Kam PI was BS

[SFVikeFan]

The call was not legit in any way shape or form for the simple fact the damn ball wasn't involved in the play , I don't think it was even in the air when contact was initiated from the offensive player. So how is that PI answer it wasn't . It was just a horrible call that thankfully didn't cost us the game . The Vikings didn't deserve to win that game they couldn't even score a TD at home .

Now now don't be sour grapes, seeing you guys whine about one penalty is pretty silly when you look at the last game and the several ridiculous penalties that went against us. The fact is you can look up the rules and the link I posted that has a video description by Dean Blandino describing exactly what Kam did - he's not allowed to cut off a WR's route or it's a penalty. Kam bit on Rudolph turning outside, and when Rudolph stepped back inside Kam prevented Rudolph from turning back inside. Right or wrong that gets flagged on the defensive player more often than not around the NFL.

And didn't deserve to win? Uh, so Seattle "deserved" it more? Not trying to be a jerk but our defense shut down Wilson the entire game. The only points you scored came on a ridiculously lucky broken play with Wilson getting the ball snapped over his shoulder, ran around and noticed our #5 CB Robinson just bailed on his coverage of Lockett for some reason and was left standing all by himself. Then a 3 yd TD with same #5 CB lined up on your #1 WR. Your other points came off an AP fumble to give you the ball on the 40.

Seattle didn't "deserve" our Kicker to get the yips from 27 yards out either. They simply got lucky.

 

[HawkGA]

In his MMQB, Peter King pretty much said it was a crap call too.

 

[HawkGA]

The call was not legit in any way shape or form for the simple fact the damn ball wasn't involved in the play , I don't think it was even in the air when contact was initiated from the offensive player. So how is that PI answer it wasn't . It was just a horrible call that thankfully didn't cost us the game . The Vikings didn't deserve to win that game they couldn't even score a TD at home .

Now now don't be sour grapes, seeing you guys whine about one penalty is pretty silly when you look at the last game and the several ridiculous penalties that went against us. The fact is you can look up the rules and the link I posted that has a video description by Dean Blandino describing exactly what Kam did - he's not allowed to cut off a WR's route or it's a penalty. Kam bit on Rudolph turning outside, and when Rudolph stepped back inside Kam prevented Rudolph from turning back inside. That gets flagged all the time around the NFL.

And didn't deserve to win? Uh, so Seattle "deserved" it more? Not trying to be a jerk but our defense shut down Wilson the entire game. The only points you scored came on a ridiculously lucky broken play with Wilson getting the ball snapped over his shoulder, ran around and noticed our #5 CB Robinson just bailed on his coverage of Lockett for some reason and was left standing all by himself. Then a 3 yd TD with same #5 CB lined up on your #1 WR. Your other points came off an AP fumble to give you the ball on the 40.

Seattle didn't "deserve" our Kicker to get the yips from 27 yards out either. They simply got lucky.

He didn't cut off any route. He stood there.

 

[hawk45]

Kam does get caught leaning to the outside from the initial move. IMO, Rudolph had Kam beat to the inside at that point if he cuts hard.

Instead it appears Rudolph just barely changed direction enough to get Kam to shift his weight, then initiates contact with Kam and then after contact tried to sell it as Kam being the reason he couldn't make an aggressive inside cut.

Sure looked like the old Detlef Schrempf move where he positions himself so that he flops his arms through contact he initiated to create the impression of a foul.

 

[TDOTSEAHAWK]

The call was 100% pass intereference.

As per the NFL rulebook:

ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are pass interference
include, but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch.

Kam was NOT playing the ball.

With regards to the idea that it is Kam's space - that only applies if he is making an attempt for the ball - which he wasn't.


ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR.

(e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.


To answer the question of what Kam is supposed to do. He should have turned and run or made an attempt for the ball and not hit the guy 15 yards downfield.

On a side note, his play was legal in the CFL where you do have a 1 yard halo around you that you are entitled to.

In conclusion, it is a crap NFL rule - not a crap call.

