opinion of the vaccine relevant? It is an IF/THEN ask. There is nothing political about it.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I’ve got to worry about my kids because of people like you. You’re selfish and your proud of it. We get it.

Sure I do. People in this thread are sure to remind everyone at least one time a page. Why ask though? Was it the part where the vaccinated should have nothing to worry about?

If your that paranoid about your kids, stay home. See, no worries.

Or if you refuse to get a vaccine stay home and be responsible or wear a Mask and follow CDC policy for unvaxed instead of potentially murdering children.

Murdering children? Come on man. Less than half of the American population have been vaccinated and they are the ones that should stay home? Here's an idea, instead of blaming people for threatening children, how about stop being crappy parents and exposing them to situations like football games.

 

[massari]

I'd be more worried about dying in a car crash going to the game than catching the Wuhan from an anti vax when you're already vaccinated.

Also get rid of this trash thread, and put all the pinned topics in the announcement section at the top to avoid clutter.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I’ve got to worry about my kids because of people like you. You’re selfish and your proud of it. We get it.

If your that paranoid about your kids, stay home. See, no worries.

Or if you refuse to get a vaccine stay home and be responsible or wear a Mask and follow CDC policy for unvaxed instead of potentially murdering children.

Murdering children? Come on man. Less than half of the American population have been vaccinated and they are the ones that should stay home? Here's an idea, instead of blaming people for threatening children, how about stop being crappy parents and exposing them to situations like football games.

Pitt, you'll be able to go to your games. In all likelihood, no one will know your vax status but you. It'll be full-on your choice to decide whether to scream around a little kid. Cough toward a baby.

And for unvaccinated adults, the clear moral choice is no.

But it'll be up to you.

 

[chris98251]

I’ve got to worry about my kids because of people like you. You’re selfish and your proud of it. We get it.

If your that paranoid about your kids, stay home. See, no worries.

Or if you refuse to get a vaccine stay home and be responsible or wear a Mask and follow CDC policy for unvaxed instead of potentially murdering children.

Murdering children? Come on man. Less than half of the American population have been vaccinated and they are the ones that should stay home? Here's an idea, instead of blaming people for threatening children, how about stop being crappy parents and exposing them to situations like football games.

As of today, we are talking about Game day, projections if people do what they need to do will have close to 70 percent by then.

 

[pittpnthrs]

If your that paranoid about your kids, stay home. See, no worries.

Or if you refuse to get a vaccine stay home and be responsible or wear a Mask and follow CDC policy for unvaxed instead of potentially murdering children.

Murdering children? Come on man. Less than half of the American population have been vaccinated and they are the ones that should stay home? Here's an idea, instead of blaming people for threatening children, how about stop being crappy parents and exposing them to situations like football games.

Pitt, you'll be able to go to your games. In all likelihood, no one will know your vax status but you. It'll be full-on your choice to decide whether to scream around a little kid. Cough toward a baby.

And for unvaccinated adults, the clear moral choice is no.

But it'll be up to you.

Yeah, I know. I'll probably go to two of them this year (Indy and Pittsburgh). I'll party with my friends in the parking lot, i'll party with them inside the stadium, i'll cheer and yell with everybody else, we'll probably hit a bar afterwards, and the after effects will be nothing. I'll be fine, my friends will be fine, and no children will die.

 

[pittpnthrs]

If your that paranoid about your kids, stay home. See, no worries.

Or if you refuse to get a vaccine stay home and be responsible or wear a Mask and follow CDC policy for unvaxed instead of potentially murdering children.

Murdering children? Come on man. Less than half of the American population have been vaccinated and they are the ones that should stay home? Here's an idea, instead of blaming people for threatening children, how about stop being crappy parents and exposing them to situations like football games.

As of today, we are talking about Game day, projections if people do what they need to do will have close to 70 percent by then.

Is that what they project after states had to bribe and practically beg people to get the shots?

