Waldron needs to go, he is the worst coach on the team

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It was a nice try a guess (although not worth the risk) but he is clearly in way way over his head. Norton is bad, but with Bevell or Schottenheimer this team would be better than 3-7.
 

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andyh64000":yyp2s0je said:
It was a nice try a guess (although not worth the risk) but he is clearly in way way over his head. Norton is bad, but with Bevell or Schottenheimer this team would be better than 3-7.


Are you sure? PC would still be the coach. This offense will never be more than what it is as long as PC is coach. Even before Wilson this is what it was.
 

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andyh64000":2u23f4vt said:
It was a nice try a guess (although not worth the risk) but he is clearly in way way over his head. Norton is bad, but with Bevell or Schottenheimer this team would be better than 3-7.

You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.
 
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kf3339":3tb8rt6y said:
andyh64000":3tb8rt6y said:
It was a nice try a guess (although not worth the risk) but he is clearly in way way over his head. Norton is bad, but with Bevell or Schottenheimer this team would be better than 3-7.

You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.

Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.
 

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It's clear that Waldron is in over his head.

He's the middle man between Wilson and Carroll. He is only here to call the plays Carroll approved, and is not capable of holding Wilson accountable.
 

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Jerhawk":7md32a9r said:
It's clear that Waldron is in over his head.

He's the middle man between Wilson and Carroll. He is only here to call the plays Carroll approved, and is not capable of holding Wilson accountable.
I don't think Pete is capable of holding him accountable, either. Seemed to be part of the issue the LoB had in those last seasons.
 

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andyh64000":24qfnqr0 said:
kf3339":24qfnqr0 said:
andyh64000":24qfnqr0 said:
It was a nice try a guess (although not worth the risk) but he is clearly in way way over his head. Norton is bad, but with Bevell or Schottenheimer this team would be better than 3-7.

You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.

Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.
 

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kf3339":24euhj8g said:
andyh64000":24euhj8g said:
kf3339":24euhj8g said:
andyh64000":24euhj8g said:
It was a nice try a guess (although not worth the risk) but he is clearly in way way over his head. Norton is bad, but with Bevell or Schottenheimer this team would be better than 3-7.

You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.

Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.

Worst in Seahawk history, or just with PC as our HC?

Also, what changed from game one this year to the next few games before RW was hurt. Same OC, QB and offensive players. The difference? PC.
 

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kf3339":2taphyay said:
kf3339":2taphyay said:
andyh64000":2taphyay said:
kf3339":2taphyay said:
You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.

Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.

Worst in Seahawk history, or just with PC as our HC?

Also, what changed from game one this year to the next few games before RW was hurt. Same OC, QB and offensive players. The difference? PC.

1992 was historically the worst not only in Hawks history but in NFL history. Stan Gellbaugh was a disaster. Not even close.
 

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Waldron calls a decent game. So did Schotty.

The problem is that the keys to the kingdo (on offense) have been given to Russ. He hatches the gamelan with Waldron. AND he has full control to change plays at the line, which he does constantly.

So you can't evaluate is what the original play was vs what Russ changed it to.

You can certainly fault Pete for not putting th Kabash on the BS play and execution and mandating that the play that Waldron calls is what gets run or that the audibles are limited.

But its a catch 22. Because I think Russ is so uncomfortable with the basics of the playbook that if you take away what he can do and make him run the plan, it will actually be worse.

But you can certainly go back and look at the plays we run that fail and see that a great many of them actually would work if the QB knew where to go with the ball.
 

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kf3339":1tdxzu95 said:
kf3339":1tdxzu95 said:
andyh64000":1tdxzu95 said:
kf3339":1tdxzu95 said:
You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.

Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.

Worst in Seahawk history, or just with PC as our HC?

Also, what changed from game one this year to the next few games before RW was hurt. Same OC, QB and offensive players. The difference? PC.

The lead running back has been injured the primary first round pick backup Penny continues to stay injury prone and then ext option Collins has played injured. Therefore a missing running game . Waldron so far has shown no improvement over last season Seahawk offense. The offense continues to have third down conversion issues due lacking a running game. The offense primarily relies on big plays from Lockett and Metcalf. Pass protection remains a perennial problem, potential playmakers Homer and Dissly do not get enough snaps. Dissly is better than Everet and Homer is the best receiver out of the backfield. Play these guys as it is clear changes are required. Finally the defense continues to allow long drives. This group cannot play the cover 3 zone like very well certainly not even close to the Superbowl teams combine that with an offense that has third down trouble and time of possession becomes a huge problem!
 

