To all of the "Pete Ball" defenders

I'm not sure who these Pete ball defenders are Fade. As for myself i don't care if they run it or throw it what i care about is what works and gets TD's . Clearly with the addition of Metcalf and Wilson's amazing talent at QB they should throw the ball more. I'll just remind you that Atlanta doesn't have a good secondary at all and there not a great team running the football either . It's to early to say if Air Carroll is a consistent strategy i hope it is that's more fun to watch.

I have always thought that RW should have been given more control of the play calling. Not only is he extremely talented, he puts in the work with game film.

His mantra "the separation is in the preparation" indicates a QB with more than just talent, it reveals a QB with great discipline and work ethic.

Settle down. This team won't morph into the SD Chargers of yester year , but it would be fun .

That's my guy Dome right there!
Call it whatever makes you feel best, but IMO our best offensive scheme would be for Schotty to send Russ a few plays to consider, Pete to let Russ know what he wants to accomplish, and let Russ call the offensive game. He's more than ready for that. He's the one feeling the game. He sees what the defense is doing. Let him dial up the response he feels like it's time for.
That's what it's time for.

Tical21":385m3cr4 said:

We know what happens when we don't feature the run. But some choose to forget we've played this game before.

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Sorry, but there was more creativity and flat-out ballsy decisions in this game than we've ever seen under Pete Carroll before in a single game, save possibly one from Russell's rookie season. This isn't just an over-simplification that we "threw more".

John63":m9vhrjmw said:

One HUGE thing SChotty was in the booth not on the sidelines. This is HUGE!!!

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I don't agree with you on much but on this I sure do,I hope he stays up there.

Tical21":3mwc5ihk said:

.....I'll prefer Russ throws 50 times if we get to see man all game.

We know what happens when we don't feature the run. But some choose to forget we've played this game before.

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Because "Russ can't read zone"...correct? :roll:

We have NOT seen what can happen! That was with an entirely different Oline, Oline coach, and blocking scheme! :177692:

SoulfishHawk":1zexvxk8 said:

My wife was like "FINALLY, they do something different"
She does make a good point. Not that the formula hasn't work for years. But, switching it up, being creative and aggressive was SO good to see.

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That is pretty much how felt as well. At least it was a change which has been very rare in the PC era. Who knows if it's for only one game or a fundamental shift in his thinking. I just was glad we could watch the first three quarters and be pleasantly surprised by the approach. I personally am not shocked it worked so well!

Wasting 3 quarters establishing the run to setup playaction is dumb.

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And the numbers back it up as well.

New offense looked pretty awesome. I'm convinced.

This ^
I have no doubt they can move the ball and put up 27-30+ on ANY defense. And they are gonna' get better which is scary. To me at least, it looks a lot more creative as a whole.

I don't know it it's more creative, but it is more aggressive than we've become accustomed to seeing. That seems like a plus. A passive approach to offense will diminish desired result. I always considered compromise an exercise in losing more slowly (see prevent defense).
Not sure exactly what the beef is regarding "Peteball". Carrol's approach is to present a balanced attack, which I wholeheartedly endorse. I still think Russ is entirely capable of reading the situation and making the right call from the suggestions he receives. I bet he would take as much advantage of the run game as he could. He knows what sets up the big plays and how to make it happen. RPO is maybe the most efficient style I know of to do that as you have options for adjustment on every play. I'm confident if Russ was doing the cooking you would see him handing/pitching the ball off about half the time.

They're running there stuff, the difference from the last 2 years is they're throwing more in neutral situations. They just need to cut out those 2nd and 10 runs and they're golden.

Seattle punted on 3 of 4 possessions when running on 2nd and 10 against Dallas. 2nd and 10 runs are drive killers league wide.

Ideally, if the defense can improve a little bit, and the schedule softens up. They can jump on teams early, and then feature a more run heavy attack in the 2nd half of games when they have a three-four score lead. When you should run the ball.

Sky Box Schotty has been fantastic in the redzone.


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75-105 901 7 td 7.0 ypc
79-103 925 14 td 7.9 ypc

84-331 4 td
76-355 1 td

Seems like the offense is quite similar to last year, in my opinion the big difference right now is in the red zone. The Hawks so far are 100% compared to 88.9% last year.

If you break those down by qtr, you will see the obvious change.

Additionally, the big change will be in the playoffs.

Since our SB loss, we tend to go into halftime down by multiple TDs. MULTIPLE.

The biggest and most significant benefit will not be the 4 TDs per game that Wilson throws for, but that we no longer fall behind by double digits in divisional playoff games. And that because of this change, our HOF QB will win the 1st playoff game that matters (ie non-wildcard) since the SB loss.

For the first time since our SB loss, Pete's 'Dinosaur Ball' that is worthless in the playoffs will finally not hold Wilson back*.

(* We can admit that likely the Carolina loss might be on Wilson, but for the most part, almost every other playoff loss since the SB loss included a Wilson barely used to score offensive TDs until the 2nd half)

It also helps that our defense is so bad that we can't play Pete Ball if we wanted to. We'd be down 21-0 by the time the offense got going

Flyingsquad23":26d0v2el said:

75-105 901 7 td 7.9 ypc
79-103 925 14 td 7.0 ypc

84-331 4 td
76-355 1 td

Seems like the offense is quite similar to last year, in my opinion the big difference right now is in the red zone. The Hawks so far are 100% compared to 88.9% last year.

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Now review neutral script situations.

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It the Seahawks had reverted back to "Pete Ball" to start the year they would be 1-2, maybe even 0-3.

ducks41468":yxhxt8nd said:

It also helps that our defense is so bad that we can't play Pete Ball if we wanted to. We'd be down 21-0 by the time the offense got going

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Yes, true. But Pete in year's past would at least start the first couple of offensive series with "Pete ball," to see if his defense was holding up, and try to establish the run.

This year they are coming out gunning, like it's the 4th quarter, in the 1st quarter. As they should.

After a little more research it seems last year in the first three games they only scored one less td in the red zone. But I did find an interesting stat.
So far this year the Hawks have thrown on 1st down...
Game 1. 15 times
Game 2. 11 times
Game 3. 15 times

And last years first 3
Game 1. 6 times
Game 2. 15 times
Game 3. 18 times

Game 1 vs. Cincinnati Russ only threw the ball 20 times total completing 14

And now I present some more numbers for consideration
Through 3 games
Play call by down
1st down
2019 37 runs 48 pass
2020 39 runs. 46 pass

2nd down
2019. 25 runs 31 pass
2020. 30 runs. 37 pass

3rd down
2019. 10 runs. 26 pass
2020 7 runs. 18 pass

And for Twisted let’s look at by QTR

1st Qtr
2019. 20 run. 20 pass
2020. 17 run. 22 pass

2nd Qtr
2019. 17 run. 31 pass
2020. 21 run. 31 pass

3rd Qtr
2019. 14 run 19 pass
2020. 19 run. 23 pass

4th Qtr
2019 15 run. 27 pass
2020. 19 run. 27 pass

So what is Pete ball and what is cooking, statistically I don’t see much difference.