ptisme":160qakep said:
My argument:
1. Kaep is a read option QB who is not a very accurate passer.
2. The Packers have two QB's who know their system who fit better than him...
Do you want me to draw you a picture?
No, I didn't want you to draw me a picture. I wanted you to pick an argument that you're were willing stand behind rather than being flighty and non-committal with. I'll treat these as those arguments, and happy to post about them with you, and then treat all your other past (and potentially future) arguments in this thread the same way you've agreed to treat them
: as inconsequential.
We'll start with #2. which we can treat as a strong or weak claim.
STRONG CLAIM #2: By this logic no team should every bring in a new QB if they have two QBs already on their roster, as by definition those QBs know the system better than the new QB. This is bizarre claim which we can dismiss out of hand.
WEAK CLAIM #2: Let's relax the standards, allow for the fact that teams DO bring in outside QBs, and address the holdups of doing so. McCarthy runs a West Coast system which uses West Coast verbiage, which takes a while to learn due to its needless complexity for QBs coming out of digit systems. For that reason were the Packers to bring in an outside QB it would make sense for them to look at people with experience in a West Coast system and calling plays with West Coast verbiage.
As chance may have it, Kaepernick has four years of experience in a West Coast system which used West Coast verbiage, and three years of starting experience in that system. As a result, if an outsider knowing the system is the primary concern he IS WITHIN THE SMALL GROUP of QBs who they should be considering.
To this we might add that (1) he had greatest success as a passer in a WCO system, (2) the Packers two QBs have a combined 0 NFL starts and 44 NFL passes between them for a QB rating of 28 (they have less career passes than Kaepernick had against Miami last year :lol: ), and (3) those two Packers QBs are a 5th round pick who threw 3 INTs in replacement of Rodgers, and a practice squad UDFA who was cut by three different teams (including the Packers!) in his one full year in the NFL.
Claim #1 that Kaepernick is just a read option QB and can't play without leaning on the read option:
Like Wilson, Newton, etc. he excelled in the read option, but is he just a read option QB, or is he also a competent passer when not in the read option? This is easy to answer, as last year, like rest of the NFL, Chip Kelly had almost entirely abandoned the read option.
As a PASSER last year without the read option Kaepernick was the 17th rated QB in the NFL. He was firmly middle of the pack, and better than the following list of players who are starters for their teams this year: Tyrod Talor, Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Jameis Winston, Eli Manning, Trevor Siemian, Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, and Cam Newton. He was basically statistically equivalent last year as a passer to Alex Smith, Russell Wilson, and Andy Dalton.
If you compare his performance as a passer last year to starters this year, as a passer he was superior last year to Tyrod Taylor, Russell Wilson, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, Josh McCown, Phillip Rivers, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Cam Newton, Trevor Siemian, Jacoby Brissett, Marcus Mariota, Blake Bortles, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Bryan Hoyer, and Mitch Trubisky.
As a result, this might be a good argument for why without the read option Kaepernick is not a Top 12 QB in the NFL, but if it's an argument for why he's not better than Brett Hundley OR or some journeyman UDFA who is apparently named Joe Callahan, it's a horrific argument.
