BB Suspended Indefinitely

[Laloosh]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

No, he failed one after 3 years in the NFL and getting tested over 200 times before he came up positive. Do you understand that? He was getting tested several times a month. He knew he was getting tested all the time and that that is not normal. He knew he was being tested and he still went and blazed up. You guys are venting on an issue that is irrelevant instead of venting on the responsible party, Brandon Browner. Yeah, it's a crappy rule but that should've been taken care of when he was newly back to the league, not years later and after he got caught.

Act like Seahawk fans, not Niner fans blaming everybody else. Browner screwed us. Anger should start and stop with him and only him.

Do you have access to information that we don't? The league offered a reduction which was declined. This was their response. What do you actually know beyond that?

 

[kidhawk]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

No, he failed one after 3 years in the NFL and getting tested over 200 times before he came up positive. Do you understand that? He was getting tested several times a month. He knew he was getting tested all the time and that that is not normal. He knew he was being tested and he still went and blazed up. You guys are venting on an issue that is irrelevant instead of venting on the responsible party, Brandon Browner. Yeah, it's a crappy rule but that should've been taken care of when he was newly back to the league, not years later and after he got caught.

Act like Seahawk fans, not Niner fans blaming everybody else. Browner screwed us. Anger should start and stop with him and only him.

Do you even realize that by NFL rule, the first time you are positive for a substance such as marijuana it's not even a suspendable offense? Nobody is arguing that Browner didn't violate the policy, only the way in which it is being enforced which may be illegal

 

[Cyrus12]

just like that Browner is done as a Seahawk....Isn't Aldon Smith still playing? hmmm...weird....Browner made the choice to smoke weed so I don't feel sorry for him but seems like he got a raw deal. Welcome to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers Browner...60k a year just doesn't sound as good as 6 million a year which he may of got in free agency...The "oriiginal" Legion of Boom is no longer...

 

[Missing_Clink]

Good to know one way or the other. I think the team will be just fine with the players they've got. Better just focus on moving forward without him permanently.

 

[MadSweeney]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

You don't think he has a chance at injunction based on defamation by the league for the false reports of a PED suspension in a contract year based on information leaked by the league itself? Not to mention unfair labor practices involving drug testing by a corporation he wasn't even employed by.

Defamation requires malice first of all. It also has to actually defame a person. Kind of hard to prove he was defamed because someone sloppily thought he got caught using PEDs AGAIN!!!! He already WAS thought of as a PED user. That's why the initial report assumed it was PEDs since a second strike triggers a year. Sloppy reporting that was quickly fixed and endlessly corrected. Zero case whatsoever for defamation. Maybe, but still unlikely, but if he wasn't already an admitted PED user there'd be a case for it. Still have to prove malice, of which there is zero cause.

 

[WindCityHawk]

Guess he should have just fired an assault rifle at people or racked up a few DUIs instead.

 

[MadSweeney]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

Yup. He should have answered his disconnected phone or read his mail while he was sleeping on his friends' couches

Maybe he should've put two and two together and realized that a) pot is illegal in the league and b) getting tessted 200 times over 3 years isn't how non drug offenders have to do.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Yup. He should have answered his disconnected phone or read his mail while he was sleeping on his friends' couches

To be fair, why wouldn't you keep your contact information with the NFL updated? I mean, it's the NFL. A place you hope you get to play in; your life's goal, you know?

 

[kidhawk]

Not that the source has been all that great on this subject, but according to the NFL.com article, the league upped the suspension from 1 year to indefinitely. That tells me that it's not just a rewording of the original suspension.

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A source now tells NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport that Browner's suspension has escalated from one year to "indefinitely."

 

[AbsolutNET]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

Yup. He should have answered his disconnected phone or read his mail while he was sleeping on his friends' couches

Maybe he should've put two and two together and realized that a) pot is illegal in the league and b) getting tessted 200 times over 3 years isn't how non drug offenders have to do.

No one is arguing that he didn't screw up. The argument is that he should not be anywhere near the 1 year suspension mark, but he is because he didn't follow CBA outlines when he wasn't employed by the league or subject to said CBA.

 

[KK84]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

No. He definitely deserved punishment, but it should be done fairly. This is NFL Bullshit at its finest.

