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  • I have been watching his college tapes and he is a beast. I think that after we got Taylor in the draft, Pete and John were less intense in their pursuit of Clowney. Clowney is a big part of the Tennessee defense, but he will never be a pass rusher like Taylor, who has the speed, strength and bend of the great ones.


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  • I'm trying not to get my hopes up. Until he sees the field, I'm just going to assume he's another Malik McDowell, albeit with completely different circumstances. But I'm half expecting the same result. I'm not normally pessimistic about things, but the uncertainty around his return timeline really has me down.
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  • He is following the LJ Collier path. We might not see what this guy can do until 2021.
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  • What happened to him? I totally forgot about this guy...
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  • I would like to, has he played yet?
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  • He's definitely a promising prospect. We've got a legit leo prospect waiting in the wings. I've got high hopes, he has dangerous juice and bend.
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  • Aiunahthar wrote:What happened to him? I totally forgot about this guy...


    One of the principle reasons he fell in the draft was he had to have post college surgery and a rod inserted in his leg just prior to the draft. He’s still rehabbing that surgery. There have unfortunately been no reports of him practicing or running yet so it could be a while.

    I remain hopeful he might see the field way late in the season but He’ll be way behind in his development. To me he was a good pick but one where we will need to patiently wait to see results from.
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  • The rod in the leg concerns me. My son broke his arm playing HS football as a frosh. As a soph he broke it again at the end of the rod and the surgeon stated that was not uncommon as the bone can flex but the rod will not. My son had the rod removed when he had the last surgery and went on to play his final two years with no injuries (well no arm injuries).
    Let's just say I'm dubious.
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  • I'm kind of with TreeRon on this one, although I had seen enough from Taylor's college play to know he has/had some great potential. I'm just not sold on use of foreign properties in place of natural body parts. $6M man project can turn out to be worthless. But I will hold out hope in Taylor's case. He HAS been doing some running, according to Pete.
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  • I seriously doubt he sees the field this year. We added Bullard since the start of the season who played well against the Vikings. If he keep improving it lets us IR Taylor for next year. There is no reason to rush him up and risk further injury.
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  • I'd be shocked if we saw Taylor this year, leg and shin stress fractures are a very long rehab.

    He was a risky pick, and that is proving out right now. So unfortunately, it's not time to talk about Taylor, and probably won't be time to talk about him until next summer.

    Doesn't make me feel any better when Claypool, Diggs and Johnson are all balling out this year for Chicago, Dallas and Pittsburgh.......three guys who were drafted right after Taylor.

    Mix that frustration in with Patrick Queen winning the AFC defensive player of the week, drafted right after Jordyn Brooks.........and it makes me think Pete and John are too damn cute for their own good, and it's happening with these defensive picks WAY too frequently now.
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  • Frustrating. Rumor was that Taylor very well could have been our first rounder if Brooks had been gone. It’d be nice to see why they like this guy so much.
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  • godawg wrote:I have been watching his college tapes and he is a beast. I think that after we got Taylor in the draft, Pete and John were less intense in their pursuit of Clowney. Clowney is a big part of the Tennessee defense, but he will never be a pass rusher like Taylor, who has the speed, strength and bend of the great ones.


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    Per John Clayton, Clowney spurned the Seahawks. Didn't return their calls, ignored their counter offers, etc. IMHO, he'd made up his mind where he was going, and where he was not going. Maybe he was upset that he played through injury but the Seahawks didn't break the bank for him?


    I'm a huge Darryl Taylor fan! It's too bad COVID hit before the Seahawjks could work with their draft picks. Darryl got his surgery after playing with a leg fracture I think it was? (Shows you how tough he is). And then, from what I understand, he overdid it on his rehab and set himself back.

    Pete said something to the effect of "If we could have given him guidance for his rehab, he'd be with us now."

    How about Alton Robinson working with Cliff Avril? Wasn't that before the draft? Like he knew where he was going? Crazy.

    I think if we get Darryl Taylor on the field, our defense will make a huge jump! Playing without Bruce Irvin and Jamal Taylor has been a HUGE setback for the Defense. Bruce is really talented, and now has the experience.
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  • Rat wrote:Frustrating. Rumor was that Taylor very well could have been our first rounder if Brooks had been gone. It’d be nice to see why they like this guy so much.


    Indeed!

    I was excited the team picked this player but was unaware of his surgery issues though I knew he had played the last few games of his college year while injured, and while injured he was not as effective as before.

