More than 6 WR?

[Hawkfan77]

8 legitimate keepable players. This will be a fun position to keep an eye on

 

[seahawk12thman]

Sitting out the season isn't going to cure a nagging nuisance of an ailment that Norwood has had since HS and that he's otherwise been able to play through just fine in college. The college off-seasons were much longer than the NFL season and those rests didn't help, so a few months away now seems unlikely to be the elixir. Plus, Norwood is an over-aged rookie, as he's entering his age-25 season, so they can't really afford to red-shirt him for a year during what should otherwise be the physical prime of his career, unless his foot was to become significantly more debilitated than it currently is.

Not true, see Jesse Williams.

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

Sitting out the season isn't going to cure a nagging nuisance of an ailment that Norwood has had since HS and that he's otherwise been able to play through just fine in college. The college off-seasons were much longer than the NFL season and those rests didn't help, so a few months away now seems unlikely to be the elixir. Plus, Norwood is an over-aged rookie, as he's entering his age-25 season, so they can't really afford to red-shirt him for a year during what should otherwise be the physical prime of his career, unless his foot was to become significantly more debilitated than it currently is.

Not true, see Jesse Williams.

Kevin Norwood isn't Jesse Williams, nor are their injury histories/situations even remotely comparable. Norwood has general/occasional soreness in his foot that he'll likely have to deal with for the rest of his life as the after-effects of an injury from 6 years ago. Williams had a major/structural knee injury that required an additional surgical procedure last season.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Does anyone think there is a chance that we keep more than the expected 6 WR's? What position would you subtract depth from in order to carry the extra WR? Is there one WR that would make it worth it in your opinion?

I think it is possible, it depends the lock are Harvin 5'11", Kearse 6'1", Baldwin 5'10", Norwood 6'2", Richardson 6'0". After that it is between Lockette 6'2", Presley 6'4", Matthews 6'5", mainly I see height. As to were we might keep less, TE, FB, QB. Presley looks like he could play both TE and Wr so maybe there is your reason.

Not to burst your bubble but I don't think the Seahawks care one iota if a WR is tall or not. They'll choose the best players and the best WRs that work well with Wilson especially when things breakdown.

Obviously you have the first 5: Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, Norwood who will likely make it barring injury.

Then the 3 WRs competing for a 6th spot (if the keep one) is Lockette, Bates, and Walters.

Then the best of the rest are Arceto Clark and the rising Kevin Smith.

The Seahawks aren't simply going to keep Presley and Matthews just because they are tall WRs, they have to compete, they have have to earn it. And thus far both aren't even the top 10 of 14 WRs.

 

[seahawk12thman]

Sitting out the season isn't going to cure a nagging nuisance of an ailment that Norwood has had since HS and that he's otherwise been able to play through just fine in college. The college off-seasons were much longer than the NFL season and those rests didn't help, so a few months away now seems unlikely to be the elixir. Plus, Norwood is an over-aged rookie, as he's entering his age-25 season, so they can't really afford to red-shirt him for a year during what should otherwise be the physical prime of his career, unless his foot was to become significantly more debilitated than it currently is.

Not true, see Jesse Williams.

Kevin Norwood isn't Jesse Williams, nor are their injury histories/situations even remotely comparable.

And you are a doctor? I didn't say he was going to go on ir but it is concerning when a foot injury from high school (which was operated on I might add) is still bothering him 5 years later. I hope I am wrong..

 

[brimsalabim]

Sitting out the season isn't going to cure a nagging nuisance of an ailment that Norwood has had since HS and that he's otherwise been able to play through just fine in college. The college off-seasons were much longer than the NFL season and those rests didn't help, so a few months away now seems unlikely to be the elixir. Plus, Norwood is an over-aged rookie, as he's entering his age-25 season, so they can't really afford to red-shirt him for a year during what should otherwise be the physical prime of his career, unless his foot was to become significantly more debilitated than it currently is.

Not true, see Jesse Williams.

@johnpboyle 11:25am
DT Jesse Williams leaving the field on a cart. #Seahawks

What did you do?

 

[Basis4day]

Sitting out the season isn't going to cure a nagging nuisance of an ailment that Norwood has had since HS and that he's otherwise been able to play through just fine in college. The college off-seasons were much longer than the NFL season and those rests didn't help, so a few months away now seems unlikely to be the elixir. Plus, Norwood is an over-aged rookie, as he's entering his age-25 season, so they can't really afford to red-shirt him for a year during what should otherwise be the physical prime of his career, unless his foot was to become significantly more debilitated than it currently is.