 

[twisted_steel2]

To answer the question of what Kam is supposed to do. He should have turned and run or made an attempt for the ball and not hit the guy 15 yards downfield.

On a side note, his play was legal in the CFL where you do have a 1 yard halo around you that you are entitled to.

In conclusion, it is a crap NFL rule - not a crap call.

He didn't "hit" him, he got run over.

This is Kam hitting someone:

When Kam hits someone, you know it.

 

[purpleneer]

There were a number of BS calls by the refs - Kam's DPI, Sherman's DPI, and Avril's roughing the passer. The refs are a joke. A divine intervention occurred and justice prevailed. The Seahawks were playing the weather elements, Vikings, and refs today. They overcame all.

This here is evidence of a lack of objectivity. I initially thought the same on Sherm's, but one replay showed a pretty blatant yank. And Avril's was rather minor contact, but it was late enough that it's going to be called in today's NFL.
But yeah, Kam's PI is one of those ridiculous ones where the receiver commits the violation but gets the call.

 

[purpleneer]

The call was 100% pass intereference.

As per the NFL rulebook:

ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR. Acts that are pass interference
include, but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch.

Kam was NOT playing the ball.

With regards to the idea that it is Kam's space - that only applies if he is making an attempt for the ball - which he wasn't.


ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR.

(e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.


To answer the question of what Kam is supposed to do. He should have turned and run or made an attempt for the ball and not hit the guy 15 yards downfield.

On a side note, his play was legal in the CFL where you do have a 1 yard halo around you that you are entitled to.

In conclusion, it is a crap NFL rule - not a crap call.

Um. What were you watching? How is standing ground seen as making contact? I think you're ignoring the part of that rule that classifies those acts regardless of being an offensive or defensive player (or are you arguing that Rudolph has gained position and is playing the ball). How are you reading that Kam is only entitled to his space while playing the ball? That directly implies an obligation to vacate. As far saying saying Kam should have "not hit the guy 15 yards downfield," he didn't hit the guy; that was the offensive player who did the hitting.

 

[fenderbender123]

WRs will make sudden changes of direction and the DBs have to make split-second decisions on how they react because they have no idea what the WR is going to do, and that's why they run into each other. That's why almost all of the time this rightfully isn't flagged. It should only be flagged when the route is obvious...in other words when the WR is continuously running in one direction and the DB can easily anticipate where the WR is going and then jump in his way. Or like if the DB is running down the sideline in front of the WR with the ball in the air and the DB suddenly stops or slows way down so that the WR can't maintain enough speed to get to the ball. Otherwise the rule is basically saying that the DB needs to know exactly what route the WR is running so that he can move out of the way when there's a change of direction. That would be stupid. Besides, it would be very possibly for a WR to purposely run into a DB on every play and draw a cheap flag...because hey that was his route and he was in the way!

And not that it matters, but on top of that, I sure as hell don't see Rudolph changing directions before Kam does. It looks like it happens at exactly the same time, or at least so close that it should be considered mutual. Let the players decide the game, especially late in the 4th quarter with a 1 point difference in score, and especially because it's pass interference which is a spot foul.

Dean Blandino got this one wrong. Hopefully it doesn't change precedent in these situations...

 

[Hawkpower]

The call was not legit in any way shape or form for the simple fact the damn ball wasn't involved in the play , I don't think it was even in the air when contact was initiated from the offensive player. So how is that PI answer it wasn't . It was just a horrible call that thankfully didn't cost us the game . The Vikings didn't deserve to win that game they couldn't even score a TD at home .

Now now don't be sour grapes, seeing you guys whine about one penalty is pretty silly when you look at the last game and the several ridiculous penalties that went against us. The fact is you can look up the rules and the link I posted that has a video description by Dean Blandino describing exactly what Kam did - he's not allowed to cut off a WR's route or it's a penalty. Kam bit on Rudolph turning outside, and when Rudolph stepped back inside Kam prevented Rudolph from turning back inside. Right or wrong that gets flagged on the defensive player more often than not around the NFL.

