We're sorry, Tical. You were right, please forgive us, Tical

[hawk45]

Lol let me.try it another for you

You and tical want us to believe a qb who according to you

Can't throw short
Can throw people open
Can't diagnose defenses
Can't work in an offense
Can only throw long that's all

Some how despite not being good at doing anything an NFL qb needs to do but throw long some how is amongst the best to play the game through his first 10 years. You do realize how absurd that is.

Now as to your attempt to placate me. Know one says he is great at everything no qb is. What we are saying is he is better than u and tical who think he can't do anything but throw long is. All these complaints u have about Wilson can de leveled at every qb in league at some level.

Bro. A qb with a gifted arm and legs who doesn't throw the ball unless he sees his open by a pretty large margin is going to have a solid completion percentage. Especially if he functions in an offense that doesnt rely on him to do much through the air because it's build to win on the ground. Add in Russels natural gift and talents and you have a scenario where you have a qb with a cannon who rarely takes risks completing a high % of balls against defenses who have no idea where the ball is going because he's always off script. Doesn't mean he wasn't hall of fame good at it. Just that it doesn't explain away his obviously struggle at doing other basic things.

He's literally the definition of success despite his deficiencies which is remarkable and for that he deserves all the recognition he can get.

But talk about other aspects of his game... not so much. And that hasn't mattered until now.

Wow alot of reading from say absolutely nothing. I have proven factually you are wrong over and over when u figure that out wr can move on to important things.

No words for these responses.

Yes John. You've 'factually' proved nothing outside of quoting statistics.

Stats sometimes require context.

I'll use the one I've already mentioned several times. Russels qbr against the WFT the other night was 10. He literally shat the bed and hit a 110. By that standard, if he played as well as he did that night, by that Stat, he'd be the best of all time.

You know how many games he's played where hes gone 16 for 23 for 180 or so because he wasn't asked to throw and only did when Doug or Lock found an opening I'm a zone to sit in... or he'd hit Kearse on a PA pass?. Or the receiver had 3 yards of separation. That's was literally the first 7 plus years of his career.

He compiled his stats in a low risk simple system because that's what he showed he could do. Its not like he could beat 2 high in 2015 and forgot. And then he used his God given talent to function above what his attitude for xs and os allowed for.

Outside of that, he makes his hay on the long ball, his legs, and after 10 years still struggles against 2 high, exotic coverages and is still league worst going over the middle short.

That's 'factually' fact.

100% this, just as Tical said. The threat of the legs masked his passing limitations, and when that went away the mask came off.

Hell, we often saw that even with his legs we didn’t operate at all in the passing game except but 2 drives a game. Which I used to pin on bevell. But in those 2 drives, it’d be late in the game, and Wilson would break contain more frequently on those drives, and then magically he’d be able to hit on passes.

Schotty came in and we started to operate offensively all game long, but that’s because his first year we ran the SHIT out of the ball. It was beautiful. We stayed with the run maybe one series too many in the Dallas playoff loss and so instead of staying with that effective mix the next year, we dramatically overcorrected with let Russ cook, which was fire until teams realized we weren’t going to go back to running ever again and they could sit out 3 high. We’ve been there ever since.

Now Waldron is trying to do what schotty tried towards the end: fix Russ vs cover 2 without resorting to running the ball all game long. With the same or worse results as schotty had because he isn’t fixable vs cover 2 by passing alone. Simply cannot beat it with his arm and his head. He definitively can not.

 

[hawk45]

Although as keasley45 said he’ll beat cover 2 a few times a game and John will put up an isolated stat or dots on a chart when the truth is Russ broke the pocket and ran around until the zone broke down, but did not beat it with pre or post snap recognition and anticipation

 

[John63]

Okay so I am going to make this east for tical, keasley45 and the rest of your crew.

First
You went from can't, to never, to hardly changing your tune whenever you were proven wrong.

So here it is.

No qb in NFL history has put up numbers like Wilson's which rival all the greats while being on able to throw long period fact end of story.

Now you can have your opinion but as keasley45 said opinions don't matter. And the facts show he is and has been one of the best in the league his whole career and you can't do that while only being able to throw long.

