Audibles. How much leeway is Wilson given ?

[McGruff]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

I think they paid him to keep getting better at his weaknesses and keep doing the things that make him magical.

 

[vin.couve12]

The play called, the 1 run audible, and 1 pass audible per play came in last year with schottenheimer. He was starting to call line protections a few years ago and it was really really Rocky. Not sure if he's still doing that or if they cut that out. It was the center's job previous to that and that may have gone back to Britt.

 

[chris98251]

Remember last year we had the same basic offense with like 25 percent of Schotty's implemented for changes, he was still teaching Wilson how the concepts work and working with Wilson on footwork and reads. I expect more to have been implemented this year. But due to the amount of new players it won't be very complicated initially till the new WR's and Wilson click.

SInce it's an evolving system I can see a audible from pass to run or vice versa being there to use, but now large changes to a play set.

 

[Tical21]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are many plays where Russ can't figure out the defense pre-snap and tries to figure it out on the fly. Surely this effects how often he's going to audible. I'm sure he has line count automatic audibles and sight adjustments, but not sure playcalling at the LOS would work for us.

The worst ones are when a defense is obviously showing something to disguise their coverage. He just has no feel for when someone is bluffing, when someone is disguising. The pick he threw against Chicago last year. He got fooled bad. Before the snap, I was like "crap, Russ thinks this is zone" (or visa versa, I can't remember). It isn't hard to tell when he doesn't know what he's seeing. There's a good handful of plays each game, sometimes more, depending on the defense, where I say out loud presnap "crap, Russ has no idea what he's seeing." He stands there and keeps looking and looking trying to figure it out, and then just snaps. Almost always ends one of four ways.. a 50/50 ball down the sideline, a check-down, a sack, or a scramble. Luckily, he's magical at making plays and making something happen. And man, that dude loves him some cover-0.

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

 

[DomeHawk]

From what I have seen lately I would be fine if they just let him call ALL of the plays.

 

[Mad Dog]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

It's surprising he can be at the top of the TD list and the bottom of the INT list with all that handicap in his game. Especially last year when he significantly cut down his scrambling and played more on script. Thank goodness he has the best receivers and RB's in the game. Oh wait. Well at least he has the best pass blocking line in the league. Oh wait, that's not it either. Oh yes, he has the best OC running the offense. Darn it, that's not right either.

Damn. how does a short QB with inferior defense reading skills, crappy pass protection, pedestrian receivers and a backwards OC finish near the top of TD's, QB rating, TD/INT ratio every year?

Nanobubbles?

 

[Mad Dog]

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

It's surprising he can be at the top of the TD list and the bottom of the INT list with all that handicap in his game. Especially last year when he significantly cut down his scrambling and played more on script. Thank goodness he has the best receivers and RB's in the game. Oh wait. Well at least he has the best pass blocking line in the league. Oh wait, that's not it either. Oh yes, he has the best OC running the offense. Darn it, that's not right either.

Damn. how does a short QB with inferior defense reading skills, crappy pass protection, pedestrian receivers and a backwards OC finish near the top of TD's, QB rating, TD/INT ratio every year?

Nanobubbles?

Can you produce his rankings in each of those categories for the last 5 years?

Well I can easily find TD's and QB rating:

Russ Luck Brees
TD QBR TD QBR TD QBR
2018 3 3 2 11 6 1
2017 1 10 DNP DNP 11 2
2016 17 14 5 9 3 5
2015 6 1 25 32 7 6
2014 16 10 1 7 5 6

AVG 8.6 7.6 8.3 14.8 6.4 4

So generally better than a healthy Luck and inferior to a GOAT candidate Brees. But top ten average over the last 5 years. Despite being too short, with a crappy OL, pedestrian receivers, troglodyte OC and poor mind skills.

 

[xray]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

It's surprising he can be at the top of the TD list and the bottom of the INT list with all that handicap in his game. Especially last year when he significantly cut down his scrambling and played more on script. Thank goodness he has the best receivers and RB's in the game. Oh wait. Well at least he has the best pass blocking line in the league. Oh wait, that's not it either. Oh yes, he has the best OC running the offense. Darn it, that's not right either.

Damn. how does a short QB with inferior defense reading skills, crappy pass protection, pedestrian receivers and a backwards OC finish near the top of TD's, QB rating, TD/INT ratio every year?

Nanobubbles?

He succeeds with natural abilities and unique skills despite the fact that Carroll never made much of an attempt to build a an offense around him ; which I always thought was a unforced error on Carroll .

 

[Mad Dog]

Bahh, tragically my formatting didn't stick.

 

[McGruff]

Is it possible for a player to be an excellent overall player because of advanced skills in key areas without having to be ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!! In every area?

 

[chris98251]

Is it possible for a player to be an excellent overall player because of advanced skills in key areas without having to be ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!! In every area?

No cause Fantasy money is on the line....................

 

[IndyHawk]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are many plays where Russ can't figure out the defense pre-snap and tries to figure it out on the fly. Surely this effects how often he's going to audible. I'm sure he has line count automatic audibles and sight adjustments, but not sure playcalling at the LOS would work for us.

