Sgt. Largent wrote:
chris98251 wrote:Collier is starting to show signs of getting it and Robinson is also getting flashes..
Yes Collier is playing better this year than last, but that's not saying much considering he spent the last half of the season on the inactive list as a healthy scratch.He's still nowhere near the every down effective player we need him to be, especially as a 1st round pick.
All he's doing now is proving he indeed was the reach most draft experts said he was.
they have "every down effective players in the front 7?
I don't understand why people get hung up on a late first round pick and keep throwing out "1st Round Pick" as if our pick was in the top 15.
And sure, you can always say after the draft, 5 games in to the season "We should have drafted Player A instead of Player B!"
No team hits every draft pick, and every team picks players every year that don't play up to their "perceived" round/talent.
But trying to place a "talent value" on a player picked after the 15th or 20th pick of the draft is a fool's errand. People get upset if Seattle doesn't pick a "known" player, e.g. one that Mel Kiper and Todd McShay talked up. As if those guys know anything.
I like watching them, and they do put in a lot of time studying draft picks, but the don't have scouts out there learning about the character of a player, and they don't have the experience coaching or playing that it takes to evaluate players.
Even so, the most expert drafters make mistakes, because these are human beings they're drafting.
AND. a rookie's success depends directly on his health, and how good his team is. Look at some of the early 1st round picks that go to a crappy team and bust out.
The ONLY team I've ever seen that drafts consistently well is the Ravens. And now that Ozzy's gone, it will be interesting to see how they go. But remember when they paid Joe Flacco a king's ransom? Where's that guy now?
Dave Wyman said it best, "Hindsight is 50/50." Meaning after game 5, you can look back and say "We should have taken Queen!" But let the season play out and see if you're still saying that.
And Mike Salk made a silly statement. I forget what team he was talking about, the Titans I think. And he said "I'd take their 53 players over ours and put Russell Wilson on that team!" As if the other team was making better decisions that the Seahawks.
Okay Salk, but you have to take the years of losing too. Along with Marcus Mariota.