Not true, see Jesse Williams.

Kevin Norwood isn't Jesse Williams, nor are their injury histories/situations even remotely comparable.

And you are a doctor? I didn't say he was going to go on ir but it is concerning when a foot injury from high school (which was operated on I might add) is still bothering him 5 years later. I hope I am wrong..

You said you had a feeling he was going to go on IR. Since he is practicing again i think we can agree your feeling was premature. It really isn't worth it to worry or be concerned about HS injuries. Again, every single football player in the NFL has an injury history.

 

[Anthony!]

Does anyone think there is a chance that we keep more than the expected 6 WR's? What position would you subtract depth from in order to carry the extra WR? Is there one WR that would make it worth it in your opinion?

I think it is possible, it depends the lock are Harvin 5'11", Kearse 6'1", Baldwin 5'10", Norwood 6'2", Richardson 6'0". After that it is between Lockette 6'2", Presley 6'4", Matthews 6'5", mainly I see height. As to were we might keep less, TE, FB, QB. Presley looks like he could play both TE and Wr so maybe there is your reason.

Not to burst your bubble but I don't think the Seahawks care one iota if a WR is tall or not. They'll choose the best players and the best WRs that work well with Wilson especially when things breakdown.

Obviously you have the first 5: Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Richardson, Norwood who will likely make it barring injury.

Then the 3 WRs competing for a 6th spot (if the keep one) is Lockette, Bates, and Walters.

Then the best of the rest are Arceto Clark and the rising Kevin Smith.

The Seahawks aren't simply going to keep Presley and Matthews just because they are tall WRs, they have to compete, they have have to earn it. And thus far both aren't even the top 10 of 14 WRs.

Dude it is well documented they have been looking for a big receiver for some time. Unless a smaller wr really blows the door off size will matter.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Well documented by whom...the FANS? I can't remember PC/JS ever stating they absolutely must have a big WR. They've more or less cut those guys in the last 2 years or let them walk away: 6-5 BMW, 6-4 Durham, 6-1 Obomanu, 6-1 Harper, 6-5 Williams, and 6-3 Rice.

And drafting a big WR didn't seem like a priority in a draft full of them.

So to me height doesn't take the precedent over actual ability.

Beside a lot of you guys are still underrating Luke Willson, who is probably the best WR on team over 6'1.

And now that McCoy likely won't play, you're looking at one of the athletic receiving TEs making the roster who more or less are "BIG WRs"

Cooper Helfet, Rashaun Allen, and presumably Morrell Presley (since he's been practicing at TE).

 

[jake206]

Bates may be a good backup WR, but special teams is much more important than being the 5th or 6th best WR. Lockette has that sown up.

 

[Anthony!]

Well documented by whom...the FANS? I can't remember PC/JS ever stating they absolutely must have a big WR. They've more or less cut those guys in the last 2 years or let them walk away: 6-5 BMW, 6-4 Durham, 6-1 Obomanu, 6-1 Harper, 6-5 Williams, and 6-3 Rice.

And drafting a big WR didn't seem like a priority in a draft full of them.

So to me height doesn't take the precedent over actual ability.

Beside a lot of you guys are still underrating Luke Willson, who is probably the best WR on team over 6'1.

And now that McCoy likely won't play, you're looking at one of the athletic receiving TEs making the roster who more or less are "BIG WRs"

Cooper Helfet, Rashaun Allen, and presumably Morrell Presley (since he's been practicing at TE).

Okay so we are going to play word games now, absolutely, really I said they have been looking for a big wr for some time. I also stated unless a smaller one blows the door off size will matter. Yes ability will matter but so will size, if you have 2 wr for one spot 1 is under 6 foot the other over 6 foot, and everything else is equal you will take the bigger guy. Even if everything else is not equal and the under 6 foot is slightly better but you already have 2 guys who can do what that under 6 foot wr can do, you will go with the bigger wr because you do not have a bunch of big wr.

By the way Norwood is 6'2 " that is big, we also signed a 6'5" guy as well seems like size was a factor

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawk ... y-consider

http://www.nwsportsbeat.com/seahawks/th ... art-12714/

There are more, if you go on KJR and look at some of the links to their shows softy talked with PC before the draft about a big WR and he said yes they would like to get one, hence Norwood.

