Best oline performance.....

[Sgt. Largent]

I know we like to bust Cable's chops for constantly moving guys around.

But without that happening, we would never have an emerging Pro Bowl center right now in Britt. Probably wouldn't even be on our roster if we kept him floundering at tackle or guard.

I actually don't really mind it during the pre season (some). It is after several reg. season games and a loss or 2 that it becomes irritating. I will not be giving Cable credit for that move either. He only did that as a last stop effort to save another high draft pick that had his stamp of approval before he was let go.

Why does it matter why he and Pete did it?

It was a great move, and if we're going to kick our coaches in the nuts over moving guys around, then we should be fair and commend them when it works..........and in Britt's case, worked out very well.

Because if it is happening widespread in one position group only, it is a telltale indicator there is a serious issue with talent evaluation with respect to each position in that group. Draft a tackle, move to guard...Draft a tackle, move to guard....Draft a tackle, move to guard then to center.... :roll:

Yes, like I said, glad it worked out in the end. It just happens way too often in our case.

And now it is happening again with Ifedi. This time they are moving in the complete wrong direction. Put him on the outside so his lead feet and slow reactions are better masked? Ready.....Fire.....Aim.

This is an entire other conversation, and I agree for the most part that I'm not very fond of Pete, John and Cable's philosophy of drafting and acquiring "versatile athletic" linemen that can play multiple positions across the line.

For all the out of the box scouting and player development praise I can heap upon Pete, the one glaring philosophical failure is how he's tried to develop the O-line.

 

[Bobblehead]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Really? I kind of thought they were moved around cause they sucked, or someone else was much better at that position they were being moved from. Versatile players tend to be backup players that can fill in a positon from time to time, I doubt you ever see Walter Jones, or Steve Hutch flip around from position to position or considered valuable because they can switch from position to position.

SO really, in essence, if you're playing a bunch of versatile players, you're really playing with a bunch of 2nd string backups. Defenses all around the league love versatile players.

 

[Jville]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Really? I kind of thought they were moved around cause they sucked, or someone else was much better at that position they were being moved from. Versatile players tend to be backup players that can fill in a positon from time to time, I doubt you ever see Walter Jones, or Steve Hutch flip around from position to position or considered valuable because they can switch from position to position.

SO really, in essence, if you're playing a bunch of versatile players, you're really playing with a bunch of 2nd string backups. Defenses all around the league love versatile players.

Most of us get that teams have a combination of dedicated specialists who excel at a singular position and versatile players. Everyone is trying to get the best 5 on the field.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Really? I kind of thought they were moved around cause they sucked, or someone else was much better at that position they were being moved from. Versatile players tend to be backup players that can fill in a positon from time to time, I doubt you ever see Walter Jones, or Steve Hutch flip around from position to position or considered valuable because they can switch from position to position.

SO really, in essence, if you're playing a bunch of versatile players, you're really playing with a bunch of 2nd string backups. Defenses all around the league love versatile players.

You just named two of the greatest lineman in NFL history. We draft defensive lineman and basketball players.

It's the state of the league now, the college game is not producing 3-4 year starters who came from prototypical pro style offenses. They're producing 1-2 year starters who 80% played in one read run and gun spread offenses.

So it's not like we're the only team having problems drafting and developing O-linemen. It's an epidemic.

 

[Seymour]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Sounds great but doesn't fill the hole at tackle. We set out to draft a tackle how many times now? Name one tackle this team has drafted that can play and start other than Okung (yes in 2010 the year Cable was not here yet) :roll: .

 

[hawk45]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Really? I kind of thought they were moved around cause they sucked, or someone else was much better at that position they were being moved from. Versatile players tend to be backup players that can fill in a positon from time to time, I doubt you ever see Walter Jones, or Steve Hutch flip around from position to position or considered valuable because they can switch from position to position.

SO really, in essence, if you're playing a bunch of versatile players, you're really playing with a bunch of 2nd string backups. Defenses all around the league love versatile players.

Most of us get that teams have a combination of dedicated specialists who excel at a singular position and versatile players. Everyone is trying to get the best 5 on the field.

I get that versatility has been the excuse. But for this football team it has been more like Bobblehead said: moving guys because they sucked.

Carp was drafted for OT, they botched that eval and coaching, moved to guard, finally was okay

Britt was drafted for OT, they botched that eval and coaching, moved to guard, they botched that eval and coaching, moved in desperation to center.

Nowak was inserted in the name of "getting the best 5 athletes out there", they botched that eval instead of going with Patrick Lewis which every single drunk internet poster knew was a better option.

If it looks like throwing darts it's because it's throwing darts. Moving a crappy Ifedi to OT makes no sense at all, and this is being borne out by the fact that Ifedi is in a (losing) struggle for his job with the rookie Pocic.

 

[Jville]

There just are not enough offensive tackles on the college OL tree.

