Welshers wrote:Remind me everyone saying yes, which one of those two coaches won the Super Bowl and which ones team scored only 3 points in the sb

Remind me which one has Wilson and which one had Goff?

What is the Seahawks record over the last 3 seasons if Goff is the QB instead of Wilson?
McVay wins playoff games and goes to a Superbowl with Goff. Pete would be playing for the #1 pick if Goff was his QB.

McVay's coaching staff gets promoted and takes bigger jobs. Pete's staff hopes to remain employed.

Pete is currently #3 in the Division. If he fixes some things, and Shanny has another losing season I'd be willing to bump Pete up to #2.

McVay is top ranked because of his ability to fix things. His defense had a down season? He fixes it, hires a new DC, they become the #1 Defense in the NFL. The O-Line has a single down year? He fixes it, and they go back to being top 5. Jared Goff isn't getting it done? He trades him, and gets a new QB. He also is right there with Belichick when it comes to gameplanning, clock management, and the tough decisions that need to be made on game days, that Pete stumbles around on, calling unnecessary timeouts, and taking delay of game penalties.

Shanny is a brilliant playcaller. Probably the best, but right now I question his ability to run a team. At times Saleh felt like the head coach. All the young coaches in the league are coming from the Shanny tree, though. Shanny needs a QB and those questions would go away I suppose. Shanny is also doing it with sub-optimal QB play.

Pete seemingly has the same problems every off-season and they never get fixed. Just keep doing the same things, believe in the philosophy. Hiring Shane Waldron can at least give hope that maybe this time it will be different.

-- Feel free to speak for yourself, and not for ALL Seahawk fans. When the vaunted McVay can score more than 3 points in a Super Bowl, call me. He can't even spell defense, and that is the one element that has made the Rams a contender each of the last few years.

-- I will not pretend to be Carroll's biggest fan, as there are definitely things I would do differently, and my positional priorities would be slightly different. But this leg humping on McVay is just a joke, and sounds like the whimpers of knee jerk fans. Oh, and the smell of fear reeks in this forum since the Rams got a QB.

-- Come on kids, toughen up.

Mase

Perception is such an interesting thing.

Some perspective on McVay's playoff record with the QB he was "saddled with", Rex Ryan won more playoff games with Mark Sanchez than McVay had with Goff. Goff is much better than Sanchez. The defenses are very similar in talent level and effectiveness. Quality of wins also matter here since it seems that the QB is the determining factor for many of you. Sanchez beat future hall of famers, Rivers, Manning and Brady while Goff "beat" Brees when one of the most egregious non-calls in NFL history happened because the NFL wanted the Rams in the Super Bowl and Wilson.

The perception is that McVay makes moves to fix their problems, while apparently Carroll does not. However, we make trades in season and the off season to improve the team. When the defense was not playing well we added the 46 defense to the playbook. The offensive line is a problem and will continue to be until Wilson starts taking the check downs.

All that said, Carroll has been figured out. It happens to every coach. Replacing him is the best move forward. People are clamoring for the flavor of the couple of seasons before a system gets figured out. That is what McVay has right now, but as he loses more and more coaches, his system will be figured out as well. That is the nature of the NFL. The funny thing is that so many people do not see the connections to the old systems and the variations that are now "new." Heck, it is about time that the old Moon version of the run and shoot makes a comeback. My hope is that Waldron has the next system that takes three or four seasons to figure out and that we can make him the next head coach.

MO Hawk wrote:

Flyingsquad23 wrote:So you guys want the guy that game planned his way to 3 points in the SB.

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Lulz

At least he's made it to the Superbowl lately which is more than can be said for Pete

NcVay's 3 points impresses y'all? LOLOLOLOLOLOL SERIOUSLY??, BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHHA!!!!

scutterhawk wrote:

MO Hawk wrote:

Flyingsquad23 wrote:So you guys want the guy that game planned his way to 3 points in the SB.

3

Lulz

At least he's made it to the Superbowl lately which is more than can be said for Pete

NcVay's 3 points impresses y'all? LOLOLOLOLOLOL SERIOUSLY??, BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHHA!!!!

