Is Pete Carroll out of touch?

[keasley45]

What Pete says, and what he does game day, never seem to be the same. He's been saying run first, control tempo for years now but will be the first to call a time out with 12 minutes left in the 1st quarter and then come out and run the ball on 3rd and 8 because they called bubble screens on and jet sweepson 1st and 2nd downs... so I'm sorry, but yes to me, Pete is no longer in tune with today's game.

THIS ^^^^

A) Pete doesn't call the plays.

B) The bubble screens have been used for a while to either get the running game on track, or, to settle Russ down and give him easy targets. So absent context, I'm not sure what point it makes. And... Pete doesn't call the plays.

C) Poor time management can be seen across the league every Sunday. True, Pete has his share of questionable use but some of that is slow plays coming in...and Pete doesn't send in the plays. But that's definitely a weakness.

D) We are talking about whether Pete has been passed by. Citing an anecdotal example from some point last year, when this year, he's assembled what's looking to be a pretty formidable defense despite the calls for his head just 3 weeks ago, seems to clearly understand the stupidity of the current non peteball, non winning offensive playcalling, which if corrected, would have likely resulted in 2 or more wins by this point at least is hardly making a case he should go. AND it was his 'meddling' that salvaged a season last year that was starting to look a lot like what we saw Sunday against GB or a few weeks ago against Minnesota...

But I do agree that if Pete can't get Wilson to play ball to the level at which he is being compensated, or fire his OC on the spot the next time he allows him to call passes 4:1, that the game has passed him by and he should step aside immediately.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Yes.

But that doesn't mean a coach like Pete can't exist in the modern NFL. Pete's problem is he's trying to keep Russell happy while undermining and meddling creating a lack of continuity and identity, and that's really the disconnect and dysfunction with what we're seeing now with this team. No identity.

You wanna run the ball and play lights out defense Pete? Then trade Russell for 2-3 1st rounders, draft a young QB or go find a Tannehill or Fitzpatrick type cheap game manager. Then build your team around a bell cow back and commit 70% of the cap to the defense.

This. But I think Tannehill is a little better than Fitz, a little more than a manager and the ideal fit for what would work best here (the prototype)

Fitz has too much variance to his game

 

[Maelstrom787]

What Pete says, and what he does game day, never seem to be the same. He's been saying run first, control tempo for years now but will be the first to call a time out with 12 minutes left in the 1st quarter and then come out and run the ball on 3rd and 8 because they called bubble screens on and jet sweepson 1st and 2nd downs... so I'm sorry, but yes to me, Pete is no longer in tune with today's game.

THIS ^^^^

So, what you're saying is that Pete Carroll doesn't meddle enough, and he should mandate a reversion to a tempo-controlling rushing attack?

Hm. Looks like Let Russ Cook flew too close to the sun. Interesting how quickly you'll completely switch ideologies from LRC to implying that Pete should actually meddle more, with a more rush-centered offense if it helps Russell out (which, by the way, us "RUSS HATERS" have been saying from the start).

 

[LTH]

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LTH

 

[OrangeGravy]

What Pete says, and what he does game day, never seem to be the same. He's been saying run first, control tempo for years now but will be the first to call a time out with 12 minutes left in the 1st quarter and then come out and run the ball on 3rd and 8 because they called bubble screens on and jet sweepson 1st and 2nd downs... so I'm sorry, but yes to me, Pete is no longer in tune with today's game.

Pete might call the timeout, but he doesn't call the plays.

This narrative will ever die. Just like Pete's offense is outdated, as if Pete actually an offense as opposed to a general football philosophy

 

[misfit]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

 

[Maelstrom787]

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

Well, I would only be in favor of trading him for that 3 firsts package if each is within the top 16, where the odds of picking up a non-bust are significantly higher.

Not that I'm defending their overall record in the first round - but when you're picking like 9th instead of 28th, the odds are significantly more in the drafting teams favor. In fact, every top 16 pick this regime has ever made has been a hit, with Bruce being a very mild hit and Okung/Thomas being great picks.

Not to mention, that surplus of assets can lead to some serious dividends otherwise. Trade downs, players, etc.

 

[toffee]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

Wrong FOUR not three first rounder. Russ is a generational talent, franchise QB, first ballot HOF. 4 not 3 first rounder.

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[John63]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

This^^^^

 

[keasley45]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

If russel wilson keeps exposing himself over the last half of the season, we'd be lucky to get 1 first round pick. Other franchises aren't going to be romanticizing 2013 either.

 

[Maelstrom787]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

If russel wilson keeps exposing himself over the last half of the season, we'd be lucky to get 1 first round pick. Other franchises aren't going to be romanticizing 2013 either.

The Vikings traded a first and fourth for Sam Bradford. I agree that his value may decline, but they can probably get Roseman to sell the farm anyway if it comes to that.

 

[Jville]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

So called bell cows are an endangered species. No running back is going to see 17 games in 2021. Seahawks Coaches described it as a running back by committee position a number of years ago.

 

[keasley45]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

This^^^^

They ran successfully against the Steelers. They struggled against the #1 run defense. And they ran successfully against the packers. THEY'VE RUN SUCCESSFULLY ALL YEAR.

Their starting backs this year average 4.3 yards per carry, that's with the Saints game and ironically the same YPC average Marshawn Lynch had in our Superbowl winning season..

Last year our starting backs averaged 4.5 ypc.

So what in the world are you talking about??

They found a bellcow back, he's just been injured, and even with his injuries, his backup has managed to keep the ypc above what we averaged during our championship season. Seems it should be enough, no?

FACTS

Problem is Russball doesn't like to give the ball to anyone but #14 & #16. If he does, he stands to come across as just a game manager.

