Attributes that make #1WRs for the Hawks ?

[HawkAroundTheClock]

OP, why do you put spaces before exclamation points and question marks ?

 

[hawksurething]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qm8uTVPMFpk

Vincent Jackson.

 

[KiwiHawk]

It's time to find out what makes a Pro Bowl WR...

1. A WR that demands double coverage.
2. He must be able to block in the Hawks scheme.
3. Jump ball ability, catch radius & can contort body to any catch so DBs can't tip it or int the ball.
4. Strength to catch it even when pass interfered.
5. Strong hands catcher, instead of a body catcher.
6. Red zone producer
7. Attacks the ball. (We saw what happens when a WR can't get to the ball on timing routes in the Superbowl).
8. Good routes & can sink their hips (unless he is 6'2 & up due to their size, gait, hips, etc... Dez, Megatron, etc...all round their routes, but are the best WRs in the NFL because they have all of the above traits).
9. Comes back to the ball on the scramble to present a target (this is big with Wilson).
10. Will-power or fire attitude. (Dez, Thomas, Marshall, Fitz has it).

1. Votes from Players
2. Votes from Coaches
3. Votes from Fans

The vote takes place around halfway through the season. Each group makes up 1/3 of the total vote. That's it. That's what makes a Pro Bowl WR. Literally nothing else factors into it.

 

[hawksurething]

It's time to find out what makes a Pro Bowl WR...

1. A WR that demands double coverage.
2. He must be able to block in the Hawks scheme.
3. Jump ball ability, catch radius & can contort body to any catch so DBs can't tip it or int the ball.
4. Strength to catch it even when pass interfered.
5. Strong hands catcher, instead of a body catcher.
6. Red zone producer
7. Attacks the ball. (We saw what happens when a WR can't get to the ball on timing routes in the Superbowl).
8. Good routes & can sink their hips (unless he is 6'2 & up due to their size, gait, hips, etc... Dez, Megatron, etc...all round their routes, but are the best WRs in the NFL because they have all of the above traits).
9. Comes back to the ball on the scramble to present a target (this is big with Wilson).
10. Will-power or fire attitude. (Dez, Thomas, Marshall, Fitz has it).

1. Votes from Players
2. Votes from Coaches
3. Votes from Fans

The vote takes place around halfway through the season. Each group makes up 1/3 of the total vote. That's it. That's what makes a Pro Bowl WR. Literally nothing else factors into it.

The production is the main factor I'm looking for & the ability to demand a double team. As long as they have that...then the hawks have found a #1 WR. it would be even better if the WR can beat double teams too

 

[HawkFan72]

I sense that double teams are very important for a #1 WR.

 

[KiwiHawk]

It's time to find out what makes a Pro Bowl WR...

1. A WR that demands double coverage.
2. He must be able to block in the Hawks scheme.
3. Jump ball ability, catch radius & can contort body to any catch so DBs can't tip it or int the ball.
4. Strength to catch it even when pass interfered.
5. Strong hands catcher, instead of a body catcher.
6. Red zone producer
7. Attacks the ball. (We saw what happens when a WR can't get to the ball on timing routes in the Superbowl).
8. Good routes & can sink their hips (unless he is 6'2 & up due to their size, gait, hips, etc... Dez, Megatron, etc...all round their routes, but are the best WRs in the NFL because they have all of the above traits).
9. Comes back to the ball on the scramble to present a target (this is big with Wilson).
10. Will-power or fire attitude. (Dez, Thomas, Marshall, Fitz has it).

1. Votes from Players
2. Votes from Coaches
3. Votes from Fans

The vote takes place around halfway through the season. Each group makes up 1/3 of the total vote. That's it. That's what makes a Pro Bowl WR. Literally nothing else factors into it.

The production is the main factor I'm looking for & the ability to demand a double team. As long as they have that...then the hawks have found a #1 WR. it would be even better if the WR can beat double teams too

You asked what makes a Pro Bowl receiver. Votes are the only thing. It's a popularity contest.