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

My county fair is giving a full admission ticket, four ride tickets and a $20 food voucher to whoever gets the vax now. They're targeting 12-15, but anyone can get a vax.

Look Pitt, the incentives are nice but one big factor driving adult vaccination is that there will always be people who don't vax, the masks are coming off, people won't know, so they are acting to protect themselves or their 12+ children. And you should be glad, because it protects you too.

You'll get what you want. Without having to do, basically, anything. Way I see it, you made this choice. If it was just unvaxed adults, I'd say oh well. Like in a casino, oh well. Everyone in there is 21+. They know the risks.

Whereas a game isn't exactly a casino. It's a family event for many. If you end up sitting next to some family with a baby that's legally allowed to be there but who has no adult choice here, you're just gonna take no precautions whatever. You want us to support that so that...um, why? So you'll be less inconvenienced?

C'mon man. Just no. You've been given a giant freebie here, and all people are saying is that you choose to exercise some voluntary caution around other people's young children if you're in an unvaccinated state.

Is that such a big ask?

 

[pittpnthrs]

My county fair is giving a full admission ticket, four ride tickets and a $20 food voucher to whoever gets the vax now. They're targeting 12-15, but anyone can get a vax.

Look Pitt, the incentives are nice but one big factor driving adult vaccination is that there will always be people who don't vax, the masks are coming off, people won't know, so they are acting to protect themselves or their 12+ children. And you should be glad, because it protects you too.

You'll get what you want. Without having to do, basically, anything. Way I see it, you made this choice. If it was just unvaxed adults, I'd say oh well. Like in a casino, oh well. Everyone in there is 21+. They know the risks.

Whereas a game isn't exactly a casino. It's a family event for many. If you end up sitting next to some family with a baby that's legally allowed to be there but who has no adult choice here, you're just gonna take no precautions whatever. You want us to support that so that...um, why? So you'll be less inconvenienced?

C'mon man. Just no. You've been given a giant freebie here, and all people are saying is exercise a bit of caution around other people's young children if you're in an unvaccinated state.

Is that such a big ask?

I think things may have been lost in translation a bit. I have no issues about wearing a mask in places they are required. A big question I have right now is why are they lifting the requirements around the country when over 50% of the population havent been vaccinated. Shouldnt you be more upset with the people making those decisions than the people that are abiding by it?

Speaking of a football game or any family event, why are people taking kids and babies to these events in the middle of a pandemic when they are supposedly susceptible to catching the virus? Who is more to blame, a person that could possibly spread the virus unknowingly or the people knowingly putting children into that situation? Think about what you are asking here. You are asking for the majority of the population to go along with your beliefs and opinions to appease the minority and their paranoia.

Again, its a vaccination that was rushed to the public that has still not been FDA approved. The country is basically giving them out on every street corner and states still have to offer huge incentives and prizes for people to even consider getting the shots. If it was such a sure thing, people would be lining up in droves to get it, but yet,,,,,,,,,,

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm tired of hearing about the kids anyways. 0-18 years olds have a 0.1% chance of a fatality from Covid and for the ones that have died from the virus, many of them already had outlying medical issues. 95% of all Covid deaths have come from people 50 years old or older. The children bit is just another reach from the pro vaccinators.

 

[Throwdown]

:rumble:

I'm tired of hearing about the kids anyways. 0-18 years olds have a 0.1% chance of a fatality from Covid and for the ones that have died from the virus, many of them already had outlying medical issues. 95% of all Covid deaths have come from people 50 years old or older. The children bit is just another reach from the pro vaccinators.

There is also long term effects from infection.

But if you don’t want to get vaccinated idc, no ones making you. But don’t also complain when these companies do what’s within their rights to protect themselves and the public.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Pitt,

Going to answer the question for you because I asked the EHS and Security executives the same thing.

It is the carrot and stick thing.

