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  • Curious what everyone’s thoughts and opinions are on this?
    Personally I think he deserves to be in the HOF eventually when you include his MVP season and a SB appearance. I know us fans got upset at his apparent lack of effort after he got paid, but I still feel he deserves the nod eventually.

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  • I'm not so sure.....
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  • No
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  • I would have liked to have seen the Beast Run behind Jones and Hutch.
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  • No.
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  • fenderbender123 wrote:No


    Seconded.

    Shaun Alexander and Emmitt Smith ran behind arguably the greatest olines in history. Emmitt Smith always ran hard. Shaun, not so much.
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  • Yes. He was a great back with great vision.

    He should not be punished for playing behind a great O line. He was a master at the cutback, rarely went down on first contact and led the team to our first Superbowl appearance.
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  • It's hard to imagine how much greater Beast Mode would have been behind our early and mid-2000s O-Line. I have little doubt he'd have put together at least one season in the discussion for greatest season by a RB ever.
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  • I think he deserves a spot. Guy was a monster RB. The most least respected Seahawk ever and its strange that people seem to forget how good he was.
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  • pittpnthrs wrote:I think he deserves a spot. Guy was a monster RB. The most least respected Seahawk ever and its strange that people seem to forget how good he was.

    I personally find it strange that plenty of fans can't acknowledge he was a soft runner except near the goal line. Not giving it your all every single down is not in the spirit of the Hall of Fame.
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  • Jerhawk wrote:Yes. He was a great back with great vision.

    He should not be punished for playing behind a great O line. He was a master at the cutback, rarely went down on first contact and led the team to our first Superbowl appearance.

    Plus, he had FIVE TD's in the first HALF OF A GAME (Vikings I believe)....It was almost an automatic for a TD anytime he got into the Red Zone...Nothing wrong with NOT taking UNNECCESARY hits.
    18 TD's in one Regular season.
    So YES.
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  • scutterhawk wrote:Nothing wrong with NOT taking UNNECCESARY hits.

    Not true for RBs. Come on.
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  • The case for Alexander is that he's #8 in all time rushing TDs. Everyone else on that list is in, or will be. I think because of that and because of his MVP, that yes, he should be in
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    Jerhawk wrote:Yes. He was a great back with great vision.

    He should not be punished for playing behind a great O line. He was a master at the cutback, rarely went down on first contact and led the team to our first Superbowl appearance.

    Plus, he had FIVE TD's in the first HALF OF A GAME (Vikings I believe)....It was almost an automatic for a TD anytime he got into the Red Zone...Nothing wrong with NOT taking UNNECCESARY hits.
    18 TD's in one Regular season.
    So YES.

    He actually got 27 TD’s in his MVP season along with 1880yrd and 5.1 yrds per carry. In 2004 he also got 1696yrd with 16TD’s and 4.8 yrds per carry. Also his durability his first 6 years was pretty damn good, I don’t think he missed a game. Talk about a workhorse back!!!
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  • Welshers wrote:The case for Alexander is that he's #8 in all time rushing TDs. Everyone else on that list is in, or will be. I think because of that and because of his MVP, that yes, he should be in

    Agreed! I think he’s gonna get in eventually, RB’s aren’t gonna keep stats like that up now days, he’ll stand out for sure.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:It's hard to imagine how much greater Beast Mode would have been behind our early and mid-2000s O-Line. I have little doubt he'd have put together at least one season in the discussion for greatest season by a RB ever.

    Yeah, I’ve often wondered that.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:I think he deserves a spot. Guy was a monster RB. The most least respected Seahawk ever and its strange that people seem to forget how good he was.

    I personally find it strange that plenty of fans can't acknowledge he was a soft runner except near the goal line. Not giving it your all every single down is not in the spirit of the Hall of Fame.

    I’m probably in the minority on this but I agree with this.
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  • Call him soft all you want but his 2001-2005 stats were amazing. Shaun had just about or over 300 carries per year and over 7,500 yards over that span with 87 TD’s with an MVP and SB appearance in that time. That’s a legendary 5 years right there, maybe Carson should take some hints from SA on how to stay healthy.
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  • I’m good with it. If the voters put him in, then he “deserves” it.
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  • I don't care about the HOF because it is way too political and subjective.