If production is your main criteria, then you'll want to be looking for a different team to support. The Seahawks' offense is predicated on spreading the ball to many different targets rather than featuring one in particular. 16 different players caught passes from Wilson last year. He uses 7-10 different receivers per game. Considering we throw around 20-25 passes per game, that doesn't leave a lot of catches per player.

If you want some Dez Bryant type who wants to get the ball every play, he's going to become frustrated and eventually destructive to team chemistry because he won't get the ball enough. See: Percy Harvin.

To look for a #1 receiver for the Seahawks is to fail to understand the offensive philosophy of the team. Whether or not you agree with that philosophy is a different story but fundamentally irrelevant, because Pete Carroll likes what Bevell is doing, so that's what we'll continue to do.

 

[Hawks46]

Honestly, we don't need Megatron and a guy like that won't come here. If we drafted one, he'd be out by the end of his first contract.

We need a guy that can win 1 vs. 1 matchups, either by separation or by being physical. We don't need one guy that can do everything, because Wilson spreads the ball out so well, it's actually better for us to have a guy that gets separation, and a guy that can win jump balls, thus giving Wilson options and matchup options in different situations.

We also need an OL that gives Wilson a bit more time. He's missing open guys a lot ,and it's probably because he expects pressure in about 2 seconds. There's not a lot you can do in 2 seconds, consistently.

Speaking of which, it had nothing to do with our WR's as the reason that Manning didn't come here. I'd have to theorize that at this point, Manning probably believes he can win with almost any WR corps. Hell, he could probably throw me open in the NFL. But our OL is horrid at pass protection, and it has been for some while. It's also why we went away from Hasselbeck. He still had something in the tank, but Hass or Manning would've been murdered behind our OL, which was actually worse than it is now if that's believable.

TJ was a bridge QB that had potential. He also had the physical tools to survive behind that OL.

 

[Tical21]

We need a guy that can get open deep. That is really the only receiver that Russell looks for before the play breaks down and he starts creating.

 

[hawksurething]

OK I fixed my meaning from pro bowl to a 1000 yard & 8 TD NFL #1 WR in a run 1st scheme.

 

[Vetamur]

Why would you want that? If your throwing for 3200 yards a season because you're run first.. And you throw 1/3 of that yardage to one receiver (as opposed to 1/4 up to now), you're probably not spreading the ball around enough. The Seahawks offense run best with 3 "b" level receivers rather than an "a" level and 2 "c" levels.

 

[Vetamur]

Baldwins numbers are very similar to what Tate put up in our offense. When Tate got the chance to be the man in Detroit for a while when Megatron went down, Tate out up huge numbers. Why would you assume Baldwin can't? You might make a case. But you're just projecting. In our offense given the same role Baldwin and Tate produced nearly identically. Which could mean their overall ability is similar, could mean that's just what to expect from whoever is our top receiver or both.

 

[hawksurething]

It's time to find that makes a Pro Bowl WR...

1. A WR that demands double coverage.
2. He must be able to block in the Hawks scheme.
3. Jump ball ability, catch radius & can contort body to any catch so DBs can't tip it or int the ball.
4. Strength to catch it even when pass interfered.
5. Strong hands catcher, instead of a body catcher.
6. Red zone producer
7. Attacks the ball. (We saw what happens when a WR can't get to the ball on timing routes in the Superbowl).
8. Good routes & can sink their hips (unless he is 6'2 & up due to their size, gait, hips, etc... Dez, Megatron, etc...all round their routes, but are the best WRs in the NFL because they have all of the above traits).
9. Comes back to the ball on the scramble to present a target (this is big with Wilson).
10. Will-power or fire attitude. (Dez, Thomas, Marshall, Fitz has it).

1. Votes from Players
2. Votes from Coaches
3. Votes from Fans

The vote takes place around halfway through the season. Each group makes up 1/3 of the total vote. That's it. That's what makes a Pro Bowl WR. Literally nothing else factors into it.

The production is the main factor I'm looking for & the ability to demand a double team. As long as they have that...then the hawks have found a #1 WR. it would be even better if the WR can beat double teams too

You asked what makes a Pro Bowl receiver. Votes are the only thing. It's a popularity contest.