The reason they are lifting the mask requirements is because they want to create an incentive for people on the fence to get the shots. Sure people who won't get them will unmask and pretend they did. There are people faking the vaccination cards too. Those people are the 20% they know they won't get.

They want the 20% on the fence, so even though it isn't riskless - you promise people the option of going maskless once you have the shots. It encourages more people to step forward. And by their numbers it works.*

Not sure kids are at much risk, they are a greater concern as potential carriers...but we don't know all the long term impact of asymptomatic Covid and most kids haven't been tested for it so we aren't even sure how many had Covid anyway. (We do know that a fair % of asymptomatic people did permanently have their oxygen %s impacted so it isn't riskless)



* It probably does not hurt that reopening and letting people go maskless encourage more commerce, which lets the economy recover as well

As to this being a 'trash thread' and not relevant?

...sigh

If you plan on going to Seahawk games, and I am, this IS important information. And you plan on attending you want your fellow fans to either have had the shots or to wear a mask. Completely relevant to Seahawk fans, not even remotely political.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Well Husky, he won't change his mind and so for us, especially those of us with children under 12, we have to deal with it.

Personally, I'd have my child masked and not visiting any indoor-type places. Minimal interaction. Because this isn't a public school where everyone's goal is to look out for the children. Some people scoff at a literal facial inconvenience to do one simple thing on behalf of them if they are at risk. Because they literally say they weren't, because they think they got corona before anyone figured it out. Literally, there will be a sizable contingent of unvaccinated people who will be thinking that the reopening just proves that they didn't have to do anything for your kid in the first place.

It's unfair. It shouldn't be this way. But in fact that is the way the world works.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Pitt,

Going to answer the question for you because I asked the EHS and Security executives the same thing.

It is the carrot and stick thing.

The reason they are lifting the mask requirements is because they want to create an incentive for people on the fence to get the shots. Sure people who won't get them will unmask and pretend they did. There are people faking the vaccination cards too. Those people are the 20% they know they won't get.

They want the 20% on the fence, so even though it isn't riskless - you promise people the option of going maskless once you have the shots. It encourages more people to step forward. And by their numbers it works.*

Not sure kids are at much risk, they are a greater concern as potential carriers...but we don't know all the long term impact of asymptomatic Covid and most kids haven't been tested for it so we aren't even sure how many had Covid anyway. (We do know that a fair % of asymptomatic people did permanently have their oxygen %s impacted so it isn't riskless)



* It probably does not hurt that reopening and letting people go maskless encourage more commerce, which lets the economy recover as well

As to this being a 'trash thread' and not relevant?

...sigh

If you plan on going to Seahawk games, and I am, this IS important information. And you plan on attending you want your fellow fans to either have had the shots or to wear a mask. Completely relevant to Seahawk fans, not even remotely political.

So let me get this straight. They are lifting the mask requirements in hopes that the unvaccinated will feel jealous that they still have to wear masks while the vaccinated do not, thus provoking the unvaccinated to a point that they will go and get the shots? Lol. Thats the silliest thing i've ever heard. Do you see the error in that line of thinking? If we are to be honest, lifting the mask requirements is a scheme in hopes that Covid cases will spike so that the unvaccinated will feel pressure to get the shots. Thats all.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Pitt,

Going to answer the question for you because I asked the EHS and Security executives the same thing.

It is the carrot and stick thing.

The reason they are lifting the mask requirements is because they want to create an incentive for people on the fence to get the shots. Sure people who won't get them will unmask and pretend they did. There are people faking the vaccination cards too. Those people are the 20% they know they won't get.

They want the 20% on the fence, so even though it isn't riskless - you promise people the option of going maskless once you have the shots. It encourages more people to step forward. And by their numbers it works.*

Not sure kids are at much risk, they are a greater concern as potential carriers...but we don't know all the long term impact of asymptomatic Covid and most kids haven't been tested for it so we aren't even sure how many had Covid anyway. (We do know that a fair % of asymptomatic people did permanently have their oxygen %s impacted so it isn't riskless)



* It probably does not hurt that reopening and letting people go maskless encourage more commerce, which lets the economy recover as well

As to this being a 'trash thread' and not relevant?

