Random thoughts on the Chargers game

[Largent80]

There is a reason for us having the 6th lowest T.O.P. in league history (17:45)...It's called not STOPPING the other team.

In those 17:45 we scored 21, I'll take that every game.

Look at the length of Seattle's touchdown drives. None consumed more than 3 minutes. Two of them lasted less than 90 seconds, and while the Seahawks did seem to spring to life in a hurry-up format, that is not the style that this team is accustomed to playing. At least not when it's winning.

You score that fast and guess what?...defense back on the field. We had a great opportunity on one drive and Unger let a player come right through the middle without even seeing him. It was, well, ugly.

You actually know a little bit about football that is surprising.

What I DO know for certain is Denver is going to get their asses kicked yet again.

And no trolls required for the ass kicking, You aren't worth anyone's time.

 

[StoneCold]

This loss is on the defense. Rivers had a career game. When every off balance, on the run throw finds a receiver it makes it very tough. Hats off to them. But anyone that says this is on the O is missing that we had the ball for 17 minutes, ran 40 plays and scored 21 points. D allowed 26 first downs and couldn't get off the field. They were their own worst enemy. And even with that we still had a chance to win.

Bring on Denver.

SC

 

[Cinnamongirl]

There is a reason for us having the 6th lowest T.O.P. in league history (17:45)...It's called not STOPPING the other team.

In those 17:45 we scored 21, I'll take that every game.

Look at the length of Seattle's touchdown drives. None consumed more than 3 minutes. Two of them lasted less than 90 seconds, and while the Seahawks did seem to spring to life in a hurry-up format, that is not the style that this team is accustomed to playing. At least not when it's winning.

You score that fast and guess what?...defense back on the field. We had a great opportunity on one drive and Unger let a player come right through the middle without even seeing him. It was, well, ugly.

You actually know a little bit about football that is surprising.

What I DO know for certain is Denver is going to get their asses kicked yet again.

And no trolls required for the ass kicking, You aren't worth anyone's time.

We will see. I would have rather seen them win I admit that. Call me a troll if you wish but I was just fighting your over egotistical fan base.

 

[Largent80]

You have been a troll on this board for months. You don't come into the main forum to discuss football but rather post exclusively in the Shack. You can't even pretend to be anything other than what you are/do.

On the football field, your team will find out how football should be played. We are 9-1 in the RW era after a loss, and undefeated at home in those games.

If you want to come here and talk football, don't come in here with a backhanded compliment to me. I grew up playing football and have been a student of the game for years.

 

[hawkfan68]

You have been a troll on this board for months. You don't come into the main forum to discuss football but rather post exclusively in the Shack. You can't even pretend to be anything other than what you are/do.

On the football field, your team will find out how football should be played. We are 9-1 in the RW era after a loss, and undefeated at home in those games.

Har dee har HAR.

L80, it's a troll... most likely it'll be gone by this time next week anyway.

 

[Largent80]

68, that troll is hangin mighty low, but a very good representation.

Lets not derail this thread. Part of that is my fault because of this "person".

Lb's stunk, O-Line was borderline stink. The heat killed us because our Lb's could not defend the short pass....Pretty simple really....17:45 of T.O.P. = Loss.

 

[hawkfan68]

68, that troll is hangin mighty low, but a very good representation.

Lets not derail this thread. Part of that is my fault because of this "person".

Lb's stunk, O-Line was borderline stink. The heat killed us because our Lb's could not defend the short pass....Pretty simple really....17:45 of T.O.P. = Loss.

LOL....Good eye, I didn't even catch that on the image. I just saw the troll and orange color...thought it was a good match.

Back to the topic, Seahawks beat themselves. Chargers played well and took advantage of the Seahawk mistakes. It was a good lesson for them. I agree the time of possession was a big reason why they lost.

 

[MeanBlueGreen]

Game was tough but we had our chances...which was great. What I don't like, and I think is far more troubling, are the things that happened after the game:

* Lynch walks away with left
* Sherman gets torched and then blows off the press conference and then sends out a stupid tweet
* Earl Thomas basically says he was hot and the Chargers got lucky

None of that is cool ...they have to check their egos at the door for the Broncos or we're going to get rolled...

