So, what exactly has Baalk done? I have not been impressed with his work as GM of the 49ers. He's not the worst GM out there for sure, but I find his work to be very underwhelming the last few years. He's found some good players, but he's also had some very ugly drafts, and him and York are also responsible for the Harbaugh debacle.Marvin49":11i2w9xj said:BIG SHOCKER: BS List.
Baalke at 18? LOL.
Dude drops 13 spots because they fired Harbaugh? RIIIGHT.
Elway at 5!?! Jerry Jones at 16!?!
Have to agree with Kearly...list based almost entirely on the right nbow and not on anything on their resume. I'm sure peeps will argue that Baalke is where he should be but come on...Elway? Jones!?!
Spin Doctor":1wlmh24v said:So, what exactly has Baalk done? I have not been impressed with his work as GM of the 49ers. He's not the worst GM out there for sure, but I find his work to be very underwhelming the last few years. He's found some good players, but he's also had some very ugly drafts, and him and York are also responsible for the Harbaugh debacle.Marvin49":1wlmh24v said:BIG SHOCKER: BS List.
Baalke at 18? LOL.
Dude drops 13 spots because they fired Harbaugh? RIIIGHT.
Elway at 5!?! Jerry Jones at 16!?!
Have to agree with Kearly...list based almost entirely on the right nbow and not on anything on their resume. I'm sure peeps will argue that Baalke is where he should be but come on...Elway? Jones!?!
Marvin49":3o0qu9h6 said:BIG SHOCKER: BS List.
Baalke at 18? LOL.
Dude drops 13 spots because they fired Harbaugh? RIIIGHT.
Elway at 5!?! Jerry Jones at 16!?!
Have to agree with Kearly...list based almost entirely on the right nbow and not on anything on their resume. I'm sure peeps will argue that Baalke is where he should be but come on...Elway? Jones!?!
Ummm, Marvin, JS's team has won a Super Bowl and if it were not for a bonehead play call by his OC would have won 2 in a row.Marvin49":14agrt02 said:Criticism of Baalke cracks me up. How has Schneider done the last couple years?
Marvin49":1jeuut8c said:Spin Doctor":1jeuut8c said:So, what exactly has Baalk done? I have not been impressed with his work as GM of the 49ers. He's not the worst GM out there for sure, but I find his work to be very underwhelming the last few years. He's found some good players, but he's also had some very ugly drafts, and him and York are also responsible for the Harbaugh debacle.Marvin49":1jeuut8c said:BIG SHOCKER: BS List.
Baalke at 18? LOL.
Dude drops 13 spots because they fired Harbaugh? RIIIGHT.
Elway at 5!?! Jerry Jones at 16!?!
Have to agree with Kearly...list based almost entirely on the right nbow and not on anything on their resume. I'm sure peeps will argue that Baalke is where he should be but come on...Elway? Jones!?!
ONE ugly draft. 2012. We are about to find out with 2013 and 2014. 2010 was really good (Davis, Iupati, Bowman). 2011 was really good (Aldon, Kap, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller).
2013 got them Pro Bowl safety in Reid and several guys who are about to get a shot. 2014 looks even more promising with Ward, Hyde, Martin, and Lynch. Would have looked even better if Borland doesn't retire.
Criticism of Baalke cracks me up. How has Schneider done the last couple years? Any real difference makers? Didn't he give up a 1, a 3, a 7, and a ton of cash for Percy Harvin? Now he just gave up a pro bowl center and a first round pick for a TE? Does that make him a bad GM?
No, he's among the best in the league. You don't hit them all out of the park. Graham may be a great move or a horrible move. We'll see. I had my doubts with Harvin and I have them again with Graham.
mikeak":1k12k87x said:If Bellicheck had a GM that he worked with like PC and JS then he would have another couple of superbowls.
Meh is not the best GM out there but his coaching genius and one if the best QBs to ever play the game makes up for his short comings as GM.
rideaducati":1wnrv878 said:Marvin49":1wnrv878 said:Spin Doctor":1wnrv878 said:So, what exactly has Baalk done? I have not been impressed with his work as GM of the 49ers. He's not the worst GM out there for sure, but I find his work to be very underwhelming the last few years. He's found some good players, but he's also had some very ugly drafts, and him and York are also responsible for the Harbaugh debacle.Marvin49":1wnrv878 said:BIG SHOCKER: BS List.
Baalke at 18? LOL.
Dude drops 13 spots because they fired Harbaugh? RIIIGHT.
Elway at 5!?! Jerry Jones at 16!?!
Have to agree with Kearly...list based almost entirely on the right nbow and not on anything on their resume. I'm sure peeps will argue that Baalke is where he should be but come on...Elway? Jones!?!
ONE ugly draft. 2012. We are about to find out with 2013 and 2014. 2010 was really good (Davis, Iupati, Bowman). 2011 was really good (Aldon, Kap, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller).
2013 got them Pro Bowl safety in Reid and several guys who are about to get a shot. 2014 looks even more promising with Ward, Hyde, Martin, and Lynch. Would have looked even better if Borland doesn't retire.
Criticism of Baalke cracks me up. How has Schneider done the last couple years? Any real difference makers? Didn't he give up a 1, a 3, a 7, and a ton of cash for Percy Harvin? Now he just gave up a pro bowl center and a first round pick for a TE? Does that make him a bad GM?