What's fairly? A one year suspension is exactly what is fair in this situation. It's black and white in the CBA contract he signed when he got his check.

Rules regarding players that spend time in the CFL are anything but black and white. Yes, smoking weed was stupid and selfish, but he should be punished the same as anyone else who got busted after years of clean tests, not made an example of due to a ridiculous enforcement of the drug program of a league he was not in for years.

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

Only in America can you get Keel Hauled for failing a piss test while not even working for the Company demanding said test and then be suspended indefinitely years after the fact when you try and stand up for your rights. Guilty until proven innocent indeed!

 

[MadSweeney]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

No, he failed one after 3 years in the NFL and getting tested over 200 times before he came up positive. Do you understand that? He was getting tested several times a month. He knew he was getting tested all the time and that that is not normal. He knew he was being tested and he still went and blazed up. You guys are venting on an issue that is irrelevant instead of venting on the responsible party, Brandon Browner. Yeah, it's a crappy rule but that should've been taken care of when he was newly back to the league, not years later and after he got caught.

Act like Seahawk fans, not Niner fans blaming everybody else. Browner screwed us. Anger should start and stop with him and only him.

The point is, he has not reached enough failed tests to be suspended a whole year and have his career ruined. He is being suspended because he didn't attend counseling while he wasn't even employed by the league and had his level aggravated due to it.

No, he's suspended because despite being tested several times a month, he decided to imbibe and run the risk of failing a test that he knew coming. At best he might be able to claim that he thought it would only be a 4 game, but he still knew that a positive test meant suspension. He should've cleared up the missed tests years ago when he had to start taking so many tests, not after he got popped.

You guys are like abused women not pressing charges against the husband that socked you. Browner is the bad guy in this, not Goodell. i hate him as much as anyone in here, but he has everything on his side and it's all on the up and up. it's an easy case-closed issue. Browner knew he was getting tested and he smoked. Period.

 

[seahawk12thman]

Yup. He should have answered his disconnected phone or read his mail while he was sleeping on his friends' couches

To be fair, why wouldn't you keep your contact information with the NFL updated? I mean, it's the NFL. A place you hope you get to play in; your life's goal, you know?

Ignorance has never been a plausible excuse. He failed a drug test last year and fails one again this year and then he screams "OHHH, I didn't know" and now everybody thinks he is being targeted. The people who are supporting Browner are ignorant. I don't feel sorry for him and he got what he deserved, end of story.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

Hi Sweeney.

 

[KK84]

Yup. He should have answered his disconnected phone or read his mail while he was sleeping on his friends' couches

To be fair, why wouldn't you keep your contact information with the NFL updated? I mean, it's the NFL. A place you hope you get to play in; your life's goal, you know?

Ignorance has never been a plausible excuse. He failed a drug test last year and fails one again this year and then he screams "OHHH, I didn't know" and now everybody thinks he is being targeted. The people who are supporting Browner are ignorant. I don't feel sorry for him and he got what he deserved, end of story.

2 different substances that do not count against each other. Do your research before you call other people ignorant.

 

[MadSweeney]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

No, he failed one after 3 years in the NFL and getting tested over 200 times before he came up positive. Do you understand that? He was getting tested several times a month. He knew he was getting tested all the time and that that is not normal. He knew he was being tested and he still went and blazed up. You guys are venting on an issue that is irrelevant instead of venting on the responsible party, Brandon Browner. Yeah, it's a crappy rule but that should've been taken care of when he was newly back to the league, not years later and after he got caught.

Act like Seahawk fans, not Niner fans blaming everybody else. Browner screwed us. Anger should start and stop with him and only him.

Do you have access to information that we don't? The league offered a reduction which was declined. This was their response. What do you actually know beyond that?

What would you like to know. Here are the facts: Browner smoked an illegal (NFL wise) substance for which he was already on thin ice for previous infractions. Those tests he missed (and I agree it's a bad rule) were because he was already in the program. He was getting tested at least once a week. He knew at a minimum it would be 4 games if he got caught. But here's the ONLY necessary fact: BROWNER SMOKED POT WHEN HE KNEW HE WAS GOIING TO GET TESTED!!!!!! He's an idiot who let his team and fans down and likely cost himself an inordinate amount of money.