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kf3339":3rzk0c5u said:
kf3339":3rzk0c5u said:
andyh64000":3rzk0c5u said:
kf3339":3rzk0c5u said:
You're kidding. Right?

Our coaching has been complete crap before he even came to the Hawks. I don't think we even know what we have in him as PC is still calling the shots.

Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.

Worst in Seahawk history, or just with PC as our HC?

Also, what changed from game one this year to the next few games before RW was hurt. Same OC, QB and offensive players. The difference? PC.

The lead running back has been injured the primary first round pick backup Penny continues to stay injury prone and then ext option Collins has played injured. Therefore a missing running game . Waldron so far has shown no improvement over last season Seahawk offense. The offense continues to have third down conversion issues due lacking a running game. The offense primarily relies on big plays from Lockett and Metcalf. Pass protection remains a perennial problem, potential playmakers Homer and Dissly do not get enough snaps. Dissly is better than Everet and Homer is the best receiver out of the backfield. Play these guys as it is clear changes are required. Finally the defense continues to allow long drives. This group cannot play the cover 3 zone like very well certainly not even close to the Superbowl teams combine that with an offense that has third down trouble and time of possession becomes a huge problem!
 

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Folks. What's happening now is what a great many people on this board said would happen last offseason when the other half thought it was all the fault of a conservative Pete or ineffective Schotty when it obvious then, especially after the Rams loss, that it wouldn't matter what playbwas called or who the coordinator was if Russ didn't play better.

And here we are a year on and we are running the offense we would have run had Pete not pulled the plug on the nonsense mid season last year. It's all now simply a continuation of the exposing of Russel that entered its final character at week 8 last year.

No HC will fix it. No OC can fix it. Russ is who he is, and his bag of tricks is just about empty.
 

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tersal":1v01on04 said:
kf3339":1v01on04 said:
kf3339":1v01on04 said:
andyh64000":1v01on04 said:
Show me a 9 game stretch in Seahawk offensive history worse that what has happened beginning with game 2.



Worst in Seahawk history, or just with PC as our HC?

Also, what changed from game one this year to the next few games before RW was hurt. Same OC, QB and offensive players. The difference? PC.

The lead running back has been injured the primary first round pick backup Penny continues to stay injury prone and then ext option Collins has played injured. Therefore a missing running game . Waldron so far has shown no improvement over last season Seahawk offense. The offense continues to have third down conversion issues due lacking a running game. The offense primarily relies on big plays from Lockett and Metcalf. Pass protection remains a perennial problem, potential playmakers Homer and Dissly do not get enough snaps. Dissly is better than Everet and Homer is the best receiver out of the backfield. Play these guys as it is clear changes are required. Finally the defense continues to allow long drives. This group cannot play the cover 3 zone like very well certainly not even close to the Superbowl teams combine that with an offense that has third down trouble and time of possession becomes a huge problem!

Bro, this isn't Waldrons fault. He actually dialing up some good stuff. The ball just isn't getting there. And it's all made worse with injury and drops.
 

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keasley45":1kgtc7ke said:
Folks. What's happening now is what a great many people on this board said would happen last offseason when the other half thought it was all the fault of a conservative Pete or ineffective Schotty when it obvious then, especially after the Rams loss, that it wouldn't matter what playbwas called or who the coordinator was if Russ didn't play better.

And here we are a year on and we are running the offense we would have run had Pete not pulled the plug on the nonsense mid season last year. It's all now simply a continuation of the exposing of Russel that entered its final character at week 8 last year.

No HC will fix it. No OC can fix it. Russ is who he is, and his bag of tricks is just about empty.

Are you talking about the same Wilson who has had Quarterbacked this organization to 8 playoff appearances in nine years, the same one who led this team to its only Superbowl win. Russ is proven he is not the problem better pass protection would help. Also The Hawks defense gave up another 413 yards against the Cardinals. Last I checked Quarterbacks do not play defense.
 