No, he's among the best in the league. You don't hit them all out of the park. Graham may be a great move or a horrible move. We'll see. I had my doubts with Harvin and I have them again with Graham.
I think you're overrating the 2011 draft Marvin. Besides Aldon, there ain't much there. Congrats to Baalke on not mucking up the 7th pick in the draft, character concerns aside. Keeporpick looked good before everyone figured him out and hasn't done much since. The other guys are gone, about to be gone, a never was, and a fullback. They got starting time, but none of them did enough to earn a second contract from the niners.
As far as what Schneider has done the last couple years? He re-signed players he drafted and watched his team play in back to back Super Bowl's.
Baalke walked into a team that was already there and the more players he has to replace, the further down the niners fall.
Schneider has two players that were on the roster before he was hired, so we KNOW that Schneider can build a team from nothing to being a Super Bowl winner.
chris98251":28il2mk4 said:mikeak":28il2mk4 said:If Bellicheck had a GM that he worked with like PC and JS then he would have another couple of superbowls.
Meh is not the best GM out there but his coaching genius and one if the best QBs to ever play the game makes up for his short comings as GM.
He is a good coach, but a lot of his stuff comes at pushing rule limits and sportsmanship, he is to good to have to stoop to that and his legacy will be tarnished due to it.
rideaducati":3g4hcljt said:I think you're overrating the 2011 draft Marvin. Besides Aldon, there ain't much there.
Popeyejones":wbip3zdu said:rideaducati":wbip3zdu said:I think you're overrating the 2011 draft Marvin. Besides Aldon, there ain't much there.
:lol:
You can either argue that a team is already stacked, or argue that nabbing four starters in one draft isn't a good draft, but you can't do both.
RichNhansom":y47qbnvs said:rideaducati":y47qbnvs said:Marvin49":y47qbnvs said:Spin Doctor":y47qbnvs said:So, what exactly has Baalk done? I have not been impressed with his work as GM of the 49ers. He's not the worst GM out there for sure, but I find his work to be very underwhelming the last few years. He's found some good players, but he's also had some very ugly drafts, and him and York are also responsible for the Harbaugh debacle.
ONE ugly draft. 2012. We are about to find out with 2013 and 2014. 2010 was really good (Davis, Iupati, Bowman). 2011 was really good (Aldon, Kap, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller).
2013 got them Pro Bowl safety in Reid and several guys who are about to get a shot. 2014 looks even more promising with Ward, Hyde, Martin, and Lynch. Would have looked even better if Borland doesn't retire.
Criticism of Baalke cracks me up. How has Schneider done the last couple years? Any real difference makers? Didn't he give up a 1, a 3, a 7, and a ton of cash for Percy Harvin? Now he just gave up a pro bowl center and a first round pick for a TE? Does that make him a bad GM?
No, he's among the best in the league. You don't hit them all out of the park. Graham may be a great move or a horrible move. We'll see. I had my doubts with Harvin and I have them again with Graham.
I think you're overrating the 2011 draft Marvin. Besides Aldon, there ain't much there. Congrats to Baalke on not mucking up the 7th pick in the draft, character concerns aside. Keeporpick looked good before everyone figured him out and hasn't done much since. The other guys are gone, about to be gone, a never was, and a fullback. They got starting time, but none of them did enough to earn a second contract from the niners.
As far as what Schneider has done the last couple years? He re-signed players he drafted and watched his team play in back to back Super Bowl's.
Baalke walked into a team that was already there and the more players he has to replace, the further down the niners fall.
Schneider has two players that were on the roster before he was hired, so we KNOW that Schneider can build a team from nothing to being a Super Bowl winner.
The 2011 draft board was also built with Mclouhan on staff. The 2012 draft was the first draft for Baalke and that was a disaster.
Marvin I know you want to list Ward, Hyde, Martin, and Lynch as sure fire locks for the HOF but you can't really do that and in the same paragragh and question if Schneider has found any different makers that last couple of drafts. You were one of the guys arguing a couple years ago that the talent Baalke drafted was being held back by all the talent on the field. Now suddenly you don't recognize that?
Christine Michael is behind Lynch but has flashed as much as Hyde. Hill, Simon and Bowe have given good reason to believe they can become starters and possibly difference makes but of that draft the one that stands out to me is Luke Willson. Remember him? He was the one out performing your second round TE that your 18th ranked GM moved ahead of us to grab (getting the rong Rice TE) and allowed us to sit back until the 5th to take. That is a blunder of epic proportion right there.
Paul Richardson looks like a definite difference maker if he can stay healthy. He was coming on strong before getting injured last year. Britt and Marsh both look like very good picks and Norwood is still here as is Louis.
We will now really start seeing what Baalke is capable of or lack there of but so far he really only has question marks on some guys that have shown potential. Like said above, Schneider has proven he can build a super bowl caliber roster from the ground up.
Sports Hernia":1ugpnbvu said:Ummm, Marvin, JS's team has won a Super Bowl and if it were not for a bonehead play call by his OC would have won 2 in a row.Marvin49":1ugpnbvu said:Criticism of Baalke cracks me up. How has Schneider done the last couple years?
That is what JS done.
Spin away..........
rideaducati":3rskm8lc said:Hunter can not be considered a good pick by anyone outside of his immediate family. Most niner fans don't even like that pick.