    I'm hopeful he pans out and that Collier continues to improve too.
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  • Should re title this thread to “Let’s Talk about players who haven’t done jack shot for the Seahawks and were very poor draft choices so far”

    Taylor has played how much? And we could have who instead that was much highly rated pre draft?
    Brooks has done what exactly?
    Collier is at least on the field sometimes but first rounder?

    The ONLY thing Pete has proven with these three is that he is GREAT at drafting players that are injury prone and he is a poor talent evaluator for about 5 years.

    Queen over Brooks was obvious but Pete thinks he’s smarter than everyone else is and keeps flunking 1st period.
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:Should re title this thread to “Let’s Talk about players who haven’t done jack shot for the Seahawks and were very poor draft choices so far”

    Taylor has played how much? And we could have who instead that was much highly rated pre draft?
    Brooks has done what exactly?
    Collier is at least on the field sometimes but first rounder?

    The ONLY thing Pete has proven with these three is that he is GREAT at drafting players that are injury prone and he is a poor talent evaluator for about 5 years.

    Queen over Brooks was obvious but Pete thinks he’s smarter than everyone else is and keeps flunking 1st period.


    Baldwin, Sherman, Chancellor, Wilson, DK Metcalf, Wagner, Wright, there are more, but guys that if we listened to the experts would have never been given much of a chance to succeed or were deemed less then adequate for one reason or another. Taylor had a known injury issue, it was accepted by Pete and John and I am sure the expectations were long term not short, Brooks was contributing but got hurt. Blair, Amadi, Griffin brothers, all contributing and showing improvement.


    Collier is starting to show signs of getting it and Robinson is also getting flashes.


    Your argument is as empty as the Jets chances to win a Super Bowl.
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  • Yeah, sounding like a redshirt year for Taylor.

    Those with Queen Envy, I predict that by season's end you will have been won over by Jordyn Brooks, and agree he is a better fit for the Hawks. That is assuming he is back after the bye and barring further serious injury, of course.

    If Brooks consistently isn't in the lineup due to injuries, and Queen is, of course your view wins by default.

    Remember, Brian Bosworth won AFC Defensive Player of the Week as a rookie too. For similar reasons to Queen's win.
    Bosworth's might have been better; he ripped a fumble from a Chicago Bears RB and returned it for a TD. An outright violent mugging, right there on TV. It was awesome. Seattle won that game, IN CHICAGO.

    Not intending to diss Queen at all. He'll be a good pro. I sincerely believe Brooks will be a better and longer-lasting NFL player. Like a KJ Wright with SPEED. Wait, we already have one of those, named Bobby Wagner. Or am I backwards and it's really KJ is a slow Bobby Wagner? Who cares, they're both awesome! And Brooks will be too.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Collier is starting to show signs of getting it and Robinson is also getting flashes..


    Yes Collier is playing better this year than last, but that's not saying much considering he spent the last half of the season on the inactive list as a healthy scratch.

    He's still nowhere near the every down effective player we need him to be, especially as a 1st round pick. All he's doing now is proving he indeed was the reach most draft experts said he was.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Collier is starting to show signs of getting it and Robinson is also getting flashes..


    Yes Collier is playing better this year than last, but that's not saying much considering he spent the last half of the season on the inactive list as a healthy scratch.

    He's still nowhere near the every down effective player we need him to be, especially as a 1st round pick. All he's doing now is proving he indeed was the reach most draft experts said he was.


    they have "every down effective players in the front 7?

    I don't understand why people get hung up on a late first round pick and keep throwing out "1st Round Pick" as if our pick was in the top 15.

    And sure, you can always say after the draft, 5 games in to the season "We should have drafted Player A instead of Player B!"

    No team hits every draft pick, and every team picks players every year that don't play up to their "perceived" round/talent.
    But trying to place a "talent value" on a player picked after the 15th or 20th pick of the draft is a fool's errand. People get upset if Seattle doesn't pick a "known" player, e.g. one that Mel Kiper and Todd McShay talked up. As if those guys know anything.

    I like watching them, and they do put in a lot of time studying draft picks, but the don't have scouts out there learning about the character of a player, and they don't have the experience coaching or playing that it takes to evaluate players.

    Even so, the most expert drafters make mistakes, because these are human beings they're drafting.

    AND. a rookie's success depends directly on his health, and how good his team is. Look at some of the early 1st round picks that go to a crappy team and bust out.

    The ONLY team I've ever seen that drafts consistently well is the Ravens. And now that Ozzy's gone, it will be interesting to see how they go. But remember when they paid Joe Flacco a king's ransom? Where's that guy now?


    Dave Wyman said it best, "Hindsight is 50/50." Meaning after game 5, you can look back and say "We should have taken Queen!" But let the season play out and see if you're still saying that.