    But .... if you want to ask who the greatest RB is in Seahawk's history --- the answer is Shaun Freaking Alexander and there is no rational argument otherwise.
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  • The reasons SA was great are already in the HOF.

    If they open up spots for going down easily when your team needs a first down then he will be a shoe in.
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  • Remember that 2006 Monday Night game against Green Bay in the snow at Quest Field? Shaun had 40 carries for 201 yards on a broken foot. Beast mode.
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  • Ricky Watters more than Shaun.
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  • seabowl wrote:Ricky Watters more than Shaun.

    Lol!!!!!!
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    pittpnthrs wrote:I think he deserves a spot. Guy was a monster RB. The most least respected Seahawk ever and its strange that people seem to forget how good he was.

    I personally find it strange that plenty of fans can't acknowledge he was a soft runner except near the goal line. Not giving it your all every single down is not in the spirit of the Hall of Fame.


    Oh, so I guess every RB has to be in the Earl Campbell, Pete Johnson, Lynch mold to satisfy your expectations. Sheesh, Plenty of RBs in the HoF that didnt take big hits.
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  • Hawkstorian wrote:I don't care about the HOF because it is way too political and subjective.

    But .... if you want to ask who the greatest RB is in Seahawk's history --- the answer is Shaun Freaking Alexander and there is no rational argument otherwise.


    This
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  • Seriously? As Seahawks fans, we all remember how great he was clearly as day, but for non-Seahawks fans, they would just remember him in the few years where he shone, and shone brightly. But not HOF, brightly. There;s many RB's that shone for a couple years, and then disappeared into NFL lore just like Alexander.

    Just off the top of my head: Icke Woods, Christian Okoye, Larry Johnson, Mike Alstott...
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  • TypeSly wrote:Seriously? As Seahawks fans, we all remember how great he was clearly as day, but for non-Seahawks fans, they would just remember him in the few years where he shone, and shone brightly. But not HOF, brightly. There;s many RB's that shone for a couple years, and then disappeared into NFL lore just like Alexander.

    Just off the top of my head: Icke Woods, Christian Okoye, Larry Johnson, Mike Alstott...


    He was very consistent from 2001-2005.
    He put up record numbers.
    None of those others won league MVP
    Bo Jackson shone brightly for a short time too.

    Just my opinion. I grew up idolizong Shaun lol I'll always defend him.
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  • I can only imagine what Marshawn would have been able to accomplish running behind Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson.
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  • Looking at the RBs in the HOF, I’d say no. Surprisingly (at least to me) how many were not in the HOF.


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  • No, he did not block on passing downs, was not a receiving back in a WCO, ran soft a lot between the 20's. While he was hurt the last year maybe 2 he never showed to be much of a punishing runner for his size, he was not a guy you could really count on to get a short yardage first down, but could for a touchdown, that should tell you about his level of intensity.

    Give me Lynch, Watters, Warner, Doornink, as guys you could count on for maximum effort every down and more complete backs.
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  • chris98251 wrote:No, he did not block on passing downs, was not a receiving back in a WCO, ran soft a lot between the 20's. While he was hurt the last year maybe 2 he never showed to be much of a punishing runner for his size, he was not a guy you could really count on to get a short yardage first down, but could for a touchdown, that should tell you about his level of intensity.

    Give me Lynch, Watters, Warner, Doornink, as guys you could count on for maximum effort every down and more complete backs.


    One of these players is Shaun and the other is Marshawn.

    Player A converted 232 out of 422 career short yardage attempts. 55% conversion rate (1-3yds)
    Player B converted 228 out of 362 career short yardage attempts. 63% conversion rate

    Player A averaged 4.57 yards between the 20's
    Player B averaged 4.53 yards between the 20's
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  • I don't know. Is it the Hall of Fame? Or the Hall of Stats?
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  • Shaun just may be the most divisive player between 12's in franchise history. On one side, you have the stats. The MVP. The vision, the nose for the endzone like few others. On the other side, you have the perceived notion of him being "soft", running out of bounds instead of trying to pound forward for extra yards. Trying to self preserve over toughness.