So yeah they want a big WR especially in the red zone, as to the TE no one is forgetting them but hey are TE not WR.

 

[chris98251]

Well documented by whom...the FANS? I can't remember PC/JS ever stating they absolutely must have a big WR. They've more or less cut those guys in the last 2 years or let them walk away: 6-5 BMW, 6-4 Durham, 6-1 Obomanu, 6-1 Harper, 6-5 Williams, and 6-3 Rice.

And drafting a big WR didn't seem like a priority in a draft full of them.

So to me height doesn't take the precedent over actual ability.

Beside a lot of you guys are still underrating Luke Willson, who is probably the best WR on team over 6'1.

And now that McCoy likely won't play, you're looking at one of the athletic receiving TEs making the roster who more or less are "BIG WRs"

Cooper Helfet, Rashaun Allen, and presumably Morrell Presley (since he's been practicing at TE).

Pete has said they are looking for certain body types for different positions, he has been trying to find someone to be Sidney Rice before Sidney Rice, He got Sidney Rice and he has been hurt, he is looking for his replacement. The whole mantra of this team is bigger and faster, has been since day one. It is Known.

 

[seahawk12thman]

You said you had a feeling he was going to go on IR. Since he is practicing again i think we can agree your feeling was premature. It really isn't worth it to worry or be concerned about HS injuries. Again, every single football player in the NFL has an injury history.

Looks like my intuition maybe right. I am starting to think Kevin Norwood will indeed be on IR before it's done.



http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/ ... e-surgery/

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Well documented by whom...the FANS? I can't remember PC/JS ever stating they absolutely must have a big WR. They've more or less cut those guys in the last 2 years or let them walk away: 6-5 BMW, 6-4 Durham, 6-1 Obomanu, 6-1 Harper, 6-5 Williams, and 6-3 Rice.

And drafting a big WR didn't seem like a priority in a draft full of them.

So to me height doesn't take the precedent over actual ability.

Beside a lot of you guys are still underrating Luke Willson, who is probably the best WR on team over 6'1.

And now that McCoy likely won't play, you're looking at one of the athletic receiving TEs making the roster who more or less are "BIG WRs"

Cooper Helfet, Rashaun Allen, and presumably Morrell Presley (since he's been practicing at TE).

Pete has said they are looking for certain body types for different positions, he has been trying to find someone to be Sidney Rice before Sidney Rice, He got Sidney Rice and he has been hurt, he is looking for his replacement. The whole mantra of this team is bigger and faster, has been since day one. It is Known.

Still hasn't stopped those them from cutting those guys and moving on going with talent over height.

I'm not saying they aren't looking for those types of players, all I'm saying is they aren't going single out WRs for the 6th spot based on their prototype... the best WRs will make the team.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Well documented by whom...the FANS? I can't remember PC/JS ever stating they absolutely must have a big WR. They've more or less cut those guys in the last 2 years or let them walk away: 6-5 BMW, 6-4 Durham, 6-1 Obomanu, 6-1 Harper, 6-5 Williams, and 6-3 Rice.

And drafting a big WR didn't seem like a priority in a draft full of them.

So to me height doesn't take the precedent over actual ability.

Beside a lot of you guys are still underrating Luke Willson, who is probably the best WR on team over 6'1.

And now that McCoy likely won't play, you're looking at one of the athletic receiving TEs making the roster who more or less are "BIG WRs"

Cooper Helfet, Rashaun Allen, and presumably Morrell Presley (since he's been practicing at TE).

Okay so we are going to play word games now, absolutely, really I said they have been looking for a big wr for some time. I also stated unless a smaller one blows the door off size will matter. Yes ability will matter but so will size, if you have 2 wr for one spot 1 is under 6 foot the other over 6 foot, and everything else is equal you will take the bigger guy. Even if everything else is not equal and the under 6 foot is slightly better but you already have 2 guys who can do what that under 6 foot wr can do, you will go with the bigger wr because you do not have a bunch of big wr.

By the way Norwood is 6'2 " that is big, we also signed a 6'5" guy as well seems like size was a factor

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawk ... y-consider

http://www.nwsportsbeat.com/seahawks/th ... art-12714/

There are more, if you go on KJR and look at some of the links to their shows softy talked with PC before the draft about a big WR and he said yes they would like to get one, hence Norwood.