    And Mike Salk made a silly statement. I forget what team he was talking about, the Titans I think. And he said "I'd take their 53 players over ours and put Russell Wilson on that team!" As if the other team was making better decisions that the Seahawks.

    Okay Salk, but you have to take the years of losing too. Along with Marcus Mariota.
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:Should re title this thread to “Let’s Talk about players who haven’t done jack shot for the Seahawks and were very poor draft choices so far”

    Taylor has played how much? And we could have who instead that was much highly rated pre draft?
    Brooks has done what exactly?
    Collier is at least on the field sometimes but first rounder?

    The ONLY thing Pete has proven with these three is that he is GREAT at drafting players that are injury prone and he is a poor talent evaluator for about 5 years.

    Queen over Brooks was obvious but Pete thinks he’s smarter than everyone else is and keeps flunking 1st period.


    Absolute and total bollocks.

    Let's start with how you seem to assume first rounders are all the same. They're not. Picking late in the first, you have about a coin flip chance of landing an average starter. To expect anything more than an average starter from the late first round is a recipe to be perpetually disappointed. That's just not how it works.

    It is 5 GAMES into Brooks and Taylors rookie seasons. Both are currently injured. INJURIES HAPPEN. THEY ARE PART OF THE GAME OF FOOTBALL. Taylor's injury was known about, sure, but ya know what? Setbacks happen sometimes, too. You have not even seen the guy play yet - and if he's a solid rusher from that draft slot, guess what? Worth it.

    Now, moving on to your Collier jab, that right there is really the tell-tale sign that you're not thinking about this very logically. LJ Collier was injured, and is now healthy and playing... yep, like an average starter. In his first real action. I don't know how you could possibly look at LJ Collier's play right now and say it isn't befitting of a late first round pick's first real action in the league. Him blowing up the Cam Newton draw with Lano was big enough.

    As for the Queen over Brooks part, I'd absolutely LOVE for you to tell me why you think Queen would be starting on this defense right now. Prior to his game last week, he was graded horrendously. In the 20s, per PFF. He's up to 39.5 now, still absolutely awful. No doubt, since 5 weeks is enough time to make a determination, you'd be complaining about Queen too had Seattle picked him. But hey, none of that matters right? Name recognition and play time are apparently the only way to determine the best players. Scheme fit and circumstance be damned.

    Just all-around nonsense.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    Absolute and total bollocks.

    Let's start with how you seem to assume first rounders are all the same. They're not. Picking late in the first, you have about a coin flip chance of landing an average starter. To expect anything more than an average starter from the late first round is a recipe to be perpetually disappointed. That's just not how it works.

    It is 5 GAMES into Brooks and Taylors rookie seasons. Both are currently injured. INJURIES HAPPEN. THEY ARE PART OF THE GAME OF FOOTBALL. Taylor's injury was known about, sure, but ya know what? Setbacks happen sometimes, too. You have not even seen the guy play yet - and if he's a solid rusher from that draft slot, guess what? Worth it.

    Now, moving on to your Collier jab, that right there is really the tell-tale sign that you're not thinking about this very logically. LJ Collier was injured, and is now healthy and playing... yep, like an average starter. In his first real action. I don't know how you could possibly look at LJ Collier's play right now and say it isn't befitting of a late first round pick's first real action in the league. Him blowing up the Cam Newton draw with Lano was big enough.

    -snip of Patrick Queen stuff-

    Just all-around nonsense.


    Would you please stop making sense? All these accurate facts and cold logic are hurting my feelings. I really want all of our first rounders to be all-pros right away. Second rounders too. And it shouldn't matter if he's pick #2 or pick #32. A first rounder is a first rounder! After all, Pete and John pick them because they know they will be sure all-pros! Just because a first rounder isn't the first or second pick doesn't mean he's any less talented..
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Collier is starting to show signs of getting it and Robinson is also getting flashes..


    Yes Collier is playing better this year than last, but that's not saying much considering he spent the last half of the season on the inactive list as a healthy scratch.

    He's still nowhere near the every down effective player we need him to be, especially as a 1st round pick. All he's doing now is proving he indeed was the reach most draft experts said he was.


    He's the starting 5 tech in his first real action, and he's playing about as well as I'd ever expect a late first round 5 tech to play in his first real action.

    He had a rough break in his first year, dealt with a crappy advanced sprain that shot his whole preseason and had him likely at less than 100% throughout the year. Now he's 100% and playing pretty friggin' well. Certainly as well as anyone else on the line right now, and finally with an opportunity to continue to grow.