 

[DavidSeven]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

You don't think he has a chance at injunction based on defamation by the league for the false reports of a PED suspension in a contract year based on information leaked by the league itself? Not to mention unfair labor practices involving drug testing by a corporation he wasn't even employed by.

Defamation requires malice first of all. It also has to actually defame a person. Kind of hard to prove he was defamed because someone sloppily thought he got caught using PEDs AGAIN!!!! He already WAS thought of as a PED user. That's why the initial report assumed it was PEDs since a second strike triggers a year. Sloppy reporting that was quickly fixed and endlessly corrected. Zero case whatsoever for defamation. Maybe, but still unlikely, but if he wasn't already an admitted PED user there'd be a case for it. Still have to prove malice, of which there is zero cause.

Malice is defined in the context of defamation as knowingly making a false statement. The NFL knew his suspension was for substance abuse, not PEDs. There was subsequently a false statement made on NFL.com that he was suspended for PEDs despite the fact that the NFL knew it was for substance abuse. That's all malice is.

The only tricky legal point is if statements made on NFL.com (which is owned by the NFL) can be attributable to the NFL itself. Normally, I would say yes under an agency theory; however, the NFL may have some loophole out of this e.g. disclosures it may have made.

 

[CANHawk]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

No, he failed one after 3 years in the NFL and getting tested over 200 times before he came up positive. Do you understand that? He was getting tested several times a month. He knew he was getting tested all the time and that that is not normal. He knew he was being tested and he still went and blazed up. You guys are venting on an issue that is irrelevant instead of venting on the responsible party, Brandon Browner. Yeah, it's a crappy rule but that should've been taken care of when he was newly back to the league, not years later and after he got caught.

Act like Seahawk fans, not Niner fans blaming everybody else. Browner screwed us. Anger should start and stop with him and only him.

The point is, he has not reached enough failed tests to be suspended a whole year and have his career ruined. He is being suspended because he didn't attend counseling while he wasn't even employed by the league and had his level aggravated due to it.

Bingo.

Really, I could give a rip about BB right now from a team performance perspective. Yes, I love what he brings and would welcome him back with open arms, but we've proven we don't need him to come back. We're fine without him. Great even. Really, from a personnel perspective, it matters naught if he ever comes back to Seattle.

What pisses me off is the absolute railroading that one of OUR guys - a guy who's played games, made big plays and made pro bowls as a HAWK - is recieving from the jagoffs in the league office. Yes, he failed a piss test. I don't think anyone's denying that. However, he's having his character totally assasinated over what really should have been some behind closed doors coulseling type stuff by the league's own substance abuse program.

THURMOND screwed up, worse than BB even given that he knew exactly where he stood in the program, yet he gets to come back, play in the playoffs (hopefully the super bowl) and carry on with life and career. BB's been practically excommunicated for the same thing. That's bullshit.

Hope his lawyers tear the league a new one...

 

[MadSweeney]

You guys are deluded about a lawsuit. He did it all to himself and has no one to blame but himself.

he did what exactly to himself? Missed a bunch of piss tests while he was employed in Canada for 4 years?

No, he failed one after 3 years in the NFL and getting tested over 200 times before he came up positive. Do you understand that? He was getting tested several times a month. He knew he was getting tested all the time and that that is not normal. He knew he was being tested and he still went and blazed up. You guys are venting on an issue that is irrelevant instead of venting on the responsible party, Brandon Browner. Yeah, it's a crappy rule but that should've been taken care of when he was newly back to the league, not years later and after he got caught.

Act like Seahawk fans, not Niner fans blaming everybody else. Browner screwed us. Anger should start and stop with him and only him.

Do you even realize that by NFL rule, the first time you are positive for a substance such as marijuana it's not even a suspendable offense? Nobody is arguing that Browner didn't violate the policy, only the way in which it is being enforced which may be illegal

He got himself in trouble his rookie year with the Broncos, for which he was not suspended.

It's not being enforced illegally because a) the NFLPA agreed to that rule about missed tests and b) he still knew he was getting regularly tested and that he was facing suspension if he tested positive.