 

[Largent80]

Pete just said on the radio that M.L's back had tightened up, that Sherman was "really tired" and that the heat WAS a factor.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Pete just said on the radio that M.L's back had tightened up, that Sherman was "really tired" and that the heat WAS a factor.

Yeah, a factor affecting the other team just as much as our own. Excuse for nothing.

 

[Largent80]

Whatevaz, the game is over.....Now what?

 

[twelthmanfan]

We were at the game. Let me say the 12's were out in force. Amazing turnout. The ugly part was the heat. We were in the sun the entire day and let me say, it was extremely hot. I saw at least 4 people being attended to in the concourse due to the heat. Imagine what it was on the field. Cramping up everywhere. We left in a sour mood but by the time we got home and seen the whiners score, I felt relief.

 

[Hawks46]

After watching some of the highlights in slow motion, I'm in agreeance with Kearly.

Philip Rivers is going to have MAYBE one of those games a year. Seriously, he's getting hit, and he stumbles forward, heaves up a pass (which looks like he literally shotputted it) and it floats perfectly to Gates. Gates was double covered by LBers and Rivers again shuffled forward to lob a perfect pass to Gates (there as obvious holding on that play, but hey, I guess you don't get those on the road, or against the Packers).

It does remind me of the Detroit game. I haven't seen Stafford throw that well until this year. So, Rivers burned up his elite game. Hope it helped them.

 

[Anthony!]

Also, I can't fathom people putting this on offensive play calling. The team was ridiculously efficient in their limited opps. Lynch didn't get the ball because we didn't have the ball enough and some penalties/blown up plays took the run game out of the mix.

This game was won on Rivers' ability to covert 3rd down on our defense. He's made an elite career on that, and I tip my cap to him. Would've loved to play him in typical SD conditions, but oh well, it is what it is.

Ridiculously efficient in their limited opps? The reason they had limited opportunities was because they failed to do anything with the ball on offense all but three times. Those three times they were ridiculously efficient, but were otherwise 3-9 on third and fourth down with a turnover. Ridiculous, yes. Efficient, far from it.

Dude really the offense was not the reason we lost, anyone who watched the game knows that. When you defense lets the other team hold the ball for 12 minutes in the first qtr and then 9 minutes in the 2nd qtr. That is on the Defense period.

 

[Anthony!]

I love how our D bails our O out regularly and it's just expected, but the rare times when our D needs our O to bail it out, it's Excuse Central.

Ahh this year the defense has not bailed out the O at all, not to mention even last year there were times our O bailed out our D numerous times as well. This team is supposedly built on the D so sorry they can the lions share of the blame when they are bad like they were yesterday,

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

There is a reason for us having the 6th lowest T.O.P. in league history (17:45)...It's called not STOPPING the other team.

In those 17:45 we scored 21, I'll take that every game.

Look at the length of Seattle's touchdown drives. None consumed more than 3 minutes. Two of them lasted less than 90 seconds, and while the Seahawks did seem to spring to life in a hurry-up format, that is not the style that this team is accustomed to playing. At least not when it's winning.

You score that fast and guess what?...defense back on the field. We had a great opportunity on one drive and Unger let a player come right through the middle without even seeing him. It was, well, ugly.

You actually know a little bit about football that is surprising.

What I DO know for certain is Denver is going to get their asses kicked yet again.

And no trolls required for the ass kicking, You aren't worth anyone's time.

We will see. I would have rather seen them win I admit that. Call me a troll if you wish but I was just fighting your over egotistical fan base.

Better for you and Denver that we won yesterday. I'd be prepared for it to get real ugly real fast if I were you.

 

[Anthony!]

Very good points, time of possession killed us. But the offense couldn't get a rhythm because of lack of time of possession. You add about 12-13 more. Minutes on their time of possession, and the outcome of this game is different.

They didn't earn their own time of possession, you act like time of possession was some outside force that the offense can't control. Sure, our defense gave up more of it than usual, but our offense also exited the field very quickly a number of times, too.

ahh so instead of taking the 3 tds we should have eaten more time and hoped we got them later. dumb statement

 

[themunn]

After watching some of the highlights in slow motion, I'm in agreeance with Kearly.