?

Thank you for summing it all up for 'the crew'.

Much appreciated. It's clear now.

Your welcome happy holidays

 

[John63]

Bro. A qb with a gifted arm and legs who doesn't throw the ball unless he sees his open by a pretty large margin is going to have a solid completion percentage. Especially if he functions in an offense that doesnt rely on him to do much through the air because it's build to win on the ground. Add in Russels natural gift and talents and you have a scenario where you have a qb with a cannon who rarely takes risks completing a high % of balls against defenses who have no idea where the ball is going because he's always off script. Doesn't mean he wasn't hall of fame good at it. Just that it doesn't explain away his obviously struggle at doing other basic things.

He's literally the definition of success despite his deficiencies which is remarkable and for that he deserves all the recognition he can get.

But talk about other aspects of his game... not so much. And that hasn't mattered until now.

Wow alot of reading from say absolutely nothing. I have proven factually you are wrong over and over when u figure that out wr can move on to important things.

No words for these responses.

Yes John. You've 'factually' proved nothing outside of quoting statistics.

Stats sometimes require context.

I'll use the one I've already mentioned several times. Russels qbr against the WFT the other night was 10. He literally shat the bed and hit a 110. By that standard, if he played as well as he did that night, by that Stat, he'd be the best of all time.

You know how many games he's played where hes gone 16 for 23 for 180 or so because he wasn't asked to throw and only did when Doug or Lock found an opening I'm a zone to sit in... or he'd hit Kearse on a PA pass?. Or the receiver had 3 yards of separation. That's was literally the first 7 plus years of his career.

He compiled his stats in a low risk simple system because that's what he showed he could do. Its not like he could beat 2 high in 2015 and forgot. And then he used his God given talent to function above what his attitude for xs and os allowed for.

Outside of that, he makes his hay on the long ball, his legs, and after 10 years still struggles against 2 high, exotic coverages and is still league worst going over the middle short.

That's 'factually' fact.

100% this, just as Tical said. The threat of the legs masked his passing limitations, and when that went away the mask came off.

Hell, we often saw that even with his legs we didn’t operate at all in the passing game except but 2 drives a game. Which I used to pin on bevell. But in those 2 drives, it’d be late in the game, and Wilson would break contain more frequently on those drives, and then magically he’d be able to hit on passes.

Schotty came in and we started to operate offensively all game long, but that’s because his first year we ran the $h!t out of the ball. It was beautiful. We stayed with the run maybe one series too many in the Dallas playoff loss and so instead of staying with that effective mix the next year, we dramatically overcorrected with let Russ cook, which was fire until teams realized we weren’t going to go back to running ever again and they could sit out 3 high. We’ve been there ever since.

Now Waldron is trying to do what schotty tried towards the end: fix Russ vs cover 2 without resorting to running the ball all game long. With the same or worse results as schotty had because he isn’t fixable vs cover 2 by passing alone. Simply cannot beat it with his arm and his head. He definitively can not.

Lots of opinions tical no facts to support as usual there worng.

 

[John63]

Although as keasley45 said he’ll beat cover 2 a few times a game and John will put up an isolated stat or dots on a chart when the truth is Russ broke the pocket and ran around until the zone broke down, but did not beat it with pre or post snap recognition and anticipation

wrong.

Hmm tical. Hawk45 and keasley45 hmm interesting more lies and bs from the Qahawk group.

 

[chris98251]

Well Siouxhawk left when Bevell and TJack did, winder what Moniker John63 will use when Wilson is traded and leaves to argue his support let's say on the Giants boards.

Regardless we have pointed out the holes in his game, Professionals have pointed out the holes in his game, they show up like hitting a Pothole in a car on a Seattle side street, you can't miss them once you hit it. Yet John63 would call them anything but a pothole, maybe it was a flaw in the street, a meteor hit there before they could fix it, Construction crew damaged it, yet as you go down the street you keep hitting more and more.