More than getting beat in the 1st round of the playoffs by a QB playing with 4 fingers.

Well he has only 5 coaches left on his staff from last season now.

Coaching chemistry is important as player team chemistry, the Coaching staff has to understand and see the vision, they also have to be able to teach and put players in situations where they can succeed and have that translate to the field on game day.

We seen the difference when Richard became DC and we had a different Secondary coach, we seen the difference in OC and DC as well as LB coaches.

With all the changes in Ram Land will the chemistry work with a influx of people new to the organization teaching new stuff they are learning on the fly as well?

I think they step back.

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

MO Hawk wrote:

Flyingsquad23 wrote:So you guys want the guy that game planned his way to 3 points in the SB.

3

Lulz

At least he's made it to the Superbowl lately which is more than can be said for Pete

NcVay's 3 points impresses y'all? LOLOLOLOLOLOL SERIOUSLY??, BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHHA!!!!

More than getting beat in the 1st round of the playoffs by a QB playing with 4 fingers.

Meh...To each his own; Loyalty To Me ties directly to the same gig as the "Where Does Your Allegiance Lie" thread, that goes for Team, Players and COACHES of the Seahawks, and McVay ain't no part of the Seahawks, and I doubt like hell he ever will be.
It was Pete Carroll that got us our FIRST EVER LOMBARDI, NOT McVay.

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

MO Hawk wrote:
At least he's made it to the Superbowl lately which is more than can be said for Pete

NcVay's 3 points impresses y'all? LOLOLOLOLOLOL SERIOUSLY??, BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHHA!!!!

More than getting beat in the 1st round of the playoffs by a QB playing with 4 fingers.

Meh...To each his own; Loyalty To Me ties directly to the same gig as the "Where Does Your Allegiance Lie" thread, that goes for Team, Players and COACHES of the Seahawks, and McVay ain't no part of the Seahawks, and I doubt like hell he ever will be.
It was Pete Carroll that got us our FIRST EVER LOMBARDI, NOT McVay.

The Hawks just hired two of McVays brain trusts. Even Seattles front office must think pretty highly of him.

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:
NcVay's 3 points impresses y'all? LOLOLOLOLOLOL SERIOUSLY??, BWAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHHHA!!!!

More than getting beat in the 1st round of the playoffs by a QB playing with 4 fingers.

Meh...To each his own; Loyalty To Me ties directly to the same gig as the "Where Does Your Allegiance Lie" thread, that goes for Team, Players and COACHES of the Seahawks, and McVay ain't no part of the Seahawks, and I doubt like hell he ever will be.
It was Pete Carroll that got us our FIRST EVER LOMBARDI, NOT McVay.

The Hawks just hired two of McVays brain trusts. Even Seattles front office must think pretty highly of him.

You still can't dismiss the fact that Pete has already gotten us the Lombardi, and he did it as a SEAHAWKS COACH.
AND, by Pete firing Cable, & hiring Solari, sending Bevell down the road kicking horse turds, canning Schotts & going after Waldren PROVES that he recognized that changes were needed to be made, just like when all his Coaching staff were hired by different teams all over the League after he took the Seahawks to TWO Super Bowls in a row, that is the way of the League.
One thing is for certain, once a system is used for too long, changes need to be made, ALL Coaches know this, thus, a Constant Rotation throughout the League, until everything old (with tweaking) is new again.
Hell, I even heard that Bill Billycheat was a Coach for the Browns, eh?

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:
More than getting beat in the 1st round of the playoffs by a QB playing with 4 fingers.

Meh...To each his own; Loyalty To Me ties directly to the same gig as the "Where Does Your Allegiance Lie" thread, that goes for Team, Players and COACHES of the Seahawks, and McVay ain't no part of the Seahawks, and I doubt like hell he ever will be.
It was Pete Carroll that got us our FIRST EVER LOMBARDI, NOT McVay.

The Hawks just hired two of McVays brain trusts. Even Seattles front office must think pretty highly of him.

