Ethan Pocic named starting center

[toffee]

Max Unger was considered one of the best college centers in the draft, but for the first couple of years he played guard for the Hawks, and it’s hard to deny that he sucked. He couldn’t anchor well enough. Too light in the pants. Once he was back at his natural position he became a Pro Bowler.

Britt was just as bad his first few years with Seattle, and I recall hearing Hawk fans say that we should cut him and move on. Once he became a center his career flourished.

Pocic was just as highly rated in college as Unger, and has followed a similar path with the Hawks. I was not at all surprised to see him win the position, just as I won’t be surprised if he develops into a Pro Bowler. He has the tools he needs.

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[olyfan63]

Hoping to see it. Britt was a pleasant surprise, going from likely cut, pre-season, to Pro Bowler, by virtue of changing from G to Center. Anyone remember that, when Britt was viewed by some as a pre-season cut?

Would love to see that from Pocic. For sure gotta know Pocic has been working his ass off to make it happen. Hope it lasts longer than the one season Pete tried the wing and a prayer dude at center for a couple games at the start of the season, and it didn't work out Anyone even remember that dude's name? I don't.

 

[Seymour]

So more of Wilson running for his life.

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/878164738043035648[/tweet]

 

[toffee]

So more of Wilson running for his life.

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" *mod edit*? :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/878164738043035648[/tweet]

can you looked up how many times Russ was hurried in those 91 snaps? thx

 

[John63]

So more of Wilson running for his life.

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit*? :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/878164738043035648[/tweet]

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

 

[Seymour]

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

That was after 2 games, and you ignore the season stats of NO SACKS in 91 snaps??!@ Useless having a discussion of "facts" with you I see... :roll:

Also you are ignoring he was best at his natural position, center.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ethan-pocic/11813

 

[hawkfan68]

Hopefully he has the intelligence to make the line adjustments as well, something that's key for center.

Unger and Tobeck are the best centers we've had imo, mostly because of their mental ability to make the proper line adjustments to go along with the physical tools.

Yarno wasn't so bad, also too bad we never held on to Kevin Mawae.

Blair Bush and Ray Donaldson were also highly regarded centers who were Seahawks. Seahawks have had a fair share of good luck at the center spot.

 

[Maelstrom787]

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/878164738043035648[/tweet]

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

Really? Pete Carroll, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, said that Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker and not a pass blocker?

Link it. Go ahead. As I recall somewhat vividly, they were mainly high on Pocic because of his perceived versatility, but please, prove me wrong with a link.

In the meantime, actual facts were provided to you. In response, you quoted an article from last year when he was playing an entirely different position. This thread is about Ethan Pocic -at center-, where he was an excellent lineman who allowed almost no pressure whatsoever in pass protection.

Anyway, here's the Seattle Times article from when Pocic was drafted. Spoiler: it doesn't say "Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker not pass blocker according to PC who evccen said it when they got him"

And here is the analysis from Pro Football Focus: “Pocic does a lot of things well and his ability to make difficult reach blocks make him a fit in any scheme. He’s sound in pass protection and even dabbled at offensive tackle to add some versatility, though he’ll get a shot to stick at center where he looks like one of the best the draft has to offer.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ond-round/

Doesn't sound like the dreaded "known run blocker" to me.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

787 is correct. Pocic was actually explicitly acknowledged as a known deviation from PC's normal run blocker template for OL. He was called a technician rather than a road grader. This was all over the place.

 

[John63]

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

That was after 2 games, and you ignore the season stats of NO SACKS in 91 snaps??!@ Useless having a discussion of "facts" with you I see... :roll:

Also you are ignoring he was best at his natural position, center.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ethan-pocic/11813

graded 22 you seem to focus on sacks, but guess what it was not a sack that injured Wilson a few years ago it was a hit. again graded 22 enough said

 

[John63]

yeah becuz ethin pocic is a knwon run blocker abd not pass blok!

Give it a rest. Pocic was a very good college center, let's see how he fares at his natural position.[/quotee]


Ahh no I will not, and Pocic was blown up a lot last year in pass blocking so you give it a rest. The Fact is ethan was horrible in pass protection period

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/878164738043035648[/tweet]

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

Really? Pete Carroll, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, said that Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker and not a pass blocker?

Link it. Go ahead. As I recall somewhat vividly, they were mainly high on Pocic because of his perceived versatility, but please, prove me wrong with a link.

In the meantime, actual facts were provided to you. In response, you quoted an article from last year when he was playing an entirely different position. This thread is about Ethan Pocic -at center-, where he was an excellent lineman who allowed almost no pressure whatsoever in pass protection.

Anyway, here's the Seattle Times article from when Pocic was drafted. Spoiler: it doesn't say "Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker not pass blocker according to PC who evccen said it when they got him"

And here is the analysis from Pro Football Focus: “Pocic does a lot of things well and his ability to make difficult reach blocks make him a fit in any scheme. He’s sound in pass protection and even dabbled at offensive tackle to add some versatility, though he’ll get a shot to stick at center where he looks like one of the best the draft has to offer.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ond-round/

Doesn't sound like the dreaded "known run blocker" to me.

graded 22 in pass blocking let help that SUCKS. Don't care how many games that si what we have as of now till we see something saying otherwise.