 

[misfit]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

This^^^^

They ran successfully against the Steelers. They struggled against the #1 run defense. And they ran successfully against the packers. THEY'VE RUN SUCCESSFULLY ALL YEAR.

Their starting backs this year average 4.3 yards per carry, that's with the Saints game and ironically the same YPC average Marshawn Lynch had in our Superbowl winning season..

Last year our starting backs averaged 4.5 ypc.

So what in the world are you talking about??

They found a bellcow back, he's just been injured, and even with his injuries, his backup has managed to keep the ypc above what we averaged during our championship season. Seems it should be enough, no?

FACTS

Problem is Russball doesn't like to give the ball to anyone but #14 & #16. If he does, he stands to come across as just a game manager.

If your bellcow is injured all the time, hes not an effective bellcow. Carson didnt deserve another contract and it was a terrible move by a front office desperate for a run game. our run game is uncreative and boring. we have an oc problem and an offense that is out of touch. we have a defensive coach that dictates the offense. none of it works.

 

[keasley45]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably. Carson is not that back either.

This team thought they found that run game in the 2nd half of the pittsburgh game (which they still lost)

They came out in the Saints game and ran into brick walls (sound familiar) and lost again.

So once again we can romanticize 2013 all we want thats not necesarily the answer.

We gonna trade the best QB for 3 1st rounders, which this regime has no clue what to do with and continue to destroy this franchise even further?

This^^^^

They ran successfully against the Steelers. They struggled against the #1 run defense. And they ran successfully against the packers. THEY'VE RUN SUCCESSFULLY ALL YEAR.

Their starting backs this year average 4.3 yards per carry, that's with the Saints game and ironically the same YPC average Marshawn Lynch had in our Superbowl winning season..

Last year our starting backs averaged 4.5 ypc.

So what in the world are you talking about??

They found a bellcow back, he's just been injured, and even with his injuries, his backup has managed to keep the ypc above what we averaged during our championship season. Seems it should be enough, no?

FACTS

Problem is Russball doesn't like to give the ball to anyone but #14 & #16. If he does, he stands to come across as just a game manager.

If your bellcow is injured all the time, hes not an effective bellcow. Carson didnt deserve another contract and it was a terrible move by a front office desperate for a run game. our run game is uncreative and boring. we have an oc problem and an offense that is out of touch. we have a defensive coach that dictates the offense. none of it works.

No?

These are all just words. The point is their star backbis injured and their team is still good enough to put up rushing numbers good enough to win a championship. And if that's fact and it is, based on production when we actually choose to run, then what's the gripe. You don't get points for entertaining all the fans. You win by rushing for 4.2 ypc which we've exceeded every year Carson has been here.

The OCs problem is he's handcuffed by Wilson's limitations. There's only but so much scheming you can do around them. And Pete has unfortunately let Russ have his way.

The offensive strategy we want to run is what Tennessee runs. It's not 'flashy 'but they're first in the AFC without Henry and oh, btw, clobbered the Rams with their outdated style. You know who also runs an run based scheme? San Fran, who also just destroyed the Rams by running 40 times. Our offense is broken because in a 3-0 game we PASS 40 times and run designed runs 11 times.

There has been zero evidence that that was dictated by Pete and would be crazy to think so as it's antithetical to his philosophy... which is most of what this season has been on offense.

And to the bellcow comment. How many teams in the league have a bellcow? Give me that list of front offices that have been soooo much more effective than us in finding the golden goose. The vast majority of teams do the same thing we do so the pointbis moot.

The measuring stick is production. 4.2 ypc is more than adequate. Its downright good. Our QB just won't let it happen.

 

[keasley45]

As a team last year we averaged 4.8 ypc over the season . 5th in the league... and we don't even try to run. Again, I don't understand your logic. I guess we should blow it up because we aren't TOP 4?

BTW, the Bucs averaged 4.1 last year.

The year before, we averaged 4.6 ypc. Good for Top 10 rushing.

So we go from 10, to 4th, and this year we start the season on the same top 5 pace and stop running.... so we can throw ourselves into losses.

Yeah. That's Pete's offense.

 

[John63]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably.
If your bellcow is injured all the time, hes not an effective bellcow. Carson didnt deserve another contract and it was a terrible move by a front office desperate for a run game. our run game is uncreative and boring. we have an oc problem and an offense that is out of touch. we have a defensive coach that dictates the offense. none of it works.

Bingo

 

[keasley45]

So our running game is top 5 last year. Our defense finished Top 10 over the 2nd half.

This year, solid run game and turning defense again.
Yet last in avg drive duration at 2:18. Last in plays per possession at 5.01 and next to last in yards per offensive possession at 26.9. And RW is one of the worst if not worst in 3rd down conversion.

The only part of the team not working at the moment is the one he surrendered control of.

 

[keasley45]

This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably.
If your bellcow is injured all the time, hes not an effective bellcow. Carson didnt deserve another contract and it was a terrible move by a front office desperate for a run game. our run game is uncreative and boring. we have an oc problem and an offense that is out of touch. we have a defensive coach that dictates the offense. none of it works.

Bingo

Lmao.

Boingo

 

[toffee]

As a team last year we averaged 4.8 ypc over the season . 5th in the league... and we don't even try to run. Again, I don't understand your logic. I guess we should blow it up because we aren't TOP 4?

BTW, the Bucs averaged 4.1 last year.

The year before, we averaged 4.6 ypc. Good for Top 10 rushing.

So we go from 10, to 4th, and this year we start the season on the same top 5 pace and stop running.... so we can throw ourselves into losses.

Yeah. That's Pete's offense.

Interesting, how was our running game in Geno games?