And didn't deserve to win? Uh, so Seattle "deserved" it more? Not trying to be a jerk but our defense shut down Wilson the entire game. The only points you scored came on a ridiculously lucky broken play with Wilson getting the ball snapped over his shoulder, ran around and noticed our #5 CB Robinson just bailed on his coverage of Lockett for some reason and was left standing all by himself. Then a 3 yd TD with same #5 CB lined up on your #1 WR. Your other points came off an AP fumble to give you the ball on the 40.

Seattle didn't "deserve" our Kicker to get the yips from 27 yards out either. They simply got lucky.

We could play this game all day. Did the Vikings "deserve" to get three free points because our punter inexplicably decided to run with a low snap?

Fact is, defensive PI is one of the more debilitating penalties, especially on a deep ball and offenses that can't move the ball at all (yours) know it. So the best way to jumpstart a do or die drive? Trick the ref into drawing a flag.

Sadly it worked. Luckily, the refs mistake didnt impact the outcome.

 

[Barakas]

Read the sports stories from yesterday and this morning. Far more people think the DPI was BS than those that thought it was fair.

Any arguments on this forum aren't going to sway that the majority of football fans and analysts felt the ref blew it by throwing a flag.

 

[Hawkstorian]

A call like that is ONLY made on Seattle in that situation just complete and total BS call.

I never know to take comments like this seriously.

Fans of all 32 teams assume the refs hate them. You get that, right?

 

[twisted_steel2]

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawk ... or-penalty

"I called the league office to find out what their interpretation of that was," Carroll said. "It’s so close because the defender has his right to his area, and the receiver is supposed to have to avoid to get by. As Rudolph was avoiding, Kam’s right hand came up, so his hand was outside here. They hit head to head. He made a move and came right into him, and Kam’s hand came up. That’s what they saw, so that’s what they called.

"Had his hand been inside, then that didn’t need to be a call because Kam was in his own space, and the receiver needs to be trying to avoid. They would have just overlooked that. They wouldn’t have called it usually. They wouldn’t have called it offensive interference, they wouldn’t call it defensive. They would just call it incidental. Because his hand was out there, it gave the guy a reason to make the call."

So the NFL is saying it was Kam's hand that came up that gave them the reason to call it. But when a receiver runs directly into you, your hands will naturally come up right? unno:

 

[themunn]

(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch.
Kam was NOT playing the ball.

Rudolph wasn't playing the ball and restricted Kam's opportunity to make the catch (Kam is clearly moving into the path of the ball)

 

[AbsolutNET]

Its DPI in the same way a ball carrier grabbing a defenders hand, putting it on his facemask, squeezing and pulling is a personal foul.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

I've said it before, it was a tough call. It could have gone as DPI or no call.

Ask 100 Viking fans, 90 of them will say DPI.

Ask 100 Seahawk fans, 90 of them will say no call or OPI.

That's the nature of the beast.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

It makes more sense why they called it but a hand coming up does not trump getting trucked over by a receiver. It was OPI any way you cut it. All you people who want to take the lawyers angle for it really must not really like the game. Just watching it is obvious. But I do understand refs make mistakes and that is part of the game. Still sucks.

 

[DTexHawk]

Kam does get caught leaning to the outside from the initial move. IMO, Rudolph had Kam beat to the inside at that point if he cuts hard.

Instead it appears Rudolph just barely changed direction enough to get Kam to shift his weight, then initiates contact with Kam and then after contact tried to sell it as Kam being the reason he couldn't make an aggressive inside cut.

Sure looked like the old Detlef Schrempf move where he positions himself so that he flops his arms through contact he initiated to create the impression of a foul.

:th2thumbs: :th2thumbs: :th2thumbs: :th2thumbs: :th2thumbs:
for the Detlef Schrempf reference.

 

[253hawk]

Even Pete thought it was BS...and it's not like he calls the league office regularly. WR's do not have right-of-way through a defender's occupied space.

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawk ... or-penalty