    It's that dichotomy I believe that stretches beyond the fanbase that will ultimately keep him from Canton.
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  • JGreen79 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:No, he did not block on passing downs, was not a receiving back in a WCO, ran soft a lot between the 20's. While he was hurt the last year maybe 2 he never showed to be much of a punishing runner for his size, he was not a guy you could really count on to get a short yardage first down, but could for a touchdown, that should tell you about his level of intensity.

    Give me Lynch, Watters, Warner, Doornink, as guys you could count on for maximum effort every down and more complete backs.


    One of these players is Shaun and the other is Marshawn.

    Player A converted 232 out of 422 career short yardage attempts. 55% conversion rate (1-3yds)
    Player B converted 228 out of 362 career short yardage attempts. 63% conversion rate

    Player A averaged 4.57 yards between the 20's
    Player B averaged 4.53 yards between the 20's



    One had a Hall of Fame O line and the other one of the worst in the league yet still made that impact on short yardage, if you had a Mack String and a Hall of fame O line I would think you should be in the 75 to 80 percentile, again makes the Argument of not intense between the 20's.
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  • He broke the single season TD record and won an MVP. It's not like it was a one year wonder either, he had many good and great seasons.

    He deserves a spot in my opinion.

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  • Eighty wrote:He broke the single season TD record and won an MVP. It's not like it was a one year wonder either, he had many good and great seasons.

    He deserves a spot in my opinion.

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    I agree with this. Winning mvp as a running back is very rare. Since 2001, Alexander, LT and AP are the only RBs to win mvp. The other two will be in the hall undoubtedly. Alexander is also 8th all time rushing TDs. Everyone else who has gotten over 100 has or will get in. He is clearly a polarizing guy for seahawk fans, but he deserves a spot in my opinion. They've let inferior players in
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  • Welshers wrote:
    Eighty wrote:He broke the single season TD record and won an MVP. It's not like it was a one year wonder either, he had many good and great seasons.

    He deserves a spot in my opinion.

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    I agree with this. Winning mvp as a running back is very rare. Since 2001, Alexander, LT and AP are the only RBs to win mvp. The other two will be in the hall undoubtedly. Alexander is also 8th all time rushing TDs. Everyone else who has gotten over 100 has or will get in. He is clearly a polarizing guy for seahawk fans, but he deserves a spot in my opinion. They've let inferior players in


    To add to this, if they let in either of the following backs into the HOF, then Shaun Alexander deserves to be along side them. In fact, we should be rooting for these guys to get it because that would mean Shaun has a shot:

    Priest Holmes
    Edgerrin James (this one is key)

    Ladainian Tomlinson got in 2017. He broke Shauns single season TD record the following season, which overshadowed how great Shauns 2005 year was. I doubt LTs single season TD record will ever be broken or touched, even with a 17 game schedule. This may sound petty, but if it wasn't for his 2006 season, Shaun would've been that single season record holder for the rest of time.

    I just don't understand why so many Hawks fans stick their nose up at Shaun Alexander. Is it because of how his career came to a screeching halt due to injuries afrer he finally got the big contract extension? Is it because of his "stabbed in the back" comments after the Falcons game at the end of 2004? Is it because he got the luxary of playing behind Hutch and Walt for most his career? The first two I get and those rubbed me the wrong way too, even as a youngster who idolized Shaun. The last one, like I mentioned earlier, we shouldn't be holding that against him. But it's the argument most commonly used against him. Some people regard Emitt Smith at the best RB of all time and he had an amazing O line as well, and a plethora of weapons around him. Shaun didn't have an amazing offense around him. The best receiver we had on the team during that time was Bobby Engram, Darrell Jackson or Koren Robinson, whoever felt like showing up to catch passes from Hasslebeck or Trent Dilfer.

    Having a great O line and Big Walt/Hutch clearing the way obviously helped. There's no debating that. I would argue that not just Shauns career, but Holmgrens success ended after the Hutchinson poison pill incident with Minnesota. That one mistake sunk this franchise for the next 6 years. But give the man some respect. He found the opening, and he used his elite vision to hit the hole. And he had breakaway speed too. Look at TD #13 around the 2:00 mark against AZ.

    *tears* stop picking on Shaun! Leave Shaun alone! He was the best player we had between Largent and Wilson. I love you Shaun!! I still have Madden 07!

