Random thoughts on the Denver preseason game

[The Radish]

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[seedhawk]

I think the Pryor thing may end up being the most interesting decision facing PC this off-season. He isn't good enough to beat T-Jack. Right now, T-Jack could win a playoff game. Pryor could not. In my mind, T-Jack has to be QB2, and it would be kind of infuriating to me if they dropped him for Pryor. That being said, Pryor has some upside as the QB2 OTF. He's not there yet, but maybe in a year. With a weak roster, I'd definitely say keep him on as QB3 and develop him. But on this roster? Tough question. Someone good will have to be cut; not sure if PC is willing to make that sacrifice for a guy whose ceiling is a career back-up.

Pryor is an FA after this year.

Which is exactly why the decision will be difficult.

 

[DavidSeven]

I think the Pryor thing may end up being the most interesting decision facing PC this off-season. He isn't good enough to beat T-Jack. Right now, T-Jack could win a playoff game. Pryor could not. In my mind, T-Jack has to be QB2, and it would be kind of infuriating to me if they dropped him for Pryor. That being said, Pryor has some upside as the QB2 OTF. He's not there yet, but maybe in a year. With a weak roster, I'd definitely say keep him on as QB3 and develop him. But on this roster? Tough question. Someone good will have to be cut; not sure if PC is willing to make that sacrifice for a guy whose ceiling is a career back-up.

Pryor is an FA after this year.

Yeah, I'm aware. However, if they think he has upside as a future QB2, then they'll want to develop him over the year within their system and re-sign him. If he is cut and signs somewhere else, he is more likely to re-sign with that club next off-season.

 

[rideaducati]

Watching Pryor in this game felt like watching an alternate universe Seahawks team that drafted Kaepernick in 2011.

Uh-huh. I remarked several times during the game that he looked like a poor-man's Russell Wilson. He had the patented spin and run move down, but as soon as he did that, he lost all vision down field, pretty much like Kaepernick. I'm glad he got so much playing time, but for now he's third on the depth chart, and quite easily, at least for me.

I don't see Pryor as "quite easily" the third QB. I saw an 85 yard drive at the end of the game that I doubt Tarvaris would be able to do. Pryor has intrigue. He seems like a guy that could lead this team to 12-4 or 4-12, but at least the 12 wins are possible. Tarvaris would lead this team to 8-8 or 9-7. He's not good enough to win more. I hope to see a lot more of Pryor.

 

[Tical21]

Watched the first half one more time for fun.

Alvin Bailey looks like a starting LT in pass pro. Good feet, good hands, was in total control. Looked better than I thought in the run game. Didn't get a ton of movement, but stayed engaged well.

Britt has some Breno in him. Body looks similar. Good hands, bad feet. He's going to give up some pressure on the outside that he just simply can't get to. Showed pretty well in the run game, but wasn't quite quick enough to cutoff the backside a few times.

Mayowa got nowhere. Schofield got nowhere in the first half either. He must have feasted on a young guy in the second half, but he got no pressure in the first half.

There was a chasm between the amount of penetration Mebane got in relation to anybody else inside.

I hadn't notice before, but D'Anthony Smith flashed on the screen and got some nice interior pressure a few times.

Marsh and Scruggs got manhandled when they were playing DT together. That experiment didn't last long in the first half.

 

[TwilightError]

These random thoughts by Kearly are the best single thing on this forum, even if no one ever agrees with every sentiment.

Believe me Kearly, for every ounce of disrespect, there is a ton of respect for what you are doing in here.

 

[DavidSeven]

I don't see Pryor as "quite easily" the third QB. I saw an 85 yard drive at the end of the game that I doubt Tarvaris would be able to do.

That's a bit of a strange thought to me. You doubt this despite the fact that Tarvaris led multiple TD drives last preseason, led a TD drive in the regular season, and exhibited far more poise and command than Pryor against better competition in Denver? What do you happen to be basing this line of thinking on? Clutchness? At the end of the day, Pryor's drive ended in an INT. Lot of ifs and buts, but still.

 

[themunn]

Watching Pryor in this game felt like watching an alternate universe Seahawks team that drafted Kaepernick in 2011.

Uh-huh. I remarked several times during the game that he looked like a poor-man's Russell Wilson. He had the patented spin and run move down, but as soon as he did that, he lost all vision down field, pretty much like Kaepernick. I'm glad he got so much playing time, but for now he's third on the depth chart, and quite easily, at least for me.