 

[John63]

Well Siouxhawk left when Bevell and TJack did, winder what Moniker John63 will use when Wilson is traded and leaves to argue his support let's say on the Giants boards.

Regardless we have pointed out the holes in his game, Professionals have pointed out the holes in his game, they show up like hitting a Pothole in a car on a Seattle side street, you can't miss them once you hit it. Yet John63 would call them anything but a pothole, maybe it was a flaw in the street, a meteor hit there before they could fix it, Construction crew damaged it, yet as you go down the street you keep hitting more and more.

And professionals have refuted the holes you claim are there as well. So maybe its more like an illusion were the weak minded see things that are not really there or see things as being bigger than they really are. In the end the weak minded have to make things up or exaggerate because they are to weak to admit there wrong. Enjoy the illusion.

 

[keasley45]

Well Siouxhawk left when Bevell and TJack did, winder what Moniker John63 will use when Wilson is traded and leaves to argue his support let's say on the Giants boards.

Regardless we have pointed out the holes in his game, Professionals have pointed out the holes in his game, they show up like hitting a Pothole in a car on a Seattle side street, you can't miss them once you hit it. Yet John63 would call them anything but a pothole, maybe it was a flaw in the street, a meteor hit there before they could fix it, Construction crew damaged it, yet as you go down the street you keep hitting more and more.

And professionals have refuted the holes you claim are there as well. So maybe its more like an illusion were the weak minded see things that are not really there or see things as being bigger than they really are. In the end the weak minded have to make things up or exaggerate because they are to weak to admit there wrong. Enjoy the illusion.

Which professionals refuted it?

 

[keasley45]

Here's one that you can try to claim has been refuted. This is a quote from an article in the Athletic on the whole RW vs the Seahawks drama. FYI. The Athletic doesn't have a horse in the race and the article is pretty well balanced.

But for the JOHN63 crew to act as though criticism of the very obvious flaws in Wilson's game are somehow hate based is just beyond dumb. Either that, or there are also a bunch of dumb veteran head coaches, HOf qbs , etc that also just don't know football and can't get by their disdain for the guy.

He's great at what he does and frequently a liability in situations where he's required to do those things he's not good at.

Link
https://theathletic.com/2409212/2021/02 ... -seahawks/

During a 17-12 loss to the McCoy-led Giants (/player/nfl/ari-cardinals/colt-mccoy/) in early December, a game in which the offense scored only 10 points, Wilson dropped back and set up in a clean pocket. He held the ball longer than four seconds and had plenty of space around him, only to take a sack, a play indicative of Wilson’s struggles down the stretch.

“What the **** is wrong with Russell Wilson?” a veteran coach who watched the game said at the time. “He is seeing ghosts. They act like they are not protecting him, but he kills the protection. There are times they got a clean pocket, he runs up in there, he just panics. He is not playing very good at all.”

“People say their protection is not that good,” the coach went on. “That whole ‘Let Russ Cook’ thing, he is better when they can run the ball and they play off that, there is no question. No one likes that because they want him to be Dan Marino. Well, he is not Dan Marino. You are who you are. .”

 

[toffee]

Here's one that you can try to claim has been refuted. This is a quote from an article in the Athletic on the whole RW vs the Seahawks drama. FYI. The Athletic doesn't have a horse in the race and the article is pretty well balanced.

But for the JOHN63 crew to act as though criticism of the very obvious flaws in Wilson's game are somehow hate based is just beyond dumb. Either that, or there are also a bunch of dumb veteran head coaches, HOf qbs , etc that also just don't know football and can't get by their disdain for the guy.

He's great at what he does and frequently a liability in situations where he's required to do those things he's not good at.

Link
https://theathletic.com/2409212/2021/02 ... -seahawks/

During a 17-12 loss to the McCoy-led Giants (/player/nfl/ari-cardinals/colt-mccoy/) in early December, a game in which the offense scored only 10 points, Wilson dropped back and set up in a clean pocket. He held the ball longer than four seconds and had plenty of space around him, only to take a sack, a play indicative of Wilson’s struggles down the stretch.