The worst ones are when a defense is obviously showing something to disguise their coverage. He just has no feel for when someone is bluffing, when someone is disguising. The pick he threw against Chicago last year. He got fooled bad. Before the snap, I was like "crap, Russ thinks this is zone" (or visa versa, I can't remember). It isn't hard to tell when he doesn't know what he's seeing. There's a good handful of plays each game, sometimes more, depending on the defense, where I say out loud presnap "crap, Russ has no idea what he's seeing." He stands there and keeps looking and looking trying to figure it out, and then just snaps. Almost always ends one of four ways.. a 50/50 ball down the sideline, a check-down, a sack, or a scramble. Luckily, he's magical at making plays and making something happen. And man, that dude loves him some cover-0.

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

This is how i'm seeing it ..Great post :2thumbs:

 

[vin.couve12]

Is it possible for a player to be an excellent overall player because of advanced skills in key areas without having to be ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!! In every area?

I'm not going to form an opinon until we get Anthony!'s take on it.

Funniest response on this board in a while, I'll give you that.

 

[vin.couve12]

I've often wondered about this aspect but never really understood it or the parameters . evidently not all QBs have full control there. :?

I dont think any of know.

HUH?

If you could please learn to read what I mean, and not what I type, it will be easier for all of us.

Actually this might be more funny. Lol

 

[Tical21]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

It's surprising he can be at the top of the TD list and the bottom of the INT list with all that handicap in his game. Especially last year when he significantly cut down his scrambling and played more on script. Thank goodness he has the best receivers and RB's in the game. Oh wait. Well at least he has the best pass blocking line in the league. Oh wait, that's not it either. Oh yes, he has the best OC running the offense. Darn it, that's not right either.

Damn. how does a short QB with inferior defense reading skills, crappy pass protection, pedestrian receivers and a backwards OC finish near the top of TD's, QB rating, TD/INT ratio every year?

Nanobubbles?

He's a helluva playmaker. Probably moreso than anyone at the history of the position. Is insanely accurate. Throws an incredible deep ball. He's great at what he's great at, but reading zone defenses just isn't one of those things. And he needs a running game.

And he does audible often. He's really quick to audible to a run. Not nearly as quick to pass.

 

[John63]

Part of the issue is that i think reading defenses is the weakest part of Russ' game. Especially when it comes to zone.

That's funny as most experts say the opposite. Any evidence of this?

 

[John63]

Part of the issue is that i think reading defenses is the weakest part of Russ' game. Especially when it comes to zone.

Let me guess....who else don't you think can read defenses? Kyler, Lamar, Cam?

Sickening, Preach

All I know is, guys like Manning, Luck, Brees, etc never have issues reading defenses. The stats don’t lie.

What stats show how well a qb reads a defense? Let me help you none, so what proof do you have he has trouble reading defenses, I will wait, but bet you none.

 

[John63]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

Routinely and yet the stats show he makes mistakes no more than any top QB.

 

[John63]

The play called, the 1 run audible, and 1 pass audible per play came in last year with schottenheimer. He was starting to call line protections a few years ago and it was really really Rocky. Not sure if he's still doing that or if they cut that out. It was the center's job previous to that and that may have gone back to Britt.

That would be interesting since PC said that in 2015.

 

[John63]

I dont pretend to know why, all I know is that Russell routinely makes poor decisions.

I mean . . . Eat the Ball? Nanobubbles? Good Man Brand? Ciara?

So the Hawks make Wilson the highest paid player in the universe ; in spite of the fact he routinely makes poor decisions ? That doesn't make sense . They could get a rookie QB to routinely make poor decisions on a cheap contract . I think that most of the problems that Wilson has had for most of his career is directly attributed to an OL that Carroll assembles primarily for a run game . Hence the sacks and hurries on pass plays . IMO

I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are many plays where Russ can't figure out the defense pre-snap and tries to figure it out on the fly. Surely this effects how often he's going to audible. I'm sure he has line count automatic audibles and sight adjustments, but not sure playcalling at the LOS would work for us.

The worst ones are when a defense is obviously showing something to disguise their coverage. He just has no feel for when someone is bluffing, when someone is disguising. The pick he threw against Chicago last year. He got fooled bad. Before the snap, I was like "crap, Russ thinks this is zone" (or visa versa, I can't remember). It isn't hard to tell when he doesn't know what he's seeing. There's a good handful of plays each game, sometimes more, depending on the defense, where I say out loud presnap "crap, Russ has no idea what he's seeing." He stands there and keeps looking and looking trying to figure it out, and then just snaps. Almost always ends one of four ways.. a 50/50 ball down the sideline, a check-down, a sack, or a scramble. Luckily, he's magical at making plays and making something happen. And man, that dude loves him some cover-0.

ETA: there are a certain number of plays where just about every QB gets fooled, but it does happen quite a bit more often with Russ than the other "good" quarterbacks in the league. This is one of the reasons we don't complete that many intermediate level passes. Those passes against zone need to be completed with anticipation and knowing where and when the windows will happen.

Proof I will wait.