Philip Rivers is going to have MAYBE one of those games a year. Seriously, he's getting hit, and he stumbles forward, heaves up a pass (which looks like he literally shotputted it) and it floats perfectly to Gates. Gates was double covered by LBers and Rivers again shuffled forward to lob a perfect pass to Gates (there as obvious holding on that play, but hey, I guess you don't get those on the road, or against the Packers).

It does remind me of the Detroit game. I haven't seen Stafford throw that well until this year. So, Rivers burned up his elite game. Hope it helped them.

Not only does Rivers get hit, Bennett gets a good punch to the ball - he was lucky to hold on to it - if he didn't have it firmly secured that was a guaranteed FF

 

[Anthony!]

Pete has won us a lot of games before with conservative decisions in these exact kinds of situations. And it's not just Pete, going for the safe yardage on 3rd and 19 or avoiding a suicidal 4th down with plenty of time left on the clock in a one score game is NFL coaching 101.

Although I appreciate and respect your positive outlook/analysis I do disagree with some of what you and others have said in support of our Offensive play calling and decisions. Considering Lynch had 6 carries compared to the Chargers running the ball 37 times... we made no attempt to help our defense stay off the scorching hot field by slowing the game down with our dominant run game.

I think we called a very poor game offensively and although 7.2 Yards Per Play sounds great we must remember it was against the Chargers and their defense is terrible. The Cardinals went 6.2 Yards Per Play against the Chargers in Week 1 which is higher than what we would of had if you just subtract that one play where Harvin stepped out of bounds (we would of had 6.1 Yards Per Play if that play was simply erased from the records).

However the Cardinals ran the ball 26 times allowing them to win the time of possession against the Chargers even though they lost the turnover battle 2-1. I don't see any reason why we couldn't run the ball as well to make at least a slight attempt to keep our Defense off the field when they were mightily struggling all day.

I don't want to get too much more into the details but I think statistically we would of had a much higher chance to win the game going for it on 4th and 2 considering the Chargers had 24 First Downs at that point. We had a less than 50% chance to prevent the Chargers from scoring a Field Goal based on how the game went (they scored on 6/10 drives overall). Even if we did get the ball back it was unlikely to be on the 36 yard line which I consider pretty good field position compared to where we ended up on the 11 yard line.

Last season the Seahawks converted 6/11 (54%) of 4th downs even though our Offensive Line had a bunch of backups and Harvin was injured.

Last season the Broncos converted 8/9 (89%) of 4th downs. The Chargers were over 83%, the Panthers were almost 77%, Packers 69%, Cowboys 67%...

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/4th-down-efficiency/2013/

If you guys really don't think we could convert a 4th and 2 when we have arguably 3 of the best offensive play makers in the league (Wilson, Harvin, Lynch) when the Carolina Panthers went 10/13 on 4th down last season???

That's just sad how little faith some of you have in our offense, if our Defense was playing well I could totally understand but they were getting spanked. I think if you just took all the previous statistics from how this game had went up till that point we would have a MUCH higher chance to win the game going for it on 4th and 2 than punting. We weren't gonna get a better opportunity than that unless we got extremely lucky, and we didn't this time.

I am fairly certain that Wilson was crushed by not getting a chance to win the game on that 4th and 2, punting it back in a game where our Defense was getting owned all day when we are nearly mid field with amazing play makers at our disposal???

All of this is really good discussion though, I just wanted to throw in my opinion for our offense here.

I agree we should have gone on 4th and 2, but they did not and still had other chances, if the D gets hits head together and if the O-lien learns to pass block.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Pete just said on the radio that M.L's back had tightened up, that Sherman was "really tired" and that the heat WAS a factor.

Yeah, a factor affecting the other team just as much as our own. Excuse for nothing.

The heat was only a factor because the defense couldn't stop a 3rd down conversion so couldn't get of the field. Hence the start of a viscious cycle that culminated in allowing San Diego to have the ball for 42:15. Which then allowed the heat to take effect. Basically it was on the defense not the weather because if the defense had done their job the weather would have been irrelevant.