    I really don't get how people are so down on this guy.
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  • It's bye week. We must be saving the bright side outlook for when we're back to trying to win a game.
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  • We did get Frank Clark in the 2nd round, so there is that "Hit" on a draft pick. Of course, Clark didn't have college injury issues coming into camp. He only had PR injuries.

    If Darryl Taylor can be as big of a hit as Frank Clark was, it will be worth the wait.
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  • Appyhawk wrote:It's bye week. We must be saving the bright side outlook for when we're back to trying to win a game.


    Not sure about that with some posters. They cannot ever give positive props, just negative, even when we're winning.

    But I guess it's diversity that makes the world an interesting place.
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  • Pete mentioned that he thought COVID really set Taylor's recovery back, because the team couldn't get him into the facilities to see their medical staff to guide his recovery.
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  • His mother calls him Darrell.
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  • Hawkstorian wrote:His mother calls him Darrell.

    Thanks, I was wondering about the spelling but didn't actually look it up, like I presume you did.
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  • olyfan63 wrote:We did get Frank Clark in the 2nd round, so there is that "Hit" on a draft pick. Of course, Clark didn't have college injury issues coming into camp. He only had PR injuries.

    If Darryl Taylor can be as big of a hit as Frank Clark was, it will be worth the wait.


    Great player. Good pick. SIX drafts ago. Nobody is complaining about that draft or the ones before. Just every draft since then. Except for DK, who was a good choice, who do you have in the last five drafts?
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  • JayhawkMike wrote:
    olyfan63 wrote:We did get Frank Clark in the 2nd round, so there is that "Hit" on a draft pick. Of course, Clark didn't have college injury issues coming into camp. He only had PR injuries.

    If Darryl Taylor can be as big of a hit as Frank Clark was, it will be worth the wait.


    Great player. Good pick. SIX drafts ago. Nobody is complaining about that draft or the ones before. Just every draft since then. Except for DK, who was a good choice, who do you have in the last five drafts?


    Judging the 2020 draft based on 5 games is highly stupid, so I won't do that.

    2019, though, I'll post a quote from another thread.

    Maelstrom787 wrote:While I agree that the draft didn't immediately fill some pretty large roster holes, I'm not sure I can call it call it crappy.

    Collier is coming along in his first healthy action, Blair was really blossoming in his nickel role before his unfortunate injury, and DK Metcalf is going to be a star for years to come. Ugo Amadi is also playing very well. Homer is a decent third down back in our new look pass-centric offense, and BBK has been a decent special teamer. Cody Barton is a role player who has been improving, but his play has been ridiculously polarizing. Some are raving, some are very down. Personally, I think he's showing a lot of promise in coverage.

    To me, this draft is actually looking a lot better this year than it was last year.


    Do you honestly consider 2019 a failed draft? 1 year in, it's certainly trending up.
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  • I really like what I've seen of Dallas. Swain is contributing very well. And what about Neal? I don't remember how we acquired him but he is looking like Adams2. I have to admit our draft this year seems to have turned out very well, even without our first 2 picks.
    Never thought I would/could say that.
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  • The one thing I noticed about Carroll in his PC was that he was more vague than usual about the injuries and who is coming back when... usually he is vague but he was illusive.. Im not sure what that means if thats a positive thing or a negative thing...the one thing for sure is he is not saying, which could be an indication that more are coming back than we expect...

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  • Pete said Taylor was running hard and looking strong, but not doing change of direction yet. I would guess 4-6 weeks away, but it’s a guess.


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  • Taylor won't be playing this year unfortunately. Might as well just accept it and move on.
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  • iigakusei wrote:Taylor won't be playing this year unfortunately. Might as well just accept it and move on.


    I'm honestly hoping that he doesn't. Take the redshirt, follow the Collier path. If he's able, perhaps a small amount of snaps to give him a taste of NFL game speed to reflect on. We'll see what he's got when he's 100% with a full offseason under his belt.
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  • Maelstrom787 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Taylor won't be playing this year unfortunately. Might as well just accept it and move on.


    I'm honestly hoping that he doesn't. Take the redshirt, follow the Collier path. If he's able, perhaps a small amount of snaps to give him a taste of NFL game speed to reflect on. We'll see what he's got when he's 100% with a full offseason under his belt.


    NFL redshirt just means getting on the field no earlier than the 11th game. Need 6 games to accrue a season. Which would mean that he'd be a restricted free agent after his 4 year rookie contract expires. The 6 week timeframe is about right in that case.