You still can't dismiss the fact that Pete has already gotten us the Lombardi, and he did it as a SEAHAWKS COACH.
AND, by Pete firing Cable, & hiring Solari, sending Bevell down the road kicking horse turds, canning Schotts & going after Waldren PROVES that he recognized that changes were needed to be made, just like when all his Coaching staff were hired by different teams all over the League after he took the Seahawks to TWO Super Bowls in a row, that is the way of the League.
One thing is for certain, once a system is used for too long, changes need to be made, ALL Coaches know this, thus, a Constant Rotation throughout the League, until everything old (with tweaking) is new again.
Hell, I even heard that Bill Billycheat was a Coach for the Browns, eh?

What does past accomplishments have to do with todays issues? By living in the past, you cant move forward. The firing of Cable and Bevell was two years to late. Pete lost the locker room by not firing them sooner.

As for the Carroll versus McVay debate goes, all one needs to do is look at last seasons playoff game between the Seahawks and the Rams to get your answer. You had one coach that game planned and schemed for their team that had a backup QB and a starter with 4 fingers, and then you had a coach that used the same game plan the other team just saw a couple weeks earlier with no variations and was dumbfounded and clueless as to how and why they lost afterwards. Its really a no brainer.

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:
Meh...To each his own; Loyalty To Me ties directly to the same gig as the "Where Does Your Allegiance Lie" thread, that goes for Team, Players and COACHES of the Seahawks, and McVay ain't no part of the Seahawks, and I doubt like hell he ever will be.
It was Pete Carroll that got us our FIRST EVER LOMBARDI, NOT McVay.

The Hawks just hired two of McVays brain trusts. Even Seattles front office must think pretty highly of him.

You still can't dismiss the fact that Pete has already gotten us the Lombardi, and he did it as a SEAHAWKS COACH.
AND, by Pete firing Cable, & hiring Solari, sending Bevell down the road kicking horse turds, canning Schotts & going after Waldren PROVES that he recognized that changes were needed to be made, just like when all his Coaching staff were hired by different teams all over the League after he took the Seahawks to TWO Super Bowls in a row, that is the way of the League.
One thing is for certain, once a system is used for too long, changes need to be made, ALL Coaches know this, thus, a Constant Rotation throughout the League, until everything old (with tweaking) is new again.
Hell, I even heard that Bill Billycheat was a Coach for the Browns, eh?

What does past accomplishments have to do with todays issues? By living in the past, you cant move forward. The firing of Cable and Bevell was two years to late. Pete lost the locker room by not firing them sooner.

As for the Carroll versus McVay debate goes, all one needs to do is look at last seasons playoff game between the Seahawks and the Rams to get your answer. You had one coach that game planned and schemed for their team that had a backup QB and a starter with 4 fingers, and then you had a coach that used the same game plan the other team just saw a couple weeks earlier with no variations and was dumbfounded and clueless as to how and why they lost afterwards. Its really a no brainer.

It sis absolutely a "No Brainer"...TWO Super Bowls in two CONSECUTIVE seasons, WINNING while playing against the most prolific Quarterback in the League that year, 43 to > 8 < (garbage time points)...>>>PETE DID THAT<<<
The old saying, IF you learn nothing from history (yesterdays issues) you are bound to repeat it, MEANING, the Rams only managed >>3<< points in a Super Bowl game, and yes, they beat the Seahawks in that Playoff game, THEN GOT PROMPTLY BOUNCED in the VERY NEXT GAME...That's FOOTBALL.
Look, I get it, you're enamored with McVay, but I just can't get into the slobbering all over a NON-SEAHAWK, especially one who hasn't had the end of the day success that SEAHAWKS HC Pete Carroll has had .
Oh and, the "Four Fingers" gig is getting pretty silly.

McVay is a good coach, but he's overrated. Some people forget that he has arguably the best defensive player of the last 3 decades. Remove Aaron Donald, and that team probably misses the playoffs in all but one season. Seriously, does anyone think if Pete had McVay's talent on defense, he'd finished in the bottom 15 in 3 out of 4 seasons?

On paper, Pete has shown he can do more with less talent on defense, while McVay has shown he can coach an elite offense without an elite QB. This season should be a pretty good indicator of the two coaches' abilities. Both have Elite QBs, both are running the same offense, Seattle has the more talented offense, and the Rams have a more talented defense.