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tersal":1q9b3q8m said:
keasley45":1q9b3q8m said:
Folks. What's happening now is what a great many people on this board said would happen last offseason when the other half thought it was all the fault of a conservative Pete or ineffective Schotty when it obvious then, especially after the Rams loss, that it wouldn't matter what playbwas called or who the coordinator was if Russ didn't play better.

And here we are a year on and we are running the offense we would have run had Pete not pulled the plug on the nonsense mid season last year. It's all now simply a continuation of the exposing of Russel that entered its final character at week 8 last year.

No HC will fix it. No OC can fix it. Russ is who he is, and his bag of tricks is just about empty.

Are you talking about the same Wilson who has had Quarterbacked this organization to 8 playoff appearances in nine years, the same one who led this team to its only Superbowl win. Russ is proven he is not the problem better pass protection would help. Also The Hawks defense gave up another 413 yards against the Cardinals. Last I checked Quarterbacks do not play defense.

Absolutely the same guy who performed EXACTLY THE SAME way often during our superbowl runs until he gave uptrying to read defenses and manufactured plays on his own. Off script, scrambling QBs like Tarkenton,Flutie, even Jackson now have a limited serviceability once their ability to manufacture on their own is diminished. The same inability that Russ showed today, he exhibited earlier this year and last year and since he hasn't had a running game and defense to stand behind. He's great at extending plays ( what he did today) and not great at making plays within the playbook.

Jesus. You know what, when Marshawn Lynch, arguably the most successful and game changing back we've had couldn't do it anymore, itbwould have be asinine to argue not letting him go because of what he did for us BEFORE. His best was in the past. Thanks, good luck. Good bye.

Russ is figured out. But keep blaming everybody but him. And go ahead and watch what happens when he's on his next team.

He was gifted with a situation where his HC scripted a strategy to allow him to flourish despite his shortcomings. And since he's demanded that he be allowed to call things the way he wants, his struggles are obvious and all he does is what he knows. The deep pass, forcing balls to playmakers that don't make sense, and scrambling from the pocket when it's been proven time and again that'd it's not necessary.
 

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Ahhhhhh yes another red herring OC coach firing.
 

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tersal":1s1x9q72 said:
keasley45":1s1x9q72 said:
Folks. What's happening now is what a great many people on this board said would happen last offseason when the other half thought it was all the fault of a conservative Pete or ineffective Schotty when it obvious then, especially after the Rams loss, that it wouldn't matter what playbwas called or who the coordinator was if Russ didn't play better.

And here we are a year on and we are running the offense we would have run had Pete not pulled the plug on the nonsense mid season last year. It's all now simply a continuation of the exposing of Russel that entered its final character at week 8 last year.

No HC will fix it. No OC can fix it. Russ is who he is, and his bag of tricks is just about empty.

Are you talking about the same Wilson who has had Quarterbacked this organization to 8 playoff appearances in nine years, the same one who led this team to its only Superbowl win. Russ is proven he is not the problem better pass protection would help. Also The Hawks defense gave up another 413 yards against the Cardinals. Last I checked Quarterbacks do not play defense.

No, but they can keep the defense off the field so they/re not gassed from a 2 to 1 TOP ratio.
 

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Russ needs to throw to the open man. That my friend is the problem
 

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tersal":79iu8chx said:
keasley45":79iu8chx said:
Folks. What's happening now is what a great many people on this board said would happen last offseason when the other half thought it was all the fault of a conservative Pete or ineffective Schotty when it obvious then, especially after the Rams loss, that it wouldn't matter what playbwas called or who the coordinator was if Russ didn't play better.

And here we are a year on and we are running the offense we would have run had Pete not pulled the plug on the nonsense mid season last year. It's all now simply a continuation of the exposing of Russel that entered its final character at week 8 last year.

No HC will fix it. No OC can fix it. Russ is who he is, and his bag of tricks is just about empty.

Are you talking about the same Wilson who has had Quarterbacked this organization to 8 playoff appearances in nine years, the same one who led this team to its only Superbowl win. Russ is proven he is not the problem better pass protection would help. Also The Hawks defense gave up another 413 yards against the Cardinals. Last I checked Quarterbacks do not play defense.


And sorry but the only thing that got us to those superbowls was the fact that we had a defense and a running game that could keep games pretty much to a stalemate. Both seasons, our running game and defense were tops or near tops in the league. Our passing game...not so much. Efficient, yes. But we've never won anything important when the identity of this team was built on Russ's arm.
 
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