...sigh

If you plan on going to Seahawk games, and I am, this IS important information. And you plan on attending you want your fellow fans to either have had the shots or to wear a mask. Completely relevant to Seahawk fans, not even remotely political.

So let me get this straight. They are lifting the mask requirements in hopes that the unvaccinated will feel jealous that they still have to wear masks while the vaccinated do not, thus provoking the unvaccinated to a point that they will go and get the shots? Lol. Thats the silliest thing i've ever heard. Do you see the error in that line of thinking? If we are to be honest, lifting the mask requirements is a scheme in hopes that Covid cases will spike so that the unvaccinated will feel pressure to get the shots. Thats all.

Look Pitt. You've made it clear you're just going to do what you're going to do like going to games unmasked like anyone else. Even though you could be a superspreader and not figure it out until county health gets involved, you won't care. You dismiss this as a possibility in toto, it seems, as long as it doesn't lead back to you.

That therefore incentivizes more people to get vaxed themselves. And their eligible children. So that if they do choose to go scream at a game, they worry about you far less.

There is a discrete cohert between them. About 4 to 11. That's about the age that most people were taken to their first game and remember it. And unlike old people or anyone else, they're instantly identifiable. No one 11 and under can get a vax yet.

Is it such a big ask to just put a mask around such people?

 

[BocciHawk]

How death causes are recorded
Part I and II of a death certificate ask what caused a death and what other factors contributed to it. If COVID-19 appears among the causes and contributors, CDC guidance counts that as a COVID-19-related death.

Due to covid being a hindrance of health, they automatically make it a "Contributor". Show me one example of a person dieing WITH covid that they didn't count as a " Covid Related death".

This is why people were flying through their windshields and were getting counted as a "Covid death".

Just be real, you bought into the fear tactic and ran out to get stabbed twice with fluids being injected into you.

You got played SON! LOL!! You stright up got played!

Actually, if you look at typical death rates, the number of COVID-19 deaths is probably underreported by a factor of two i.e. we probably had twice as many die of COVID-19 than reported.

The death rate in this country -- deaths per capita -- is incredibly stable year after year.

So the giant spike last year was super obvious and really noticeable, especially given that flu deaths were non existent.

Last year was the first year in a long long time that life expectancy in the United States dropped, and it dropped a lot, more than a year.

So, make whatever claims you want, but the numbers don't lie. Deaths were up massively across the entire United States.

 

[Spohawks]

Numbers don't lie but the reasons can come from all areas. Baby boomers dieing and real deaths reported could have been a factor.

Regardless, when a person flys through a windshield from a car accident/ people shot and its reported a Covid death...there is a scam brewing. Why be a sucker when the facts are in front of you? Don't get played.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Numbers don't lie but the reasons can come from all areas. Baby boomers dieing and real deaths reported could have been a factor.

Regardless, when a person flys through a windshield from a car accident/ people shot and its reported a Covid death...there is a scam brewing. Why be a sucker when the facts are in front of you? Don't get played.

George Floyd was found to have had covid in his system. No one's saying George Floyd died of covid.

Covid should be cited when there's a reasonable supposition that it caused the death. It clearly cost the nursing home population dearly. Most of these people were probably going to die within some years of something anyway, but they died in 2020 because covid hit them especially hard.

They got vaxed, over 80 percent of them. They have gone back to dying and being hospitalized for other things with barely an issue. Their case counts are way down and the homes are starting to open these Mother's Day and Father's Day events.

Covid's such a big deal, still, that it's to everyone's advantage to just eliminate as a problem to the extent every individual can so that the docs if required have more time to deal with whatever else that is going on.