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:
The Hawks just hired two of McVays brain trusts. Even Seattles front office must think pretty highly of him.

You still can't dismiss the fact that Pete has already gotten us the Lombardi, and he did it as a SEAHAWKS COACH.
AND, by Pete firing Cable, & hiring Solari, sending Bevell down the road kicking horse turds, canning Schotts & going after Waldren PROVES that he recognized that changes were needed to be made, just like when all his Coaching staff were hired by different teams all over the League after he took the Seahawks to TWO Super Bowls in a row, that is the way of the League.
One thing is for certain, once a system is used for too long, changes need to be made, ALL Coaches know this, thus, a Constant Rotation throughout the League, until everything old (with tweaking) is new again.
Hell, I even heard that Bill Billycheat was a Coach for the Browns, eh?

What does past accomplishments have to do with todays issues? By living in the past, you cant move forward. The firing of Cable and Bevell was two years to late. Pete lost the locker room by not firing them sooner.

As for the Carroll versus McVay debate goes, all one needs to do is look at last seasons playoff game between the Seahawks and the Rams to get your answer. You had one coach that game planned and schemed for their team that had a backup QB and a starter with 4 fingers, and then you had a coach that used the same game plan the other team just saw a couple weeks earlier with no variations and was dumbfounded and clueless as to how and why they lost afterwards. Its really a no brainer.

It sis absolutely a "No Brainer"...TWO Super Bowls in two CONSECUTIVE seasons, WINNING while playing against the most prolific Quarterback in the League that year, 43 to > 8 < (garbage time points)...>>>PETE DID THAT<<<
The old saying, IF you learn nothing from history (yesterdays issues) you are bound to repeat it, MEANING, the Rams only managed >>3<< points in a Super Bowl game, and yes, they beat the Seahawks in that Playoff game, THEN GOT PROMPTLY BOUNCED in the VERY NEXT GAME...That's FOOTBALL.
Look, I get it, you're enamored with McVay, but I just can't get into the slobbering all over a NON-SEAHAWK, especially one who hasn't had the end of the day success that SEAHAWKS HC Pete Carroll has had .
Oh and, the "Four Fingers" gig is getting pretty silly.

I get it. Your a Seahawk fan and that wont let you see the obvious. A coach to me is all about the X;s and O's and McVay has that in spades. I cant even imagine how good the Rams would be with a good QB.

Yeah, the Rams got bounced in the next round of the playoffs, but they did Seattle a favor. The Hawks would have gotten throttled.

Why is the four fingers gig silly to you? Was his thumb not broken? Was he not hurt bad enough that he was on the bench in favor of the backup QB? Regardless of how you feel, the loss to the Rams in the playoffs was embarrassing.

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:

pittpnthrs wrote:

scutterhawk wrote:You still can't dismiss the fact that Pete has already gotten us the Lombardi, and he did it as a SEAHAWKS COACH.
AND, by Pete firing Cable, & hiring Solari, sending Bevell down the road kicking horse turds, canning Schotts & going after Waldren PROVES that he recognized that changes were needed to be made, just like when all his Coaching staff were hired by different teams all over the League after he took the Seahawks to TWO Super Bowls in a row, that is the way of the League.
One thing is for certain, once a system is used for too long, changes need to be made, ALL Coaches know this, thus, a Constant Rotation throughout the League, until everything old (with tweaking) is new again.
Hell, I even heard that Bill Billycheat was a Coach for the Browns, eh?

What does past accomplishments have to do with todays issues? By living in the past, you cant move forward. The firing of Cable and Bevell was two years to late. Pete lost the locker room by not firing them sooner.

As for the Carroll versus McVay debate goes, all one needs to do is look at last seasons playoff game between the Seahawks and the Rams to get your answer. You had one coach that game planned and schemed for their team that had a backup QB and a starter with 4 fingers, and then you had a coach that used the same game plan the other team just saw a couple weeks earlier with no variations and was dumbfounded and clueless as to how and why they lost afterwards. Its really a no brainer.