If production is your main criteria, then you'll want to be looking for a different team to support. The Seahawks' offense is predicated on spreading the ball to many different targets rather than featuring one in particular. 16 different players caught passes from Wilson last year. He uses 7-10 different receivers per game. Considering we throw around 20-25 passes per game, that doesn't leave a lot of catches per player.

If you want some Dez Bryant type who wants to get the ball every play, he's going to become frustrated and eventually destructive to team chemistry because he won't get the ball enough. See: Percy Harvin.

To look for a #1 receiver for the Seahawks is to fail to understand the offensive philosophy of the team. Whether or not you agree with that philosophy is a different story but fundamentally irrelevant, because Pete Carroll likes what Bevell is doing, so that's what we'll continue to do.

So wrong about Dez whom had Murray. So that excuse is invalid. Marshall has forte, Andre has foster,irvin had emmit,etc...

So sick of people saying because we run the ball that we can't have a #1 WR...its like they are 49er fans never wanting the hawks to improve in the pass game too.

 

[hawksurething]

We need a guy that can get open deep. That is really the only receiver that Russell looks for before the play breaks down and he starts creating.

So you only want Wilson to have a WR that can ONLY get deep, so Wilson has to continue to scramble & risk getting hurt !

That's fine by you. Not by me though.

 

[Vetamur]

We need a guy that can get open deep. That is really the only receiver that Russell looks for before the play breaks down and he starts creating.

Your not a hawk fan if you only want Wilson to have a WR that can ONLY get deep, so Wilson has to continue to scramble & risk getting hurt !

Quit questioning people's fanhood. Thats a no no here.

And maybe quit your obsession with a "true #1".. there is a salary cap. You cant be strong everywhere and if youre a run first team youre not going to commit the resources to that, especially since, as I noted, the Seahawks offense clearly works better when it treats its receivers as all equal and spreads the ball around.

And again, as I noted, its very possible they are better than you realize. Baldwins numbers are very similar to Tates. Go look at Tates numbers this year in Detroits offense and what he did when Megatron was out.

 

[KiwiHawk]

If you want some Dez Bryant type who wants to get the ball every play, he's going to become frustrated and eventually destructive to team chemistry because he won't get the ball enough. See: Percy Harvin.

To look for a #1 receiver for the Seahawks is to fail to understand the offensive philosophy of the team. Whether or not you agree with that philosophy is a different story but fundamentally irrelevant, because Pete Carroll likes what Bevell is doing, so that's what we'll continue to do.

So wrong about Dez whom had Murray. So that excuse is invalid. Marshall has forte, Andre has foster,irvin had emmit,etc...

So sick of people saying because we run the ball that we can't have a #1 WR...its like they are 49er fans never wanting the hawks to improve in the pass game too.

You failed to understand. I'm not talking about Dez competing for touches with running backs, I'm talking about how fundamental it is to our offensive philosophy to spread the passing targets over many receivers. That's what would annoy a guy like Bryant. He had something like 88 catches compared to the next Dallass WR who had something like 33.

12 players were used by Dallas in the passing game all year. Wilson hits 10 receivers in one game. Simply put, we spread the ball around way too much for anyone to be a top WR in the league. Seattle plays real NFL, not fantasy football. All the players are about winning the game, not personal stats.

 

[hawksurething]

If you want some Dez Bryant type who wants to get the ball every play, he's going to become frustrated and eventually destructive to team chemistry because he won't get the ball enough. See: Percy Harvin.

To look for a #1 receiver for the Seahawks is to fail to understand the offensive philosophy of the team. Whether or not you agree with that philosophy is a different story but fundamentally irrelevant, because Pete Carroll likes what Bevell is doing, so that's what we'll continue to do.

So wrong about Dez whom had Murray. So that excuse is invalid. Marshall has forte, Andre has foster,irvin had emmit,etc...

So sick of people saying because we run the ball that we can't have a #1 WR...its like they are 49er fans never wanting the hawks to improve in the pass game too.

You failed to understand. I'm not talking about Dez competing for touches with running backs, I'm talking about how fundamental it is to our offensive philosophy to spread the passing targets over many receivers. That's what would annoy a guy like Bryant. He had something like 88 catches compared to the next Dallass WR who had something like 33.