I don't see Pryor as "quite easily" the third QB. I saw an 85 yard drive at the end of the game that I doubt Tarvaris would be able to do. Pryor has intrigue. He seems like a guy that could lead this team to 12-4 or 4-12, but at least the 12 wins are possible. Tarvaris would lead this team to 8-8 or 9-7. He's not good enough to win more. I hope to see a lot more of Pryor.

To put Jackson's 2011 season in perspective, imagine Lynch was out for the first 7 games of the 2013 season and Turbin played (Lynch 6 of the first 7 games in 2011, averaging 12.3 carries per game, 43.8 yards and 3.6 YPC). Now imagine Wilson left the Colts game injured and missed the Titans game, then came back and played with an injured pectoral against the Cardinals, Bucs, Vikings, and Falcons (that he never fully recovered from). We can correctly assume that with Whitehurst at QB we lose the Titans game.

How many wins do you think we would have managed? Texans? Panthers? Cardinals? Bucs? They're all losses due to the lack of running game/injury to the QB.

Jackson isn't anywhere near as bad as you think - for one thing we wouldn't have had to rush back Wilson last year and make him play through injury if Jackson was the backup compared to Whitehurst

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

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Alvin Bailey looks like a starting LT in pass pro. Good feet, good hands, was in total control. Looked better than I thought in the run game. Didn't get a ton of movement, but stayed engaged well......

What about Bailey at RT then, at least until the inevitable Okung injury and while Britt gets his feet under him? I hate to see a decent o-lineman just sitting waiting for Okung's next injury. Got a feeling this is what we will see after Okung gets back.

 

[volsunghawk]

Going back to the long XP issue...

I know this might be unpopular, but I really like the idea of doing something to modify the XP. I hate that it's essentially a non-play. The only play less competitive is the kneeldown. It's boring and adds nothing to the game. The ONLY time it's remotely interesting is when it goes awry, which happens less than 1% of the time. What value does that add to the game in any way?

Moving it out may not be the best answer, but at least it adds an element of difficulty that wasn't there before, and it makes the 2-point play - which is LOADS more entertaining and competitive - a much more attractive option to coaches. The only other option I see is to eliminate the XP and the 2-point play altogether and just make TDs worth 7 points.

 

[WendellWent]

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Alvin Bailey looks like a starting LT in pass pro. Good feet, good hands, was in total control. Looked better than I thought in the run game. Didn't get a ton of movement, but stayed engaged well......

What about Bailey at RT then, at least until the inevitable Okung injury and while Britt gets his feet under him? I hate to see a decent o-lineman just sitting waiting for Okung's next injury. Got a feeling this is what we will see after Okung gets back.

Two words: Tackle eligible.

 

[Russ Willstrong]

They should compromise and move Xpoint kick back to 10 yd line making this a 27 yd straight kick.
Other option is make all PAT worth 2 points. Keep the ball at the 3 yd line but move kicks to the hash marks and let the kicker decide which hash mark. The angle is challenging from that short distance. Leave 2pt run/pass conversions as is.

 

[pehawk]

Keary....this place needs your random thoughts posts, period. It's what a lot of posters, and lurkers like myself, look forward to. Not for your insight alone, but the others that piggyback off of these posts. The dude with Al Bundy as his avatar seems to only posts via replies, and he's a VERY smart and underrated poster.

After any game I look for your random thoughts posts....first thing. These posts are as much a part of my personal fandom as Sunday Ticket is. It's a tradition and key cog in the community.

XOXO,

Derreck Fenner

 

[OkieHawk]

Keary....this place needs your random thoughts posts, period. It's what a lot of posters, and lurkers like myself, look forward to. Not for your insight alone, but the others that piggyback off of these posts. The dude with Al Bundy as his avatar seems to only posts via replies, and he's a VERY smart and underrated poster.

After any game I look for your random thoughts posts....first thing. These posts are as much a part of my personal fandom as Sunday Ticket is. It's a tradition and key cog in the community.

XOXO,

Derreck Fenner

Did we just witness a ghost!? Good to see your post Pe. :thirishdrinkers:

 

[Throwdown]

I miss you 'round here, guy with geoduck picture

xoxoxo Maurice Mann

 

[Sgt. Largent]

They should compromise and move Xpoint kick back to 10 yd line making this a 27 yd straight kick.
Other option is make all PAT worth 2 points. Keep the ball at the 3 yd line but move kicks to the hash marks and let the kicker decide which hash mark. The angle is challenging from that short distance. Leave 2pt run/pass conversions as is.