“What the f*** is wrong with Russell Wilson?” a veteran coach who watched the game said at the time. “He is seeing ghosts. They act like they are not protecting him, but he kills the protection. There are times they got a clean pocket, he runs up in there, he just panics. He is not playing very good at all.”

“People say their protection is not that good,” the coach went on. “That whole ‘Let Russ Cook’ thing, he is better when they can run the ball and they play off that, there is no question. No one likes that because they want him to be Dan Marino. Well, he is not Dan Marino. You are who you are. .”

Some here would say the Wilson we are seeing today is a Wilson damaged by that all hating Carroll. [emoji23]

These folks will also say the real Russell, once free of Pete will reemerge, and yes the real Wilson is better than Marino.

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[John63]

Well Siouxhawk left when Bevell and TJack did, winder what Moniker John63 will use when Wilson is traded and leaves to argue his support let's say on the Giants boards.

Regardless we have pointed out the holes in his game, Professionals have pointed out the holes in his game, they show up like hitting a Pothole in a car on a Seattle side street, you can't miss them once you hit it. Yet John63 would call them anything but a pothole, maybe it was a flaw in the street, a meteor hit there before they could fix it, Construction crew damaged it, yet as you go down the street you keep hitting more and more.

And professionals have refuted the holes you claim are there as well. So maybe its more like an illusion were the weak minded see things that are not really there or see things as being bigger than they really are. In the end the weak minded have to make things up or exaggerate because they are to weak to admit there wrong. Enjoy the illusion.

This^^^

 

[keasley45]

Well Siouxhawk left when Bevell and TJack did, winder what Moniker John63 will use when Wilson is traded and leaves to argue his support let's say on the Giants boards.

Regardless we have pointed out the holes in his game, Professionals have pointed out the holes in his game, they show up like hitting a Pothole in a car on a Seattle side street, you can't miss them once you hit it. Yet John63 would call them anything but a pothole, maybe it was a flaw in the street, a meteor hit there before they could fix it, Construction crew damaged it, yet as you go down the street you keep hitting more and more.

And professionals have refuted the holes you claim are there as well. So maybe its more like an illusion were the weak minded see things that are not really there or see things as being bigger than they really are. In the end the weak minded have to make things up or exaggerate because they are to weak to admit there wrong. Enjoy the illusion.

This^^^

LMAO. The world we live in today...

 

[John63]

Well Siouxhawk left when Bevell and TJack did, winder what Moniker John63 will use when Wilson is traded and leaves to argue his support let's say on the Giants boards.

Regardless we have pointed out the holes in his game, Professionals have pointed out the holes in his game, they show up like hitting a Pothole in a car on a Seattle side street, you can't miss them once you hit it. Yet John63 would call them anything but a pothole, maybe it was a flaw in the street, a meteor hit there before they could fix it, Construction crew damaged it, yet as you go down the street you keep hitting more and more.

And professionals have refuted the holes you claim are there as well. So maybe its more like an illusion were the weak minded see things that are not really there or see things as being bigger than they really are. In the end the weak minded have to make things up or exaggerate because they are to weak to admit there wrong. Enjoy the illusion.

^^^this

 

[DJ_CJ]

It’s so hard being gifted with so many successful seasons with a future first ballot HOF’r… of course he has his liabilities but Jesus Christ on a bicycle … savior to martyr in a instant


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[Seymour]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Get a roooom you 3!!

 

[John63]

It’s so hard being gifted with so many successful seasons with a future first ballot HOF’r… of course he has his liabilities but Jesus Christ on a bicycle … savior to martyr in a instant


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All the greats had their liabilities but for some reason some don't understand that.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Come on Tical. Yet another game where Russ did all the things you claim he can't.
Apology time :mrgreen:

 

[John63]

Come on Tical. Yet another game where Russ did all the things you claim he can't.
Apology time :mrgreen:

Dont hold your breath Tical will go back into eh abyss till the next time Wilson struggles.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

All in good fun :irishdrinkers:

 

[TCHawks]

Russ was a monster yesterday. Played it safe and threw the short stuff when it was there and still played his brand of hero ball. He deserves credit. He's getting healthier too