So yeah they want a big WR especially in the red zone, as to the TE no one is forgetting them but hey are TE not WR.

Norwood is big in the sense that he's lengthy... but he's only 200 pounds with not much strength. By those standards big, strong WRs like 6-2, 210 Lockette, 6-1 210 Kearse, and 6-1, 220 Baldwin are gigantic.

 

[hawknation2014]

Norwood is big in the sense that he's lengthy... but he's only 200 pounds with not much strength. By those standards big, strong WRs like 6-2, 210 Lockette, 6-1 210 Kearse, and 6-1, 220 Baldwin are gigantic.

Huh? When did Baldwin become 6-1, 220?

6'2, 200 is plenty big, and Norwood will only get stronger under Carlisle's conditioning program.

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[Anthony!]

Well documented by whom...the FANS? I can't remember PC/JS ever stating they absolutely must have a big WR. They've more or less cut those guys in the last 2 years or let them walk away: 6-5 BMW, 6-4 Durham, 6-1 Obomanu, 6-1 Harper, 6-5 Williams, and 6-3 Rice.

And drafting a big WR didn't seem like a priority in a draft full of them.

So to me height doesn't take the precedent over actual ability.

Beside a lot of you guys are still underrating Luke Willson, who is probably the best WR on team over 6'1.

And now that McCoy likely won't play, you're looking at one of the athletic receiving TEs making the roster who more or less are "BIG WRs"

Cooper Helfet, Rashaun Allen, and presumably Morrell Presley (since he's been practicing at TE).

Okay so we are going to play word games now, absolutely, really I said they have been looking for a big wr for some time. I also stated unless a smaller one blows the door off size will matter. Yes ability will matter but so will size, if you have 2 wr for one spot 1 is under 6 foot the other over 6 foot, and everything else is equal you will take the bigger guy. Even if everything else is not equal and the under 6 foot is slightly better but you already have 2 guys who can do what that under 6 foot wr can do, you will go with the bigger wr because you do not have a bunch of big wr.

By the way Norwood is 6'2 " that is big, we also signed a 6'5" guy as well seems like size was a factor

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawk ... y-consider

http://www.nwsportsbeat.com/seahawks/th ... art-12714/

There are more, if you go on KJR and look at some of the links to their shows softy talked with PC before the draft about a big WR and he said yes they would like to get one, hence Norwood.

So yeah they want a big WR especially in the red zone, as to the TE no one is forgetting them but hey are TE not WR.

Norwood is big in the sense that he's lengthy... but he's only 200 pounds with not much strength. By those standards big, strong WRs like 6-2, 210 Lockette, 6-1 210 Kearse, and 6-1, 220 Baldwin are gigantic.

Norwood is 6'2" and has a history in college of making the in traffic, tough catches and with his length playing bigger, he as already been one of the good parts of camp. Baldwin is not 6-1 he is 5-10 and he is not 220 he is 189, Lockette is 6-2 but has also shown he cannot make in the traffic catches. By the way were did you get the not much strength from? All they have talked about is how Norwoods catches everything with in 10 yards of him and in traffic to include taking it away form Sherman on more than one occasion. AJ Green is 6-4 but only 207 I guess he is not big either, 6-2 and 200 with his length is plenty big enough

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Obviously, I meant Bates who is 6'1, 220.

Norwood is big enough, yeah, if you're comparing him to Sidney Rice. They are pretty much carbon copies in terms of size and ability. But what Norwood is not, is a big body.(whether he plays big or not) nor does he possess the strength a big WR would have.

But again If your arguing that Norwood fills the "Rice" role in the Offense, and as Chris alluded to that the Seahawks were searching for a big "WR" until they signed Rice, my point still stands. If you're saying Norwood fits the bill as a "big" WR then why does the 6th WR automatically have to be a big WR (like according to Anthony!)

Because it doesn't, it won't, and the most logical outcome is that it will go to the best reciever regardless of stature and that's only if the Seahawks carry 6 WRs.

I'm not saying any of you are necessarily wrong but that the competition is just much broader than what some of you are trying to paint it... in that player "X" has an advantage because of size. That's what I'm really arguing.

 

[Largent80]

Bates looked good in that espn aired practice and I wouldn't write him off.

 

[General Manager]

Injury's will have a major effect on how things playout they always do.