 

[John63]

787 is correct. Pocic was actually explicitly acknowledged as a known deviation from PC's normal run blocker template for OL. He was called a technician rather than a road grader. This was all over the place.

a technician who graded a 22 in pass blocking. so at this point that is what we have a technician who graded 22 in pass blocking to date. Heck if it was 50 which is still bad at least that si something but 22.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PFF/status/878164738043035648[/tweet]

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

Really? Pete Carroll, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, said that Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker and not a pass blocker?

Link it. Go ahead. As I recall somewhat vividly, they were mainly high on Pocic because of his perceived versatility, but please, prove me wrong with a link.

In the meantime, actual facts were provided to you. In response, you quoted an article from last year when he was playing an entirely different position. This thread is about Ethan Pocic -at center-, where he was an excellent lineman who allowed almost no pressure whatsoever in pass protection.

Anyway, here's the Seattle Times article from when Pocic was drafted. Spoiler: it doesn't say "Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker not pass blocker according to PC who evccen said it when they got him"

And here is the analysis from Pro Football Focus: “Pocic does a lot of things well and his ability to make difficult reach blocks make him a fit in any scheme. He’s sound in pass protection and even dabbled at offensive tackle to add some versatility, though he’ll get a shot to stick at center where he looks like one of the best the draft has to offer.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ond-round/

Doesn't sound like the dreaded "known run blocker" to me.

graded 22 in pass blocking let help that SUCKS. Don't care how many games that si what we have as of now till we see something saying otherwise.

That's crap. You've been shown multiple things saying otherwise based on his experience at CENTER, which is the position we're discussing. Your whole "known run blocker" narrative on Ethan has been blown to shreds. Grading a lineman based on a PFF grade for 22 snaps at an entirely different position is... hmm. I don't want to insult you, I'll insult the premise though - it's really, really, really, really dumb.

That would be the same thing as me finding a 22 snap sample size of a positively graded Ifedi game at right guard and saying it makes him a stud right tackle. It makes less than zero sense, and you know it.

 

[Maelstrom787]

787 is correct. Pocic was actually explicitly acknowledged as a known deviation from PC's normal run blocker template for OL. He was called a technician rather than a road grader. This was all over the place.

a technician who graded a 22 in pass blocking. so at this point that is what we have a technician who graded 22 in pass blocking to date. Heck if it was 50 which is still bad at least that si something but 22.

It's based on 22 snaps. That's not even close to a full game.

 

[Seymour]

Where do you get your "Facts" from *mod edit* :roll:

Fact: 0 sacks allowed in 2019 in 91 snaps.

(here is the last time he played center also)

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

That was after 2 games, and you ignore the season stats of NO SACKS in 91 snaps??!@ Useless having a discussion of "facts" with you I see... :roll:

Also you are ignoring he was best at his natural position, center.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ethan-pocic/11813

graded 22 you seem to focus on sacks, but guess what it was not a sack that injured Wilson a few years ago it was a hit. again graded 22 enough said

And you seem to focus on 2 damn games. Anyone can get a bad matchup and a couple bad plays in 22 will drag the ranking down. Useless discussion, he also played injured last season. Point is....Wait and see if he sucks at center rather than puking all over the place...

Between that and the warning....catch you all in another month. ukeface:

 

[John63]

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

Really? Pete Carroll, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, said that Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker and not a pass blocker?

Link it. Go ahead. As I recall somewhat vividly, they were mainly high on Pocic because of his perceived versatility, but please, prove me wrong with a link.

In the meantime, actual facts were provided to you. In response, you quoted an article from last year when he was playing an entirely different position. This thread is about Ethan Pocic -at center-, where he was an excellent lineman who allowed almost no pressure whatsoever in pass protection.

Anyway, here's the Seattle Times article from when Pocic was drafted. Spoiler: it doesn't say "Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker not pass blocker according to PC who evccen said it when they got him"

And here is the analysis from Pro Football Focus: “Pocic does a lot of things well and his ability to make difficult reach blocks make him a fit in any scheme. He’s sound in pass protection and even dabbled at offensive tackle to add some versatility, though he’ll get a shot to stick at center where he looks like one of the best the draft has to offer.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ond-round/

Doesn't sound like the dreaded "known run blocker" to me.

graded 22 in pass blocking let help that SUCKS. Don't care how many games that si what we have as of now till we see something saying otherwise.

That's crap. You've been shown multiple things saying otherwise based on his experience at CENTER, which is the position we're discussing. Your whole "known run blocker" narrative on Ethan has been blown to shreds. Grading a lineman based on a PFF grade for 22 snaps at an entirely different position is... hmm. I don't want to insult you, I'll insult the premise though - it's really, really, really, really dumb.