It sis absolutely a "No Brainer"...TWO Super Bowls in two CONSECUTIVE seasons, WINNING while playing against the most prolific Quarterback in the League that year, 43 to > 8 < (garbage time points)...>>>PETE DID THAT<<<
The old saying, IF you learn nothing from history (yesterdays issues) you are bound to repeat it, MEANING, the Rams only managed >>3<< points in a Super Bowl game, and yes, they beat the Seahawks in that Playoff game, THEN GOT PROMPTLY BOUNCED in the VERY NEXT GAME...That's FOOTBALL.
Look, I get it, you're enamored with McVay, but I just can't get into the slobbering all over a NON-SEAHAWK, especially one who hasn't had the end of the day success that SEAHAWKS HC Pete Carroll has had .
Oh and, the "Four Fingers" gig is getting pretty silly.

I get it. Your a Seahawk fan and that wont let you see the obvious. A coach to me is all about the X;s and O's and McVay has that in spades. I cant even imagine how good the Rams would be with a good QB.

Yeah, the Rams got bounced in the next round of the playoffs, but they did Seattle a favor. The Hawks would have gotten throttled.

Why is the four fingers gig silly to you? Was his thumb not broken? Was he not hurt bad enough that he was on the bench in favor of the backup QB? Regardless of how you feel, the loss to the Rams in the playoffs was embarrassing.

For certain, I am a Seahawks Fan, and one thing IS "Obvious", I won't shirk nor nor will I ignore Pete's accomplishments.
X's & O's Two Super Bowls in a row, winning one 43 to 8, against the most prolific Quarterback that season, who was WITHOUT having a broken thumb, who was only able to put up EIGHT garbage time points, so, no matter how it's spun, them's pretty good X's & O's by PETE.
NOW, if McVay were the SEAHAWKS COACH, who brought home our first Lombardi EVER?, I'd be touting him, & singing his praises, but He didn't, and I ain't.

Naw...Pete Ball is good enough. Yanno what that is tho...run the ball and keep the possessions down to where you can win in the 4th quarter. So many people want this game to be college basketball.....we saw what that was like in Philly with that Coach from Oregon years ago. He GASSED his defense and never let them have the time to recover and play the game. He is gone now back I think to college.

Naw man..Pete ball is good enough to win Championships with the people that fit his system. They are hard to find now that everyone else is playing the same game. They copied, pasted and are producing.....just like that team that is high on a mile or is it a mile high? Remember that they got a defense and won because of it.

Some here make me want to go back to the Philippines when we had no internet and could not see or hear games back in the 80s. LMAO

The PC fog will be cleared up after next season when the niners are healthy and we are battling for 3rd place. I just hope we toss him then rather than wasting an additional 4 years regressing and then getting a new coach with a depleted program and suffering through the “miss PC narrative”

NJlargent wrote:The PC fog will be cleared up after next season when the niners are healthy and we are battling for 3rd place.”

Exactly

NJlargent wrote:The PC fog will be cleared up after next season when the niners are healthy and we are battling for 3rd place. I just hope we toss him then rather than wasting an additional 4 years regressing and then getting a new coach with a depleted program and suffering through the “miss PC narrative”

You mean like when the NFC WEST was the toughest in the nation?...Steel sharpening steel?, back when Pete coached the Seahawks through the fog, and came out the other side hoisting the Lombardi?
One thing is a given-->> CHANGE -->> It happens to the BEST of Coaches.
Some want CHANGE for CHANGE SAKE...Be careful what you wish for

Some could argue that the Lombardi came through the fog because of the LOB and Marshawn. PC might just happen to have been there for the ride. And perhaps he helped build that team, but his building skills have been rather suspect over the recent years.

I definitely appreciate the Lombardi trophy. However, it has collected some dust, and I do not want to be like Niners fans talking about Lombardi trophies that have aged.

NJlargent wrote:Some could argue that the Lombardi came through the fog because of the LOB and Marshawn. PC might just happen to have been there for the ride. And perhaps he helped build that team, but his building skills have been rather suspect over the recent years.

I definitely appreciate the Lombardi trophy. However, it has collected some dust, and I do not want to be like Niners fans talking about Lombardi trophies that have aged.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
End of the day though?, and all bu!!$IT aside, Pete get's THE CREDIT.....NOT McVay.