12 players were used by Dallas in the passing game all year. Wilson hits 10 receivers in one game. Simply put, we spread the ball around way too much for anyone to be a top WR in the league. Seattle plays real NFL, not fantasy football. All the players are about winning the game, not personal stats.

Wilson will still continue to spread the ball like Brady,Peyton,rodgers and romo who have star receivers. So once again the you cant spread the ball with a #1 Received is invalid too !

Plus the spreading the ball to 10 receivers a game is not working !

Because hawks passing game was a big fail in the Superbowl

 

[mistaowen]

If you want some Dez Bryant type who wants to get the ball every play, he's going to become frustrated and eventually destructive to team chemistry because he won't get the ball enough. See: Percy Harvin.

To look for a #1 receiver for the Seahawks is to fail to understand the offensive philosophy of the team. Whether or not you agree with that philosophy is a different story but fundamentally irrelevant, because Pete Carroll likes what Bevell is doing, so that's what we'll continue to do.

So wrong about Dez whom had Murray. So that excuse is invalid. Marshall has forte, Andre has foster,irvin had emmit,etc...

So sick of people saying because we run the ball that we can't have a #1 WR...its like they are 49er fans never wanting the hawks to improve in the pass game too.

You failed to understand. I'm not talking about Dez competing for touches with running backs, I'm talking about how fundamental it is to our offensive philosophy to spread the passing targets over many receivers. That's what would annoy a guy like Bryant. He had something like 88 catches compared to the next Dallass WR who had something like 33.

12 players were used by Dallas in the passing game all year. Wilson hits 10 receivers in one game. Simply put, we spread the ball around way too much for anyone to be a top WR in the league. Seattle plays real NFL, not fantasy football. All the players are about winning the game, not personal stats.

Wilson will still continue to spread the ball like Brady,Peyton,rodgers and romo who have star receivers.

Plus the spreading the ball to 10 receivers a game is not working ! Its just that you don't want the seahawks to improve in the passing game period.

Because hawks passing game was a big fail in the Superbowl

Questioning peoples Seahawk fandom because they realize we don't need fantasy football stats to be an effective offense is hilarious. I really don't get your end game besides stirring the pot.

 

[Vetamur]

If you want some Dez Bryant type who wants to get the ball every play, he's going to become frustrated and eventually destructive to team chemistry because he won't get the ball enough. See: Percy Harvin.

To look for a #1 receiver for the Seahawks is to fail to understand the offensive philosophy of the team. Whether or not you agree with that philosophy is a different story but fundamentally irrelevant, because Pete Carroll likes what Bevell is doing, so that's what we'll continue to do.

So wrong about Dez whom had Murray. So that excuse is invalid. Marshall has forte, Andre has foster,irvin had emmit,etc...

So sick of people saying because we run the ball that we can't have a #1 WR...its like they are 49er fans never wanting the hawks to improve in the pass game too.

You failed to understand. I'm not talking about Dez competing for touches with running backs, I'm talking about how fundamental it is to our offensive philosophy to spread the passing targets over many receivers. That's what would annoy a guy like Bryant. He had something like 88 catches compared to the next Dallass WR who had something like 33.

12 players were used by Dallas in the passing game all year. Wilson hits 10 receivers in one game. Simply put, we spread the ball around way too much for anyone to be a top WR in the league. Seattle plays real NFL, not fantasy football. All the players are about winning the game, not personal stats.

Wilson will still continue to spread the ball like Brady,Peyton,rodgers and romo who have star receivers.

Plus the spreading the ball to 10 receivers a game is not working ! Its just that you don't want the seahawks to improve in the passing game period.

Because hawks passing game was a big fail in the Superbowl

Maybe they think given our teams philosophy its better to have elite players that impact more of the game, not 5 or 6 plays a game.

 

[hawksurething]

Then I hope they evolve into getting a WR that makes that last catch like Marshall or vjackson.

 

[Jville]

This is some funny stuff.

In building this fantasy, how about considering a companion attribute for attribute #3 "Jump ball ability, catch radius & can contort body to any catch so DBs can't tip it or int the ball."

One that reads something along the lines of ..... after flying around, must be able to make a proper landing without crashing.