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  • Does Shaun Alexander deserve to be in the HOF? Based on his stats and the fact that for about 5 years he was one of if not the best RB in the league. I don’t even want to hear about any argument that he was soft and would run out of bounds to avoid a hit. There is another Seahawks RB who also had a penchant for running out of bounds to avoid any unnecessary hits. He also finished his career with a whimper on a different team. This RB is in the HOF. I’ll get back to him later.

    I’m not sure why a Seahawks fan wouldn’t want to see a Seahawks player inducted into the HOF. If Paul John’s got inducted, I’d applaud based on the simple fact that he’s a Seahawk.

    Comparing Shauns o-line with MarShawns o-line is fun but MarShawns o-line was not bad. I’d take them in a heartbeat over what the last 2-3 years showed. Okung, Unger, Sweezy, and friends.

    How many more yards could 37 have accumulated over the course of his career if he had fought for a few extra instead of avoiding the hit? 100 yards? 200 yards? Over the course of his career it would have been negligible. It could have given him maybe 5 extra yards in any given game or it could have ended his career prematurely. We will never know. What we do know is that he was a top RB that was a big part of leading his team to a Super Bowl. This was a top RB in the league not in Pete’s run first philosophy but in Mile Holmgrens pass WCO philosophy.

    Does Shaun belong in the HOF? Yes. BTW, that other RB with a similar reputation...Franco Harris.
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  • Those who say that SA shouldn't be in the HOF, do you believe Chris Johnson should be in it?

    Their stats are nearly identical. I wouldn't say Johnson was a "tough runner" either. Johnson played more seasons that SA but has near equal career stats to him.

    SA career stats - https://www.nfl.com/players/shaun-alexander/stats/career
    CJ career stats - https://www.nfl.com/players/chris-johnson/stats/career

    Next, SA racked up a 1000+ yards from 2000-2006. How is it he was terrible between the 20s? Please explain. I saw him take a 88 yard TD to the house against the Cards. Seems like he did fine between 20s then. He had 17 runs in his career of 40+ yards. Just because he didn't run through people like a Lynch doesn't mean he wasn't effective between 20s. He was tremendously productive back.
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  • JGreen79 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:No, he did not block on passing downs, was not a receiving back in a WCO, ran soft a lot between the 20's. While he was hurt the last year maybe 2 he never showed to be much of a punishing runner for his size, he was not a guy you could really count on to get a short yardage first down, but could for a touchdown, that should tell you about his level of intensity.

    Give me Lynch, Watters, Warner, Doornink, as guys you could count on for maximum effort every down and more complete backs.


    One of these players is Shaun and the other is Marshawn.

    Player A converted 232 out of 422 career short yardage attempts. 55% conversion rate (1-3yds)
    Player B converted 228 out of 362 career short yardage attempts. 63% conversion rate

    Player A averaged 4.57 yards between the 20's
    Player B averaged 4.53 yards between the 20's

    One of those players also had a much better offensive line for many years. You just like ignoring that and comparing raw stats blindly, obviously...a very poor way to judge anything.
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  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    JGreen79 wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:No, he did not block on passing downs, was not a receiving back in a WCO, ran soft a lot between the 20's. While he was hurt the last year maybe 2 he never showed to be much of a punishing runner for his size, he was not a guy you could really count on to get a short yardage first down, but could for a touchdown, that should tell you about his level of intensity.

    Give me Lynch, Watters, Warner, Doornink, as guys you could count on for maximum effort every down and more complete backs.


    One of these players is Shaun and the other is Marshawn.

    Player A converted 232 out of 422 career short yardage attempts. 55% conversion rate (1-3yds)
    Player B converted 228 out of 362 career short yardage attempts. 63% conversion rate

    Player A averaged 4.57 yards between the 20's
    Player B averaged 4.53 yards between the 20's

    One of those players also had a much better offensive line for many years. You just like ignoring that and comparing raw stats blindly, obviously...a very poor way to judge anything.