That would be the same thing as me finding a 22 snap sample size of a positively graded Ifedi game at right guard and saying it makes him a stud right tackle. It makes less than zero sense, and you know it.

its not cap it is his grade from his playing time as a pro, and he graded 22 all the stuff you guys are showing are form college or what people say. the FACT is he graded 22 as a pro. I mean what next you're going whip out his High school numbers? as a pro he graded 22 in pass protection done over. You can bitch about sample size all you want but that is all we have as a pro. he graded 22 maybe he will improve maybe not. As of now his Pro career he is a bad pass blocker. maybe that will chaneg we will see.

 

[John63]

787 is correct. Pocic was actually explicitly acknowledged as a known deviation from PC's normal run blocker template for OL. He was called a technician rather than a road grader. This was all over the place.

a technician who graded a 22 in pass blocking. so at this point that is what we have a technician who graded 22 in pass blocking to date. Heck if it was 50 which is still bad at least that si something but 22.

It's based on 22 snaps. That's not even close to a full game.

But its all we have, So what lets forget what we have as a pro and go back to college which means.....nothing. As a pro he sucks at pass blockign to date. period

 

[John63]

He was known as a run blocker not pass blocker PC evccen said it when they got him

"Ethan Pocic saw 22 snaps in pass protection as well, and earned a pass protection grade of 22."


https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...ains-a-huge-issue-for-seahawks-after-2-games/

That was after 2 games, and you ignore the season stats of NO SACKS in 91 snaps??!@ Useless having a discussion of "facts" with you I see... :roll:

Also you are ignoring he was best at his natural position, center.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ethan-pocic/11813

graded 22 you seem to focus on sacks, but guess what it was not a sack that injured Wilson a few years ago it was a hit. again graded 22 enough said

And you seem to focus on 2 damn games. Anyone can get a bad matchup and a couple bad plays in 22 will drag the ranking down. Useless discussion, he also played injured last season. Point is....Wait and see if he sucks at center rather than puking all over the place...

Between that and the warning....catch you all in another month. ukeface:

and you seemed focused on what he did in college and practice. Let's see real Pro game work or college and practice....hmm Yeah sorry pro trumps college and practice. Till he proves otherwise his pro stats show he is bad in pass protection. He could get better and for Wilson's sake I hope so, but right now sorry graded 22 and is bad. Also yes he could have had a bad matchup and he could have had what was easy, and he sucked. Again REAL PRO grade 22. College and practice sorry mean little.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Really? Pete Carroll, head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, said that Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker and not a pass blocker?

Link it. Go ahead. As I recall somewhat vividly, they were mainly high on Pocic because of his perceived versatility, but please, prove me wrong with a link.

In the meantime, actual facts were provided to you. In response, you quoted an article from last year when he was playing an entirely different position. This thread is about Ethan Pocic -at center-, where he was an excellent lineman who allowed almost no pressure whatsoever in pass protection.

Anyway, here's the Seattle Times article from when Pocic was drafted. Spoiler: it doesn't say "Ethan Pocic is a known run blocker not pass blocker according to PC who evccen said it when they got him"


https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ond-round/

Doesn't sound like the dreaded "known run blocker" to me.

graded 22 in pass blocking let help that SUCKS. Don't care how many games that si what we have as of now till we see something saying otherwise.

That's crap. You've been shown multiple things saying otherwise based on his experience at CENTER, which is the position we're discussing. Your whole "known run blocker" narrative on Ethan has been blown to shreds. Grading a lineman based on a PFF grade for 22 snaps at an entirely different position is... hmm. I don't want to insult you, I'll insult the premise though - it's really, really, really, really dumb.

That would be the same thing as me finding a 22 snap sample size of a positively graded Ifedi game at right guard and saying it makes him a stud right tackle. It makes less than zero sense, and you know it.

its not cap it is his grade from his playing time as a pro, and he graded 22 all the stuff you guys are showing are form college or what people say. the FACT is he graded 22 as a pro. I mean what next you're going whip out his High school numbers? as a pro he graded 22 in pass protection done over. You can bitch about sample size all you want but that is all we have as a pro. he graded 22 maybe he will improve maybe not. As of now his Pro career he is a bad pass blocker. maybe that will chaneg we will see.

He didn't grade 22 as a pro. He graded a 22 on a 22 snap sample size, which is about a 3rd of a full football game. It's a ridiculously low sample size, far too low to actually gain an understanding of a player. Not to mention, yet again, it was at an entirely different position than we're talking about currently. His most recent stuff at center is excellent college play showing near-best-in-nation pass blocking. You're being purposely obtuse, and if you honestly think Ethan Pocic has played 22 snaps as a pro, then you obviously have no authority on the subject.

What an awful, nonsensical string of posts you've made in this thread.

 

[John63]

Just to be clear, I hope he comes in and well is at least avg I would be happy with. However, to date his REAL PRO play is bad in pass blocking.

and FYI 28th https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season


and guess what they do it every year and every year we are near the bottom and every year that is where we end up. Form 2012-2015 I kept saying we will get better, but after 8 years till they prove it I don't buy it. And nothing in Pocics professional play shows him to be anything but bad in pass blocking