Revisiting the fail mary: TD or INT?

[Thepeelsessions]

If you watch the super slow-mo, zoomed in version...you can see that the ball hits Tate's left hand first and doesn't move. He catches it one-handed. The ball never moves. The db wraps his hands around the ball and Tate's left hand and they go to the ground, with Tate's two feet hitting the ground first.

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When they come out of the pile, the ball is still in Tate's left hand.

It was a catch, and called absolutely correctly.

I still refer people to this whenever this debate is brought up: http://www.footballnation.com/conte...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Yep. Tate clearly caught the ball with his left hand a split second before Jennings gets his hands on it, meaning Tate caught it first, so it wasn't simultaneous. And I don't know where people get the notion that having two feet down inbounds is irrelevant. Facts are facts. Two feet does matter.

http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl ... g-a-catch/

 

[chris98251]

Don't see the point of discussing this at all, Tate not here, game is in the long past.

 

[Maulbert]

This is stupid, the play happened 4 1/2 years ago. Cheddarheads bring it up enough for everyone. We don't need to dredge up the past like Whiner fans.

 

[Basis4day]

Whats always bothered me is how everyone tried to pretend it was an obvious call in real time the second they saw it when asked about it after the game and numerous replays.

Mike Tirico yelled "Simultaneous, who has it ?!? Then Gruden started gushing over Wilson.
Are these the reactions of an obvious interception?

10 minutes later everyone starts talking the tragedy that befell the Packers.

Say whatever you want about the replay and what the correct call was,
but it was not that clear the moment it happened.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Michaels saying "simulatenous possession, who has it?" complicated matters as well as comments like "Jennings looks like he has more of the ball than Tate". Idiots

It was Mike Tirico.

 

[vin.couve12]

:2thumbs:

My feeling is that if no one can agree even years later then there's no right or wrong answer.

If it was ruled an interception we would have been weeping in our beers complaining about how we got jobbed but the reality is that its too close to tell. But since it was the other way around well then...too bad so sad!!

No, replay clearly shows whose feet hit the ground first. That is reality. This is why facts matter.

:2thumbs:

 

[seahawksny]

Don't see the point of discussing this at all, Tate not here, game is in the long past.

You're right
On the other hand... ever notice how the officiating has gotten progressively WORSE since this moment?
This ended a lockout, but began a period that has become very convoluted..

No team can clearly win a game based on the merit of its play.. teams win big games now because the refs "blew calls."

Bullshit

 

[seahawksny]

Michaels saying "simulatenous possession, who has it?" complicated matters as well as comments like "Jennings looks like he has more of the ball than Tate". Idiots

It was Mike Tirico.

true
Imagine if Michaels called that game? God help us

 

[Foghawk]

Meh, we won. I remember how smug AR looked at the beginning of that game, and yet this picture lives on the internet forever. Good enough for me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yet, when the precious Green Bay Packers get a hail mary on a BLATANT push off, not a word is said.
Hawks do it, and the world freaks out.

 

[Thepeelsessions]

This is stupid, the play happened 4 1/2 years ago. Cheddarheads bring it up enough for everyone. We don't need to dredge up the past like Whiner fans.

Ease up, grumpy. It's a part of this teams history. It gets brought up just like the Hawks SB losses do. And just like any other defining moment in Seahawks lore. If you don't feel like discussing it, then don't bother piping in

 

[seahawksny]

Yet, when the precious Green Bay Packers get a hail mary on a BLATANT push off, not a word is said.
Hawks do it, and the world freaks out.

Reason is simple.
Theirs ended the half. Ours ended game.

We live in a world where the only play that matters is the last play of the game. It's a flawed,perversion of reality.

Whether it's a no call..

Seattle/atlanta this year.
Seattle/green bay 2012.

Or a play call...
Super bowl 49.

Or lack of execution.....
Minnesota missed kick last year


Doesnt matter. Game is played for 60 minutes and is NOT decided on one play.

These cheese heads who don't say anything, are bLind to this fact. Just as the falcon fans are won didn't see the blatant chop to shermans head at the beginning of that play.

Just as are the viking fans last year who if asked how many games did Minny win when AP ran for less than 30 yards? I would assume.. NONE!!!

You make a good point, it's the result of how idiotic most NFL fans are.

Green bay also won the game so of course they claim it's irrelevant.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But certain teams get a pass, period. I just find it humorous

 

[seahawksny]

But certain teams get a pass, period. I just find it humorous

Exactly
The haters think that team is seattle. Reality is that every team gets their share a good calls and bad calls

 

[irocdave]

The push off by Tate was so obvious most people thought it would be called. The TD catch wasn't as obvious and the D back had put himself in the most clear position of all the players on the field to cleanly catch the ball. However, Tate got his hand in there and controlled the ball before the D back and came down with two feet, in control of the ball before the D back did. If you set aside the completely obvious shove in the back by Tate, and watched the reception in slow motion it was a hawks TD. Yes, the media totally missed the point about this play. The real issue wasn't the catch, it should have been the shove before the catch. Same as the batted ball out of the endzone versus the lions last year. Same as the non call against Sherman for mugging Jones this year verse Atlanta. I know the counter responses to each of these because I am a hawks fan. Every one of these penalties occurred at the end of the game and were obvious game deciding non calls. What the media relies on is that no one besides the fans of each team notice the obvious non called or incorrectly called penalties before the no time left in the game non calls. Just so happens that these non calls are very similar to calls or non calls against the hawks that occurred not more than 10 game minutes prior to the questionable officiating at the very end of the game.

It's like Jordan rules. The NFL just needs to call the game even from start to finish. Hawks have been screwed as many or more by these calls as they have been on the receiving end of them. The media needs to get their shit straight and preach about all the bad calls and the impact they have on each and every game.

 

[Foghawk]

The media needs to get their shit straight and preach about all the bad calls and the impact they have on each and every game.

:lol:

Well we know that won't happen, that's not what gets clicks and viewers.

 

[seahawksny]

The media needs to get their shit straight and preach about all the bad calls and the impact they have on each and every game.

:lol:

Well we know that won't happen, that's not what gets clicks and viewers.

Or lack thereof

 

[253hawk]

it's totally irrelevant that Tate's feet hit the ground first...Look through the NFL rulebook and casebook. I am not wrong.

Correct.

You're not wrong, but it completely goes against what the NFL considers 'the process of a catch' during any other regular reception. You need control of the ball, two feet/one knee, and maintain possession to the ground. By the time Tate had all three, Jennings still only had two. If one of Jennings' toes had touched the back line while he was coming down, it would have been incomplete and we would have lost.

Simultaneous possession is just one of those things that comes up so rarely that the NFL has never bothered to fix details on it.