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[Bobblehead]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Really? I kind of thought they were moved around cause they sucked, or someone else was much better at that position they were being moved from. Versatile players tend to be backup players that can fill in a positon from time to time, I doubt you ever see Walter Jones, or Steve Hutch flip around from position to position or considered valuable because they can switch from position to position.

SO really, in essence, if you're playing a bunch of versatile players, you're really playing with a bunch of 2nd string backups. Defenses all around the league love versatile players.

You just named two of the greatest lineman in NFL history. We draft defensive lineman and basketball players.

It's the state of the league now, the college game is not producing 3-4 year starters who came from prototypical pro style offenses. They're producing 1-2 year starters who 80% played in one read run and gun spread offenses.

So it's not like we're the only team having problems drafting and developing O-linemen. It's an epidemic.

No we're not the only team that has OL issues, but we are certainly one of the teams that has been having a major problem with it. I understand it's money, in the CAP era, you may excel at a lot of areas, but there is gong to be one area that you have to skimp on, we chose the OL. I guess we get what we pay for Versatile Basketball players and converted Defensive linemen. I hope you're fast this year Russ.

 

[Jville]

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[Sgt. Largent]

No we're not the only team that has OL issues, but we are certainly one of the teams that has been having a major problem with it. I understand it's money, in the CAP era, you may excel at a lot of areas, but there is gong to be one area that you have to skimp on, we chose the OL. I guess we get what we pay for Versatile Basketball players and converted Defensive linemen. I hope you're fast this year Russ.

And I think Pete and John are starting to see the light, thus the Joeckel signing, going hard after Lang and drafting a true O-line stud in Pocic.

Hopefully this trend continues.

 

[Bobblehead]

No we're not the only team that has OL issues, but we are certainly one of the teams that has been having a major problem with it. I understand it's money, in the CAP era, you may excel at a lot of areas, but there is gong to be one area that you have to skimp on, we chose the OL. I guess we get what we pay for Versatile Basketball players and converted Defensive linemen. I hope you're fast this year Russ.

And I think Pete and John are starting to see the light, thus the Joeckel signing, going hard after Lang and drafting a true O-line stud in Pocic.

Hopefully this trend continues.

My whole theory is that the best defense, is an offense on the field all game.. Dallas was excelling at it, we excelled at it back in 13.. Keep the O on the field, Run Run Run, tire the opposing D and good things will happen.

 

[hawk45]

The cap excuse is just an excuse. You don't have to spend big bucks at 5 positions on the OL but you could forego the Percy Harvins and Jimmy Grahams of the world and pay 2 anchors on your OL to keep things from disaster while you swap lesser players in and out at the other 3 spots.

Unfortunately for the Hawks their previous anchors - Okung and Unger - were injury-prone. Their other decent players - Sweezy and Carp - weren't worth a 2nd contract. The decisions to let go all of those players were defensible taken individually. But they still should have spaced those out a bit. Overpay Okung for a year so that you aren't losing him and Sweezy at the same time and starting a basketball player at LT? Do it.

I want to see them adhere to the 2 anchor rule from here on out. Which means signing Britt, and evaluating Pocic as anchor number two.

 

[ivotuk]

Hunt?! Did you forget his start last year where he was literally being walked over every single play. Too small to play starting olineman in the nfl.

This isn't last year.

FYI

Joey Hunt 6'2" 299#

http://www.seahawks.com/team/players/roster/joey-hunt

Jeff Saturday 6'2" 295#

http://www.nfl.com/player/jeffsaturday/2502838/profile

 

[West TX Hawk]

:177692: Linemen who can play multiple spots are valued thru out the league. Lots of teams move linemen around looking for a best combination. An opponents best defensive lineman often is moved around to match up against the weakest offensive linemen. Versatility and depth is critical. In addition to injury concerns, upgrading the #4 and #5 best linemen is a constant goal. I'm confident we will see better chemistry this year and moving candidates around is how teams do it.

Really? I kind of thought they were moved around cause they sucked, or someone else was much better at that position they were being moved from. Versatile players tend to be backup players that can fill in a positon from time to time, I doubt you ever see Walter Jones, or Steve Hutch flip around from position to position or considered valuable because they can switch from position to position.

SO really, in essence, if you're playing a bunch of versatile players, you're really playing with a bunch of 2nd string backups. Defenses all around the league love versatile players.

You just named two of the greatest lineman in NFL history. We draft defensive lineman and basketball players.

It's the state of the league now, the college game is not producing 3-4 year starters who came from prototypical pro style offenses. They're producing 1-2 year starters who 80% played in one read run and gun spread offenses.

So it's not like we're the only team having problems drafting and developing O-linemen. It's an epidemic.

It is an epidemic. But why have we been inflicted and stuck in ER for 5 years and other teams receive effective linemen flu shots every other year or so?

Britt (if re-signed), Pocic and our power forward turned bodybuilder are our only hope for future adequacy. Our entire scouting philosophy of OL talent needs to be scrutinzied, revamped and updated.