Where did Pete go wrong?

[Jville]

You've completely lost me . . . but whatever.

Obviously, you deleted the pointed definition from the complete quote as as well .................

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..................... a conscious deletion I presume.

 

[Parallax]

Obviously, you deleted the pointed definition from the complete quote as as well .................



..................... a conscious deletion I presume.

Sorry. Not getting any clearer. And you've still not addressed the original question. But whatever, dude. You're under no obligation to do anything but pay taxes and die, just like the rest of us.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Get a room guys.

 

[Jville]

Sorry. Not getting any clearer.

I don't believe the first part.

The second part is by choice.

 

[Parallax]

I don't believe the first part.

The second part is by choice.

You don't know me. I don't B.S.

 

[Jville]

You don't know me. I don't B.S.

Posts reveal a great deal about their author.

 

[Parallax]

Posts reveal a great deal about their author.

Think what you want, man. I know not to give weight to your posts because you have your mind made up about stuff.

 

[Jville]

Think what you want, man. I know not to give weight to your posts because you have your mind made up about stuff.

Everyone here is at liberty to think and express their opinions. Including, opinions about the destructive practice of slander.

 

[Parallax]

Everyone here is at liberty to think and express their opinions. Including, opinions about the destructive practice of slander.

Yup, and everyone is free to ignore them.

 

[Jville]

Shine a light on slander.

 

[AROS]

How long do you want Carroll to be coaching Seattle, one year? Two years?, Three year? Carroll was going to be the oldest coach to ever coach an NFL game at some point during the 2023 season. In addition to that, Carroll's teams started to show diminishing returns. I get that Carroll was successful, but it was time.

Carroll was defensive coach that couldn't build a defense. It has been since 2016 that the Seahawks have fielded a top 10 defense. In recent years the Seahawks were near the bottom of the league in defense. In addition to this, our post season record has been absolutely dismal since we lost the Super Bowl. We had exactly one playoff win in a 7 year span, that win? It was against a 40+ year old McCown that was suddenly thrust into the game due to an injury.

To add insult to injury, Carroll was unable to keep up with McVay and more recently Kyle Shanahan. Carroll went 2-4 the conference this season. If not for a normally reliable, Matt Prater missing two easy field goals, Carroll would be 1-5 in the division. Mind you, this was in a season that Pete Carroll absolutely destroyed our cap and sold out to try and make a deep post season run, in addition to trading a second round pick for a player not on the books past 2023.

We also must mention that the last two times we were in the playoffs we were escorted out by out by divisional rivals in an embarrassing fashion. It's Pete Carroll's inability to challenge McVay and more recently Shanahan that really led to Carroll's demise here.

There was also a caviler attitude that some of our players had. The team was undisciplined and some of our guys just seemed to be going through the motions. Carroll even publicly called out some of these guys in a press conference which is rare.

We could keep going and parsing through things, but I think you get the point. Carroll is absolutely, unquestionably the best Seahawks head coach ever. There is NO denying that. Will Mike Macdonald be as successful as Pete was here? I wouldn't take that bet, Carroll's overall body of work is impressive, even the staunchest of his detractors has to acknowledge that. Will he give the Seahawks a better long term prognosis than Pete Carroll? That I would bet on.

Pete had 1 year left on his contract with an option for an extra year attached. Given Carroll's age and the current state of the roster, do you think it made much sense to continue with Pete? Do you think in two years, he could make a Super Bowl run given our salary cap situation and various holes in the roster? Don't forget now, Pete hasn't even been competitive with 2/3 of our division rivals for years at this point.

If the answer you gave to that last question is "no" then it doesn't make sense to keep Pete Carroll on the team given his age. You're just wasting time at that point to fulfill the rest of his contract. We're at the point were we need a long term plan in place, Carroll didn't have such a plan. Pete kept making short term based decisions to go for a run when we didn't have the roster for it. Thie current situation given Pete's age would be a purgatory. Carroll would not have had the roster ready in just this offseason and possibly another one to make any sort of run, lets be real here -- especially with the looming cap issue. Seattle is in a position where we need to jettison some players and make some hard decisions, hard decisions that will inevitably create more holes to patch up.

That’s a mighty fine post right there. Well said and if anyone is being completely honest with themselves it would be extremely hard to argue any of those points.

 

[Threedee]

Most coaches don't go out on top. Joe Pa won championships at PSU in the 80s and coached for thirty more years. Not sure why Nick Saban bowed out while his Alabubba teams were still highly competitive.

 

[AROS]

@Jville @Parallax time to move on from the slander convo. Take it to PM or just move on. It’s not constructive to the thread.

 

[Parallax]

Most coaches don't go out on top. Joe Pa won championships at PSU in the 80s and coached for thirty more years. Not sure why Nick Saban bowed out while his Alabubba teams were still highly competitive.

That's true. Saban went out on top. Bill Walsh back in the day. John Wooden, going really far back, though Krzyzewski at Duke hadn't lost too many steps when he retired. Tony LaRussa in baseball. Scotty Bowman in the NHL. No doubt I'm leaving out many. Those are just a few who come to mind.

 

[RiverDog]

It was a great run. When coaches hire and fire coordinators and start believing in there own press..... some of those colossally bad bad drafts..I believe the coordinators had a large say in those picks. Holmgren lasted only ten years. It happens. To think we had two coaches in 24 years? Thats a sign of success. Mora jr dint count

So Mora doesn't count? There's not much sense in making such a claim if you're going to cherry pick.

But I get your point. Next to the Steelers and Patriots, we've been the most stable franchise in the 21st century.

 

[xray]

This may piss some folks off ; but Paul & Jody Allen deserve a good share of the blame . Paul Allen handed Carroll the ' keys to the castle ' from day one ; and obviously must of been satisfied with what Carroll was doing . Paul Allen died in 2018 and Jody Allen took over . She must of also been satisfied with PC and the team for 5 more years . Carroll just took advantage of his power situation ; but it could of been curtailed at any time by the Allens . imo

 

[CouchLogic]

Then why are you posting in it? If it's time to move on, then move on. If you're so tired of these topics, then don't perpetuate the discussion by adding your own comments.

Double Yawn.

 

[irfuben32]

I was going to start a thread about beating the dead horse one last time, but this thread suffices nicely.

The firing of Pete Carroll will finally allow the team to move on from the moment that has been hanging over this franchise for almost a decade. The glory days started with the Beastquake and ended with Malcom Butlers interception in SB 49.

Pete was a standup guy for taking the blame, but he didn't understand that psychologically, if there was ANY chance of the team moving past it, someones head had to roll.

 

[taylorvon29]

The need for a fall guy.

Someone to stone.

Is strong in the forum tonight.

So much self imposed misery on display.

Get off your high horse buddy. It's an opinion based thread

 

[DarkVictory23]

There are a couple of different ways to take this thread, but since Pete was generally successful for the entirety of his career here I interpreted as to 'Why did Pete get fired when he wanted to stay?' and my answer was simple:

He fired Ken Norton Jr. for Clint Hurtt to chase the Fangio defensive hotness.

Now, I think there were some non-performance related reasons why Pete's gone now: He's old and there were just a lot of attractive head coaching candidates coming onto the market that I think both Schneider and Jody didn't want to lose out on the chance to get them, but this 2 year failure of a defense is the one thing that Pete had control of that I believe sealed his ouster.