    One player had a great left side, but in no way was that OL one of the best in NFL history like some suggest. Even look at 13, Unger was much better than Tobek. Grey and Locklear, average starters and would be interchangeable with McQuistan and Carpenter. And Alexander still had over half his TDs to the right side. His OL was certainly NOT anywhere near what Emmitt Smith had in the 90s.
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  • Hall of "Fame". Alexander doesn't have the fame. He didn't win a Super Bowl. His highlight reel is boring. He leaned on a HOF caliber offensive line during the only years he put up good numbers. He doesn't have the longetivity argument. He just....doesn't qualify. Because it's the hall of fame and not the hall of technically good running backs.
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  • CPHawk wrote:
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    chris98251 wrote:No, he did not block on passing downs, was not a receiving back in a WCO, ran soft a lot between the 20's. While he was hurt the last year maybe 2 he never showed to be much of a punishing runner for his size, he was not a guy you could really count on to get a short yardage first down, but could for a touchdown, that should tell you about his level of intensity.

    Give me Lynch, Watters, Warner, Doornink, as guys you could count on for maximum effort every down and more complete backs.


    One of these players is Shaun and the other is Marshawn.

    Player A converted 232 out of 422 career short yardage attempts. 55% conversion rate (1-3yds)
    Player B converted 228 out of 362 career short yardage attempts. 63% conversion rate

    Player A averaged 4.57 yards between the 20's
    Player B averaged 4.53 yards between the 20's

    One of those players also had a much better offensive line for many years. You just like ignoring that and comparing raw stats blindly, obviously...a very poor way to judge anything.


    One player had a great left side, but in no way was that OL one of the best in NFL history like some suggest. Even look at 13, Unger was much better than Tobek. Grey and Locklear, average starters and would be interchangeable with McQuistan and Carpenter. And Alexander still had over half his TDs to the right side. His OL was certainly NOT anywhere near what Emmitt Smith had in the 90s.

    Agreed CP, so weird how many Hawks fans hate on him still to this day. Film doesn’t lie and he was very special for those 5 years everywhere on the field, I wish we had a prime Shaun Alexander right now!!!
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  • fenderbender123 wrote:Hall of "Fame". Alexander doesn't have the fame. He didn't win a Super Bowl. His highlight reel is boring. He leaned on a HOF caliber offensive line during the only years he put up good numbers. He doesn't have the longetivity argument. He just....doesn't qualify. Because it's the hall of fame and not the hall of technically good running backs.

    Exaggerating a bit much, “HOF caliber offensive line” lol you mean two HOFers, as stated before the others weren’t anywhere near HOF caliber
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  • Remember his 5 touch down game? Those were the days, running behind #38 Mac Strong.





    Another epic game was the one in the snow vs GB, where he ran for over 200 yards.
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  • Yes...
    I have always been a huge SA fan, the dude gave us some great years. The label of soft has always bothered me, as pointed out above the man toted the rock in quantities we many never see again. In the 2006 season where he lost Hutch and suffered the Madden curse with a broken foot he came back and ran the ball 40 times for 200+ Vs GB. I don’t think a soft person plays football as much or as long as he did. In HS he ran for 6645 and 110 td in three varsity seasons he held most records at Alabama when he left and made a huge mark in his NFL career.....soft people don’t accomplish all that.

    Just look at some of his NFL achievements

    9 straight 100yd game vs divisional opponents- breaking the record set by Walter Payton
    1st NFL back to have 5 consecutive seasons with 15 td
    19 rushing td in just 10 games 2005- breaking a record held since 1945

    My personal favorite
    Broke Barry Sanders record for most consecutive games breaking a 10 yard run...31 games

    Even though he wasn’t your typical pass catching RB he did have 3 season over 40 catches with a high of 59.

    His final year with the Hawks he fractured his wrist sprained both knees and lost Mack as his lead blocker....and people called him soft.

    There is plenty more that could be added but I will leave with this.....he left the Hawks as the greatest RB to ever play for them. Only MVP, first SB and many records he should be a legend here.
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  • IMO, yes. You had me at single season TD record.
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  • PNW wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:Hall of "Fame". Alexander doesn't have the fame. He didn't win a Super Bowl. His highlight reel is boring. He leaned on a HOF caliber offensive line during the only years he put up good numbers. He doesn't have the longetivity argument. He just....doesn't qualify. Because it's the hall of fame and not the hall of technically good running backs.

    Exaggerating a bit much, “HOF caliber offensive line” lol you mean two HOFers, as stated before the others weren’t anywhere near HOF caliber


    Of all the offensive line lineups, it's one of the best of all time. That's what I mean by HOF caliber offensive line. It doesn't mean every player is hof caliber.
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