I don't get the logic with moving the extra point back? To me it's always been a 1 pt reward for scoring a TD, so it's not suppose to be hard.

Here's what's going to happen if it ever gets moved back, coaches, owners and fans are going to freak the f$%! out the first time one of their teams drives down the field and ties or gets within 1 pt of the game with a TD in the closing moments............and as everyone's dancing around their living rooms and sidelines thinking the extra point is going to be made, it'll be missed or blocked. Then watch the mother burn.

 

[WendellWent]

They should compromise and move Xpoint kick back to 10 yd line making this a 27 yd straight kick.
Other option is make all PAT worth 2 points. Keep the ball at the 3 yd line but move kicks to the hash marks and let the kicker decide which hash mark. The angle is challenging from that short distance. Leave 2pt run/pass conversions as is.

I don't get the logic with moving the extra point back? To me it's always been a 1 pt reward for scoring a TD, so it's not suppose to be hard.

Here's what's going to happen if it ever gets moved back, coaches, owners and fans are going to freak the f$%! out the first time one of their teams drives down the field and ties or gets within 1 pt of the game with a TD in the closing moments............and as everyone's dancing around their living rooms and sidelines thinking the extra point is going to be made, it'll be missed or blocked. Then watch the mother burn.

The play hasn't always been guaranteed points. Before kickers became specialists, it was just as likely to see a miss as it was to see it made.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

They should compromise and move Xpoint kick back to 10 yd line making this a 27 yd straight kick.
Other option is make all PAT worth 2 points. Keep the ball at the 3 yd line but move kicks to the hash marks and let the kicker decide which hash mark. The angle is challenging from that short distance. Leave 2pt run/pass conversions as is.

I don't get the logic with moving the extra point back? To me it's always been a 1 pt reward for scoring a TD, so it's not suppose to be hard.

Here's what's going to happen if it ever gets moved back, coaches, owners and fans are going to freak the f$%! out the first time one of their teams drives down the field and ties or gets within 1 pt of the game with a TD in the closing moments............and as everyone's dancing around their living rooms and sidelines thinking the extra point is going to be made, it'll be missed or blocked. Then watch the mother burn.

The play hasn't always been guaranteed points. Before kickers became specialists, it was just as likely to see a miss as it was to see it made.

I'm 45, and I never remembered a time where it was a 50/50 proposition. Maybe in like the 50's it wasn't as automatic, but it's been almost at 100% for a LONG LONG time.

Again, I just don't see why this is a popular idea. It's an idea that sounds exciting on paper............until your team misses an extra point to lose a game, or worse playoff or SB.

 

[Anthony!]

Watching Pryor in this game felt like watching an alternate universe Seahawks team that drafted Kaepernick in 2011.

Uh-huh. I remarked several times during the game that he looked like a poor-man's Russell Wilson. He had the patented spin and run move down, but as soon as he did that, he lost all vision down field, pretty much like Kaepernick. I'm glad he got so much playing time, but for now he's third on the depth chart, and quite easily, at least for me.

I don't see Pryor as "quite easily" the third QB. I saw an 85 yard drive at the end of the game that I doubt Tarvaris would be able to do. Pryor has intrigue. He seems like a guy that could lead this team to 12-4 or 4-12, but at least the 12 wins are possible. Tarvaris would lead this team to 8-8 or 9-7. He's not good enough to win more. I hope to see a lot more of Pryor.

Pryor has not chance of leading this team to 12-4, none at all. He is a career 56% complt% and in his first game with us against 3rd stringers he was 56%. I have no doubt Rw would have scored on that 85 yard drive and TJ would have at least gotten us a FG. Neither would have thrown the INT. Pryor to me is a waste of a roster spot, and if any other team is willing to give him a shot to compete for a starting position he will be gone.

 

[Anthony!]

I don't see the big negatives with Pryor.

He threw a bad pass at the end. Time was running out and he forced it. Otherwise, I thought he played fine. Many other quarterbacks would have likely taken sacks from this bad offensive line. Pryor made positive plays out of nothing. Given time to throw, he was more accurate than I anticipated he would be.

56% is more accurate?