    Would like to see him in action. Wasn't a huge fan of his during the draft process. So would like to see something more than what he put on college tape. Not really expecting that though since he's not had any benefit of this offseason activity.
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  • Attyla the Hawk wrote:
    Maelstrom787 wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Taylor won't be playing this year unfortunately. Might as well just accept it and move on.


    I'm honestly hoping that he doesn't. Take the redshirt, follow the Collier path. If he's able, perhaps a small amount of snaps to give him a taste of NFL game speed to reflect on. We'll see what he's got when he's 100% with a full offseason under his belt.


    NFL redshirt just means getting on the field no earlier than the 11th game. Need 6 games to accrue a season. Which would mean that he'd be a restricted free agent after his 4 year rookie contract expires. The 6 week timeframe is about right in that case.

    Would like to see him in action. Wasn't a huge fan of his during the draft process. So would like to see something more than what he put on college tape. Not really expecting that though since he's not had any benefit of this offseason activity.


    I'll be honest, I was unaware of the RFA implications and was speaking more as a figurative redshirt in that he's treated with an abundance of caution. Good to know.
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  • What's there to talk about? Just another dud 1st/2nd round pick by this FO.
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  • RCATES wrote:What's there to talk about? Just another dud 1st/2nd round pick by this FO.


    Okung, Thomas, Tate, Irvin, Wagner, Britt, Clark, Reed, Pocic, Metcalf?

    The draft is a crapshoot and unrealistic to expect immediate results. Some players shine early like Metcalf and Wagner, some take time to develop like Tate an Pocic.
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  • Basis4day wrote:
    RCATES wrote:What's there to talk about? Just another dud 1st/2nd round pick by this FO.


    Okung, Thomas, Tate, Irvin, Wagner, Britt, Clark, Reed, Pocic, Metcalf?

    The draft is a crapshoot and unrealistic to expect immediate results. Some players shine early like Metcalf and Wagner, some take time to develop like Tate an Pocic.


    Hell, even Collier is looking good for his first real action while healthy.
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  • I sometimes wonder if some people are actually Hawks fans, or just a Niners fan in disguise.
    When this team loses their first game, we know who will be right here to tell us all about it.
    Literally WANTING the team to fail so you can be "right" about it (in your mind)
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  • Based on some of his struggles this year this might be a bad example but the Cowboys got nothing out of Jalen Smith his first year taking a chance on an injured guy. Way too soon to write of a guy in his rookie year for coming into it injured imo.
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  • HawkRiderFan wrote:Based on some of his struggles this year this might be a bad example but the Cowboys got nothing out of Jalen Smith his first year taking a chance on an injured guy. Way too soon to write of a guy in his rookie year for coming into it injured imo.


    Yep. Plus, we got him a bit lower than Jaylon went. Taylor was flashing all year in Tennessee even playing through the injury. I'm very excited to see him at 100%, he's a promising prospect who plays like the twitchy edge rusher this defense is craving.

    It's unfortunate. I think he'd already be on the field (or at least much closer to game ready) if this were a normal season and his rehab was all in-house.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:I sometimes wonder if some people are actually Hawks fans, or just a Niners fan in disguise.
    When this team loses their first game, we know who will be right here to tell us all about it.
    Literally WANTING the team to fail so you can be "right" about it (in your mind)
    Super productive. :irishdrinkers:


    I doubt a Niners fan would care about another over-reach DE drafted in the top 2 rounds by Seattle that ended up being another Medical fiasco. He was hurt before they drafted him. Lol at so many unaware in here.
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  • Dear god man, change the record already. You sound like a whiney little 5 year old who had his ice cream taken away.
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  • RCATES wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Dear god man, change the record already. You sound like a whiney little 5 year old who had his ice cream taken away.



    God what I would do to meet you in person. Kick the $h!t out of you. Pussies like you that talk on the internet need a good reality check.


    The paragon of rationality, folks.

    This is why people treat you like a joke. Your viewpoint is so predictably illogical and negative that it's become farcical. Clearly, that same negativity is spilling out of you now.

    Grow up and show some decorum, dude. You just look sad right now.
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  • That's a deal breaker RCATES. It is assumed you read the riles for participation and membership on this board.
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  • Have a good night guys. I'm not here to start crap like this. Let alone be threatened over sports talk.
    It's just football talk. Go Hawks
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  • HawkRiderFan wrote:Based on some of his struggles this year this might be a bad example but the Cowboys got nothing out of Jalen Smith his first year taking a chance on an injured guy. Way too soon to write of a guy in his rookie year for coming into it injured imo.



    Saquon Barkley ???? How bout this guy? Has he really helped the Giants?
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